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Sexual Misconduct

Dick Tornado said:
Where is the famous recorded quote of grabbing women by their p***y and the picture of the perp?

I can't judge the infractions as I have been happily married for 32 years and that would cover the time frame most of these individual were actively, active.

I wasn't pursuing sexual encounters other than chasing my wife.

Until I had chemo I would say we were like high schoolers......
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"I don't even wait.
And when you're a star, they let you do it.
You can do anything.
Grab them by the *****.
You can do anything."​

Welcome to DebatePolitics, Dick.
Props on the successful marriage.
Be well.
 
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"All this stuff about rape culture on campus is absolute madness. Most of the cases that are being called rape are simply miscommunications — each one misreading the other one’s desires. Women cannot just put themselves passively into situations where they could be overpowered by a stronger person, whether it’s a man or a woman. You don’t do that! And if you do that – if you’ve made a mistake — you don’t just sit on it and six months later, or a year later, decide ‘Oh, it was rape’ and run to a clinic. This is not the way feminism should conduct itself."

Camille Paglia cuts the malarkey: Women just need to toughen up
 
Angel said:
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Brigitte Bardot calls #MeToo stars 'hypocritical'
Veteran French actress Brigitte Bardot has dismissed actresses who have commented on sexual harassment via the #MeToo movement as "hypocritical".
Brigitte Bardot calls #MeToo stars 'hypocritical' - BBC News

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People commonly claim that actresses use their sexuality to get ahead in the film industry, but virtually never give any evidence to support it. I'm quite annoyed by this argument being made time after time without any backing.

Also, are the two pictures of Bardot really neccessary?
 
Angel said:
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"All this stuff about rape culture on campus is absolute madness. Most of the cases that are being called rape are simply miscommunications — each one misreading the other one’s desires. Women cannot just put themselves passively into situations where they could be overpowered by a stronger person, whether it’s a man or a woman. You don’t do that! And if you do that – if you’ve made a mistake — you don’t just sit on it and six months later, or a year later, decide ‘Oh, it was rape’ and run to a clinic. This is not the way feminism should conduct itself."

Camille Paglia cuts the malarkey: Women just need to toughen up
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Camille Paglia's statements on rape are quite frankly rather horrifying. She outright states that women who are intoxicated are effectively revoking their rights not to be raped, and claims that a person's body can have different "desires" from the person herself, which is utter nonsense. Paglia cites a relatively obscure comedy film from the 1960s, which doesn't really help her case.
 
The Auditor said:
People commonly claim that actresses use their sexuality to get ahead in the film industry, but virtually never give any evidence to support it. I'm quite annoyed by this argument being made time after time without any backing.

Also, are the two pictures of Bardot really neccessary?
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What sort of evidence have you in mind? In what way does the claim "that actresses use their sexuality to get ahead in the film industry" differ in terms of evidence from the allegations of the #MeToo movement?

Yes, I think the images of Bardot necessary, both thematically and practically, inasmuch as some of the younger folk among the membership will not know who Bardot was, believe it or not, and because this thread and the other two threads in the trilogy are in part about the sexual objectification of women.
 
Angel said:
What sort of evidence have you in mind? In what way does the claim "that actresses use their sexuality to get ahead in the film industry" differ in terms of evidence from the allegations of the #MeToo movement?

Yes, I think the images of Bardot necessary, both thematically and practically, inasmuch as some of the younger folk among the membership will not know who Bardot was, believe it or not, and because this thread and the other two threads in the trilogy are in part about the sexual objectification of women.
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The "allegations of the #MeToo movement" are supported by repeated and consistent testimony from hundreds of people. The claim that most cases of "harassment" are just women willingly using their sexuality to get ahead in their jobs is, in my experience, either given no evidence to support it at all or only backed up by vague appeals to common knowledge.

Although I do agree that some information on Brigitte Bardot is pertinent to the discussion, it would be better if we had an actual link to her wikipedia page or a similar source of information. Simply showing a pair of salacious images of her OOC doesn't give us any real information on her credentials and could be seen as demeaning her character.
 
The Auditor said:
...Although I do agree that some information on Brigitte Bardot is pertinent to the discussion, it would be better if we had an actual link to her wikipedia page or a similar source of information. Simply showing a pair of salacious images of her OOC doesn't give us any real information on her credentials and could be seen as demeaning her character.
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Her credentials are that she was a sex symbol, an object of sexualization, an icon of an era of sexual freedom before the New Puritanism brainwashed everyone into thinking her images "salacious."
 
She was the ultimate screen goddess, who gave it all up, dedicating herself to protecting animals for the past 46 years. Now, in a forthcoming memoir, Brigitte Bardot laments the destructive nature of celebrity, saying it suffocated her and robbed her of the ability to go anywhere without being approached by strangers, some of whom wanted to embrace and touch her.

“I know what it feels like to be hunted,” she says.

Now 84, she rose to fame after the success of films including And God Created Women. But in 1973, at the height of her career, she left it all behind.
Singling out screen legends such as Marilyn Monroe and Marlene Dietrich, who died alone, she said: “The majority of great actresses met tragic ends. When I said goodbye to this job, to this life of opulence and glitter, images and adoration, the quest to be desired, I was saving my life.”

She added: “This worship of celebrity … suffocated me.”

'I know what it feels like to be hunted': Brigitte Bardot on life in the spotlight | Film | The Guardian
 
Angel said:
Her credentials are that she was a sex symbol, an object of sexualization, an icon of an era of sexual freedom before the New Puritanism brainwashed everyone into thinking her images "salacious."
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Okay, maybe "salacious" isn't the best word for the subject. Whatever. But my point still stands. Just because the images in the post depict her in a her sexualized manner doesn't really tell us much about her career in film or cultural impact. You didn't even specify that the two images were of her.

zyzygy said:
She was the ultimate screen goddess, who gave it all up, dedicating herself to protecting animals for the past 46 years. Now, in a forthcoming memoir, Brigitte Bardot laments the destructive nature of celebrity, saying it suffocated her and robbed her of the ability to go anywhere without being approached by strangers, some of whom wanted to embrace and touch her.

“I know what it feels like to be hunted,” she says.

Now 84, she rose to fame after the success of films including And God Created Women. But in 1973, at the height of her career, she left it all behind.
Singling out screen legends such as Marilyn Monroe and Marlene Dietrich, who died alone, she said: “The majority of great actresses met tragic ends. When I said goodbye to this job, to this life of opulence and glitter, images and adoration, the quest to be desired, I was saving my life.”

She added: “This worship of celebrity … suffocated me.”

'I know what it feels like to be hunted': Brigitte Bardot on life in the spotlight | Film | The Guardian
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Thank you.
 
The Auditor said:
The "allegations of the #MeToo movement" are supported by repeated and consistent testimony from hundreds of people. The claim that most cases of "harassment" are just women willingly using their sexuality to get ahead in their jobs is, in my experience, either given no evidence to support it at all or only backed up by vague appeals to common knowledge.
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Allegations based on private experience and claims based on private experience are epistemologically of equal weight as testimony. There is no evidence for either.
 
Angel said:
Your frantic attempts at misdirection are understandable, David. Had I posted the sort of feminist silliness that you posted and then been called out on it, as you did and were in the following post:

Had I posted these feminist talking points, as you did, and then been called out for them, as you were by me, I guess I too, like you, would want to forget I'd ever heard of sexual selection.
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What I posted is not a feminist talking point. It is what factually has happened in the workplace.

Yet you still have no explanation of what sexual selection means regarding human behavior.
 
Angel said:
Allegations based on private experience and claims based on private experience are epistemologically of equal weight as testimony. There is no evidence for either.
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So what if it's private? Lots of bad things happen to people in private. The predators prefer it that way. It doesn't mean the victims can't use whatever means they can to do something about it.
 
You know, a better question to consider what all of the rich, powerful, and famous men who've not been repeatedly accused of sexual misconduct have in common. What esoteric detail of their personal lives has led to them never having to utter these insipid non-apologies?

It's staggering that the same men can scream that the criminal penalties for sexual assault are too soft, too liberal, and then turn around and cry that actual sexual predators are losing their jobs.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
You know, a better question to consider what all of the rich, powerful, and famous men who've not been repeatedly accused of sexual misconduct have in common. What esoteric detail of their personal lives has led to them never having to utter these insipid non-apologies?

It's staggering that the same men can scream that the criminal penalties for sexual assault are too soft, too liberal, and then turn around and cry that actual sexual predators are losing their jobs.
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Steady on, mate. "Allegations" do not automatically amount to "actualities" in the best of all possible worlds.
 
Angel said:
Steady on, mate. "Allegations" do not automatically amount to "actualities" in the best of all possible worlds.
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We don't live in the best of all possible worlds. We live in the world where a man can sexually harass and assault hundreds of people over decades and the media will still think their careers are more important than their victims.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
We don't live in the best of all possible worlds. We live in the world where a man can sexually harass and assault hundreds of people over decades and the media will still think their careers are more important than their victims.
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You may well be right, pace Liebniz, about the modal logic of this world of ours, Korimyr, but the logic of your allegation=actuality politics bids fair to make it a worse world than it already is. Curious that all your sympathy lies with the alleged victim, and none of your sympathy with the potential victim.
 
Angel said:
Sexual Misconduct

"I deeply apologize for my inappropriate behavior. I am greatly embarrassed.
I have behaved insensitively at times, and I accept responsibility for that,
though I do not believe that all of these allegations are accurate.
I always felt that I was pursuing shared feelings, even though I now realize I was mistaken."

Sound familiar?

One expects an "Amen" to follow

It has become the national prayer

a prayer of repentance

a public apology made by one of the men in the collage posted below:

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Can you guess which one? (Answer among links below)

They all sound the same

What is it that everyone is repenting publicly for?

What is their crime?

What is their sin?

And why are reputations and careers being ruined despite the public prayer of apology?​


30 celebrities accused of sexual assault since Harvey Weinstein
30 celebrities accused of sexual assault since Harvey Weinstein
Here Are All the Public Figures Who Have Been Accused of Sexual Misconduct After Harvey Weinstein
Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey: More Men Accused of Assault | Time
After Harvey Weinstein: These Celebrity Men Have Been Accused of Sexual Misconduct
After Harvey Weinstein: These Celebrity Men Have Been Accused of Sexual Misconduct
The list: Celebrities accused of sexual misconduct
The list: Celebrities accused of sexual misconduct - The Morning Call
Answer to thread quote ID.
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This thread completes the trilogy of threads posted by Angel in the Sex and Sexuality forum:​

Sexual Politics
Sexual Hypocrisy

Advanced Placement Trilogy Questions

How is it that all these publicly disgraced sinners are men, and powerful men at that?

Who manipulates the strings of the marionettes driving our public discourse on sexual misconduct?

Have these men been sacrificed for our sins?

Think​
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Anytime someone makes a public apology, it is not too because they are sorry. That's why most people who do should not issue public apologies.

If people guilty of sexual misconduct we're truly sorry truly repentant for their actions they would probably involve themselves with something to either spread awareness to help people not become victims or to try and redeem themselves in their victims eyes.

if you apologize to the public you are trying to redeem yourself in the public's perception, and quite honestly our public is very naive and extremely permissive.

With a conviction of sexual misconduct, you did not harm the public nearly as much as you did the victim. The public if it wanted to be less permissive wouldn't care how sorry you were to it. The public would recognize that it isn't the victim.
 
Angel said:
Curious that all your sympathy lies with the alleged victim, and none of your sympathy with the potential victim.
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Simple numbers. There are vastly more victims of rape than there are of false rape allegations, and a far greater number of rape victims are murdered than allegation victims even face criminal charges.

I will worry more about rape allegations harming innocent men when I start seeing real evidence that they've started harming guilty men.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Simple numbers. There are vastly more victims of rape than there are of false rape allegations, and a far greater number of rape victims are murdered than allegation victims even face criminal charges.

I will worry more about rape allegations harming innocent men when I start seeing real evidence that they've started harming guilty men.
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Wow! Someone is actually OK with innocent people being convicted and sent to prison. That doesn't bode well for a free society.
 
Angel said:
It most certainly was.


Do your own homework.
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It was not at all. It was a simple statement of fact.

You brought up sexual selection as if it was pertinent to the discussion. It is up to you to explain what it is and why you think it is pertinent.
 
SDET said:
Wow! Someone is actually OK with innocent people being convicted and sent to prison. That doesn't bode well for a free society.
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Show me an example of any innocent person accused as part of #MeToo being convicted and sent to prison.

Hell, for that matter, show me a single ****ing example of a single ****ing guilty person being sent to prison-- is Cosby even serving his sentence yet, or is he still on house arrest?

You're whining about injustices that nobody can prove are even happening as a justification-- as a thinly veiled excuse-- for protecting rapists from their victims.

Do not pretend that you give a good goddamn about "justice", you misogynist diaperbaby. There isn't a single member of this forum who doesn't already know the sad little truth of you.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Show me an example of any innocent person accused as part of #MeToo being convicted and sent to prison.

Hell, for that matter, show me a single ****ing example of a single ****ing guilty person being sent to prison-- is Cosby even serving his sentence yet, or is he still on house arrest?

You're whining about injustices that nobody can prove are even happening as a justification-- as a thinly veiled excuse-- for protecting rapists from their victims.

Do not pretend that you give a good goddamn about "justice", you misogynist diaperbaby. There isn't a single member of this forum who doesn't already know the sad little truth of you.
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Have you considered a laxative? It would do you a world of good!
 
devildavid said:
It was not at all. It was a simple statement of fact.

You brought up sexual selection as if it was pertinent to the discussion. It is up to you to explain what it is and why you think it is pertinent.
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Your misdirection has moved us so far from the original exchange that you now hope no one will remember it. Well, I remember it.
You deplored the relation between power and sex/ I reminded you that evolutionary biology justifies that relation. You asked how so, and I told you how so: in the concept of sexual selection. And here you are, a score of posts later, posting disingenuously about the relevance of sexual selection.
Get thee to the B&S.
 
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