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Sexual deviant's flag flown over State Capitol

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Angel said:
Look, gentlemen. The reasons you find the Confederate Flag offensive are irrelevant here. IRRELEVANT. Those who object to the Rainbow Flag have their reasons for finding it offensive. Just like you vis-a-vis the Confederate flag.

You miss the point of my post. Accordingly you miss the issue raised by the OP.
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You throwing a tantrum because your feelings are hurt by gay people existing and not being thrown in prison or murdered is not equivalent to opposing people flying the flag of a treasonous regime which murdered hundreds of thousands of US soldiers and sailors.
 
Angel said:
The comparison I'm making using those two flags is to the point that being offensive to a portion of the citizenry, if sufficient, is sufficient for BOTH flags or neither.
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That's why it's a stupid and dishonest comparison. The problem with flying a foreign nation that went to war with us, that killed American men on American soil, isn't that the flag is offensive. It happens to also be offensive to many Americans because it's a travesty to even consider flying a flag that represents the enemy on American soil, let alone over a capital building.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You throwing a tantrum because your feelings are hurt by gay people existing and not being thrown in prison or murdered is not equivalent to opposing people flying the flag of a treasonous regime which murdered hundreds of thousands of US soldiers and sailors.
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Maybe you didn't hear me when I told you that I find neither flag offensive or objectionable and would prefer to live in a country where both flew from state houses without controversy.

Read better. Think.
 
Jesse Booth said:
That's why it's a stupid and dishonest comparison. The problem with flying a foreign nation that went to war with us, that killed American men on American soil, isn't that the flag is offensive. It happens to also be offensive to many Americans because it's a travesty to even consider flying a flag that represents the enemy on American soil, let alone over a capital building.
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Again, you're giving reasons why you object to its display. Those who object to the Rainbow Flag have their reasons too. If having reasons for offense is sufficient to object to the display of one flag, then having reasons to object to the display of the other flag is also sufficient.

The stupidity and possible dishonesty concerning the comparison in my post are not on this side of the exchange.
 
Angel said:
Maybe you didn't hear me when I told you that I find neither flag offensive or objectionable and would prefer to live in a country where both flew from state houses without controversy.

Read better. Think.
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Except one is the symbol of a treasonous regime which abused and murdered Americans and has no more business flying over a state capital than the Nazi flag does.

And the other revolves around something completely out of one’s control.

The two aren’t equivalent.
 
Angel said:
Again, you're giving reasons why you object to its display. Those who object to the Rainbow Flag have their reasons too. If having reasons for offense is sufficient to object to the display of one flag, then having reasons to object to the display of the other flag is also sufficient.

The stupidity and possible dishonesty concerning the comparison in my post are not on this side of the exchange.
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The reason for not flying a foreign nation's flag is not a reason of offense, Angel.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except one is the symbol of a treasonous regime which abused and murdered Americans and has no more business flying over a state capital than the Nazi flag does.

And the other revolves around something completely out of one’s control.

The two aren’t equivalent.
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Myths & Misunderstandings | The Confederate Flag

What we today call “the Confederate flag” (the star-studded blue diagonal cross on a field of red) was born as the battle flag of what became Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia. Original wartime battle flags, therefore, are associated with the Confederate soldiers who carried them in battle.

The implicit link between soldiers and the nation that their service supported became explicit in May 1863 when the Confederate Congress approved a new national flag featuring the Army of Northern Virginia (ANV) battle flag.

Trying to reduce the flag to a single meaning distorts the flag’s history and ignores the very real influence that history has had on perceptions and meanings.
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Myths & Misunderstandings | The Confederate Flag | American Civil War Museum


Jesse Booth said:
The reason for not flying a foreign nation's flag is not a reason of offense, Angel.
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Angel said:
Myths & Misunderstandings | The Confederate Flag



Myths & Misunderstandings | The Confederate Flag | American Civil War Museum
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Angel, I live in southeast Georgia. I know that the flag was originally Lee's battle flag. It was still every bit a symbol of the Confederacy as the Imperial War Flag represented Nazi Germany, even though both were merely war flags. Neither one is any less deserving of being barred from the halls of American power for their "limited" symbolism of the enemy.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Angel, I live in southeast Georgia. I know that the flag was originally Lee's battle flag. It was still every bit a symbol of the Confederacy as the Imperial War Flag represented Nazi Germany, even though both were merely war flags. Neither one is any less deserving of being barred from the halls of American power for their "limited" symbolism of the enemy.
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I understand your reason for objecting to its display, Jesse. I'm not disputing your reason. I'm merely pointing out that those who object to the display of the Rainbow Flag have their own compelling reasons. My point is that these reasons to object cancel each other out and one must find another reason to object to the display of either flag or else accept the display of both.
 
Angel said:
I understand your reason for objecting to its display, Jesse. I'm not disputing your reason. I'm merely pointing out that those who object to the display of the Rainbow Flag have their own compelling reasons. My point is that these reasons to object cancel each other out and one must find another reason to object to the display of either flag or else accept the display of both.
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Offense at a social movement is not the same as opposition to a flag that flew over the bloodshed of American soldiers, and your comparing of the two is still stupid and dishonest.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, what regime did Robert E Lee fight for again?

The Confederate States of America

That’s like saying that flying the divisional flags of the SS is a-okay because they were “only” associated with the SS.
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See post#310, please. We're going around in circles here.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Offense at a social movement is not the same as opposition to a flag that flew over the bloodshed of American soldiers, and your comparing of the two is still stupid and dishonest.
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Those who object to the "social movement" offer what they consider deeper reasons for their objection. As in the OP, they see the movement as representing sexual deviancy.
 
Angel said:
Those who object to the "social movement" offer what they consider deeper reasons for their objection. As in the OP, they see the movement as representing sexual deviancy.
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Their deeper reasons are literally nothing but feelings. Flags of an enemy nation don't belong above our nation's capitals.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Offense at a social movement is not the same as opposition to a flag that flew over the bloodshed of American soldiers, and your comparing of the two is still stupid and dishonest.
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Are you saying that NO Wisconsin soldier was ever gay?
 
Jesse Booth said:
Their deeper reasons are literally nothing but feelings. Flags of an enemy nation don't belong above our nation's capitals.
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Those who see the Battle Flag as a symbol of Southern Pride will point out to you that your reasons are "nothing but feelings."
Those who see the Rainbow Flag as a symbol of sexual deviancy will give you a brace of reasons why their objection is based on fact, not feelings.
 
Angel said:
Those who see the Battle Flag as a symbol of Southern Pride will point out to you that your reasons are "nothing but feelings."
Those who see the Rainbow Flag as a symbol of sexual deviancy will give you a brace of reasons why their objection is based on fact, not feelings.
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There's a world of difference between fact and opinion, and both of those groups you listed consist of emotionally fragile nutters who demonstrate perpetual ignorance of both history and human psychology.
 
Jesse Booth said:
There's a world of difference between fact and opinion, and both of those groups you listed consist of emotionally fragile nutters who demonstrate perpetual ignorance of both history and human psychology.
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And those "emotionally fragile nutters" will come back with an equally irrelevant ad hominem argument against you. And the Polarity Dance goes on.
 
Angel said:
Those who see the Battle Flag as a symbol of Southern Pride will point out to you that your reasons are "nothing but feelings."
Those who see the Rainbow Flag as a symbol of sexual deviancy will give you a brace of reasons why their objection is based on fact, not feelings.
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Name one fact
 
Angel said:
I guess they would point to biology.
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What about biology? Deviancy is a moral question not a factual question. Unless you are discussing statistical deviancy which would include celibate, infertile.....etc
 
vegas giants said:
What about biology? Deviancy is a moral question not a factual question. Unless you are discussing statistical deviancy which would include celibate, infertile.....etc
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I'm not discussing deviancy at all. I replied to your question about what in the way of fact someone who saw homosexuality as deviancy might supply. Ask the OP this question.
 
Angel said:
Those who see the Battle Flag as a symbol of Southern Pride will point out to you that your reasons are "nothing but feelings."
Those who see the Rainbow Flag as a symbol of sexual deviancy will give you a brace of reasons why their objection is based on fact, not feelings.
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This is the post where you say deviancy.


You have no facts
 
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