Sexual deviant's flag flown over State Capitol

Rufusrepublican said:

America. The Gay disco!

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Isreal is still a foreign country.

Rufusrepublican said:

Israel isn't foriegn. You are everything that is wrong about this country.

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Look up the meaning of the word foreign. And learn how to spell it.

Lisa said:

Why does it seem that LGBT having equal rights is deeply upsetting to you? Should they be 2nd class citizens because of the sexuality or gender?

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He's so far back in the closet, he's in Narnia.

Rufusrepublican said:

Israel isn't foriegn. You are everything that is wrong about this country.

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johnwk said:

Why on earth is a flag representing sexual deviants being flown over a state capitol and pro-life banners not being flown on government property?

See: Evers orders gay pride flag to fly over Wisconsin Capitol

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Gov. Tony Evers has ordered a rainbow flag symbolizing gay pride to be flown over the Wisconsin state Capitol for the first time.

JWK

The Equality Act attempts to pass legislation authorized under the “Equal Rights Amendment” which was rejected by the American people, and thus, to this degree, is a usurpation of power not granted.

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Gay pride isn't a polical stance. Anti-abortionists are promoting their religious and intolerance. One is inclusive, the other is divisive. One is an invitation to celebrate life, family, and the meaning of love, and the other demands that women be stripped of their rights based on fundamentalist right wing Christian beliefs.

That's why.

CLAX1911 said:

Yes Isreal is foreign. People knowing facts is what is wrong with this country?

Do you think before you type?

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Obviously not.

Dragonlady said:

Anti-abortionists are promoting their religious and intolerance.

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we should be intolerant of sleeping with children and killing your children regardless of our religion.

Dragonlady said:

One is an invitation to celebrate life,

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Gay pride?? Liberal have killed love and family and created the school to prison rape pipeline. Too bad gay pride is part of the liberal agenda to break down love and family, the primary social structure in the centuries that made American great, to make room for anti American agenda. Liberal agenda has metastasizd to the point where a kid in more likely to come home from school today in support of gays than straights. Straight pride and culture is whats needed in America.

James972 said:

Gay pride?? Liberal have killed love and family and created the school to prison rape pipeline. Too bad gay pride is part of the liberal agenda to break down love and family, the primary social structure in the centuries that made American great, to make room for anti American agenda. Liberal agenda has metastasizd to the point where a kid in more likely to come home from school today in support of gays than straights. Straight pride and culture is whats needed in America.

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PSST!! Hey Jamsie. More than 90% of Americans are straight. Straight pride is shown every single day 51 weeks of the year. You can't allow the gays 1 week out of 52, to celebrate their culture? Are you really that insecure about your masculinity?

We've had gay marriage in Canada for nearly 20 years and you know what's different about straight life in Canada today? I know several same sex married couples. As a straight woman who has never felt any attraction for women in my entire life, that's the only difference it's made in my life. It hasn't made any difference for straight men either. In fact, Canadians think that Americans are behaving like total idiots around the entire issue of gay marriage.

But I do know that gay marriage has had an enormous impact on the lives of my gay friends. 17 years ago, I was introduced to a young athlete who had just won the title of Canadian Jr. Men's Figure Skating Champion. In Canada, that's a HUGE deal, and it immediately confers on you the crown of the "Next One". At that time, it also required that Eric stay in the closet. That he was gay was known by Skate Canada, and the Canadian figure skating "family" - skaters, coaches, parents, but not discussed away from family. Unless a gay person outs themselves, we don't do it for them. Eric didn't "out" himself publically, until the run up to Socchi. He did so, knowing that being gay in Russia, could get him arrested, and he did it anyway. Eric went to Socchi as the defending World Pairs Champion, with his Pairs partner, Meagan Duhamel, and came home with the Olympic Silver Medal in the team event, which they helped secure with their win in the Pairs Short Program. And in Korea, Duhamel & Radford lead the team to the Olympic Gold Medal, and picked up a bronze medal in the Pairs event to complete their set. Two weeks ago, this incredible athlete married his fiance, Luis Fenero, in a lavish wedding in Spain. None of which has had any affect on you or I whatsoever, but what an amazing thing for Eric and for Luis.




Straight idiots always think that gays are trying to lure their children into gay relationships, or "turn them gay". They're not. Gay does not equal pedophile. Most pedophiles are overwhelmingly straight men, going after little girls.

Angel said:

The Question

This thread has wandered far afield.

The question raised by the Original Post in this thread concerns a FLAG.

Specifically the flying of that flag over a state building.

The flag in question is the LGBT Rainbow Flag, pictured here:

The Original Poster objects to the flying of that flag over a state building.

Now, if you disagree with the Original Poster, if you have no objection to flying the LGBT flag over a state building, do you feel likewise about flying this flag over a state building?

Please Note:

If your objection is based on the fact that the Confederate Flag is offensive to many people, the same applies to the LGBT Flag.

So how do you avoid the hypocrisy of a double standard and distinguish between the two cases?

That is the question.​

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Flying the symbol of a treasonous and racist regime is a choice.

Being gay is not a choice.

There is no equivalence, and you trying to create one says more about you than anything else.

Tigerace117 said:

Flying the symbol of a treasonous and racist regime is a choice.

Being gay is not a choice.

There is no equivalence, and you trying to create one says more about you than anything else.

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As your incoherent reply says as much about you as we need to know.
The comparison is between two flag displays, not between a flag display and a sexual preference. You are confused.
The point of comparison is that both flags are offensive to some portion of the citizenry. Personally I find neither flag offensive and would like to see both flying from state houses without controversy.

What I do find offensive is people who don't understand what they read but who are quick to criticize based on their misunderstanding.

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As your incoherent reply says as much about you as we need to know.
The comparison is between two flag displays, not between a flag display and a sexual preference. You are confused.
The point of comparison is that both flags are offensive to some portion of the citizenry. Personally I find neither flag offensive and would like to see both flying from state houses without controversy.

What I do find offensive is people who don't understand what they read but who are quick to criticize based on their misunderstanding.

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One flag is represents a treasonous regime which literally went to war to try and continue owning Americans as property, and followed up their defeat by creating a tyrannical system of governing, backed by terrorism, to oppress Americans.

It is a choice to support such a regime, and its symbols have no place anywhere near places of governance.....or, frankly, most places outside of a museum.


That is not equivalent to a bunch of bigoted morons throwing a tantrum because they can't throw people in jail or flat out murder them for something completely out of their control anymore.

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As your incoherent reply says as much about you as we need to know.
The comparison is between two flag displays, not between a flag display and a sexual preference. You are confused.
The point of comparison is that both flags are offensive to some portion of the citizenry. Personally I find neither flag offensive and would like to see both flying from state houses without controversy.

What I do find offensive is people who don't understand what they read but who are quick to criticize based on their misunderstanding.

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Why would we allow the Dixie Swastika to fly over any government building or on government property? They were traitors and that flag should be treated as the symbol of treason. We should treat it the same way the German government does symbols of Hitler and the 3rd Reich.

James972 said:

Dear, The Nazis were all consenting adults.

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What Nazis did among themselves wasn't the problem. They did stuff to other people without their consent. That was the problem. Gay people aren't allowed to kill people, so, different thing.

Tigerace117 said:

One flag is represents a treasonous regime which literally went to war to try and continue owning Americans as property, and followed up their defeat by creating a tyrannical system of governing, backed by terrorism, to oppress Americans.

It is a choice to support such a regime, and its symbols have no place anywhere near places of governance.....or, frankly, most places outside of a museum.


That is not equivalent to a bunch of bigoted morons throwing a tantrum because they can't throw people in jail or flat out murder them for something completely out of their control anymore.

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Listen, Tiger. That's what the Confederate Battle Flag represents to you; to other Americans it represents something very different. To you the flag is offensive; to other Americans it is a source of pride. SAME WITH THE RAINBOW FLAG. To some what it represents is offensive; to others it is a source of pride.

The argument from offensiveness does not hold water. That's the point of my post. You need to come up with another argument.

Lisa said:

Why would we allow the Dixie Swastika to fly over any government building or on government property? They were traitors and that flag should be treated as the symbol of treason. We should treat it the same way the German government does symbols of Hitler and the 3rd Reich.

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And people like the OP think the Rainbow Flag represents sexual deviancy. You are offended by the Confederate Flag; he is offended by the Rainbow Flag. You both need another argument.

See this post as well:

Angel said:

Listen, Tiger. That's what the Confederate Battle Flag represents to you; to other Americans it represents something very different. To you the flag is offensive; to other Americans it is a source of pride. SAME WITH THE RAINBOW FLAG. To some what it represents is offensive; to others it is a source of pride.

The argument from offensiveness does not hold water. That's the point of my post. You need to come up with another argument.

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Angel said:

The Question

This thread has wandered far afield.

The question raised by the Original Post in this thread concerns a FLAG.

Specifically the flying of that flag over a state building.

The flag in question is the LGBT Rainbow Flag, pictured here:

The Original Poster objects to the flying of that flag over a state building.

Now, if you disagree with the Original Poster, if you have no objection to flying the LGBT flag over a state building, do you feel likewise about flying this flag over a state building?

Please Note:

If your objection is based on the fact that the Confederate Flag is offensive to many people, the same applies to the LGBT Flag.

So how do you avoid the hypocrisy of a double standard and distinguish between the two cases?

That is the question.​

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Let's try to avoid further misunderstanding, yes?

To many Americans the Rainbow Flag is a source of pride.
To many Americans the Battle Flag is a source of pride.

To many Americans the Rainbow Flag represents something offensive.
To many Americans the Battle Flag represents something offensive.

So...

If the objection to flying one of these flags over a state house relies solely on offense for argument, then that argument applies to the other as well.
You need another argument, or you must accept or reject the statehouse display of both flags.

Angel said:

Listen, Tiger. That's what the Confederate Battle Flag represents to you; to other Americans it represents something very different. To you the flag is offensive; to other Americans it is a source of pride. SAME WITH THE RAINBOW FLAG. To some what it represents is offensive; to others it is a source of pride.

The argument from offensiveness does not hold water. That's the point of my post. You need to come up with another argument.

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No, that is what the Confederacy objectively represents. The Confederates committed treason to try and continue owning slavers. The Confederates formed terrorist groups and brutally oppressed Americans. Supporting the Confederacy was and is a choice.

Being gay is not a choice. There is no equivalence between the two, and your desperate attempts at equating them are truly pathetic.

Angel said:

Let's try to avoid further misunderstanding, yes?

To many Americans the Rainbow Flag is a source of pride.
To many Americans the Battle Flag is a source of pride.

To many Americans the Rainbow Flag represents something offensive.
To many Americans the Battle Flag represents something offensive.

So...

If the objection to flying one of these flags over a state house relies solely on offense for argument, then that argument applies to the other as well.
You need another argument, or you must accept or reject the statehouse display of both flags.

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There is no more reason to fly a confederate flag over American soil than there is to fly a British battle flag. Both represented the enemy of our nation in war; they gay pride flag has not been a symbol of a geopolitical enemy.

Tigerace117 said:

No, that is what the Confederacy objectively represents. The Confederates committed treason to try and continue owning slavers. The Confederates formed terrorist groups and brutally oppressed Americans. Supporting the Confederacy was and is a choice.

Being gay is not a choice. There is no equivalence between the two, and your desperate attempts at equating them are truly pathetic.

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Jesse Booth said:

There is no more reason to fly a confederate flag over American soil than there is to fly a British battle flag. Both represented the enemy of our nation in war; they gay pride flag has not been a symbol of a geopolitical enemy.

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Look, gentlemen. The reasons you find the Confederate Flag offensive are irrelevant here. IRRELEVANT. Those who object to the Rainbow Flag have their reasons for finding it offensive. Just like you vis-a-vis the Confederate flag.

You miss the point of my post. Accordingly you miss the issue raised by the OP.

Angel said:

Look, gentlemen. The reasons you find the Confederate Flag offensive are irrelevant here. IRRELEVANT. Those who object to the Rainbow Flag have their reasons for finding it offensive. Just like you vis-a-vis the Confederate flag.

You miss the point of my post. Accordingly you miss the issue raised by the OP.

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National sovereignty is not irrelevant, Angel. The flag of foreign nations should never fly over state property, no matter how long ago those foreign nations collapsed.

Jesse Booth said:

National sovereignty is not irrelevant, Angel.

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National sovereignty is not at issue here, Jesse.

Angel said:

National sovereignty is not at issue here, Jesse.

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You're right, it isn't. Because the gay pride flag is not the flag of a foreign nation. The comparison you're making between those two flags is stupid, and frankly dishonest.

Jesse Booth said:

You're right, it isn't. Because the gay pride flag is not the flag of a foreign nation. The comparison you're making between those two flags is stupid, and frankly dishonest.

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The comparison I'm making using those two flags is to the point that being offensive to a portion of the citizenry, if sufficient, is sufficient to object to BOTH flags or neither.