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[W:517] Sexual Hypocrisy

Angel's Top 20
Hollywood Sex Symbols
on Parade

The Forties: Victorious Vamps

#16

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"The Girl with the Million Dollar Legs"

Betty Grable

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Glorification or Objectification?




#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow[
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#`6
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130​
 
devildavid said:
You have explained nothing. Posting a string of sex symbols does not demonstrate hypocrisy. it does demonstrate you interest in the history of sex symbols. But that isn't the supposed subject of the thread. Hypocrisy? Beuller? Beuller? Buelller?
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Post #105
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070128222
[in the interim:ten pages of similar attempts to get you to understand or acknowledge understanding.]
The last couple of pages:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-18.html#post1070140669
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146989
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146989
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070150116
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070150121
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070150129

Moreover, my attempts to get you to understand go back before #105!
You simply refuse to understand.
So be it.
Enjoy Sunday. A day of rest, remember.
 
Angel said:
Post #105
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070128222
[in the interim:ten pages of similar attempts to get you to understand or acknowledge understanding.]
The last couple of pages:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-18.html#post1070140669
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146989
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146989
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070150116
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070150121
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070150129

Moreover, my attempts to get you to understand go back before #105!
You simply refuse to understand.
So be it.
Enjoy Sunday. A day of rest, remember.
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Could you please get more up to date with your parade of sex symbols? Maybe some more modern ones will clarify the hypocrisy that you have so far failed to demonstrate.
 
devildavid said:
Could you please get more up to date with your parade of sex symbols? Maybe some more modern ones will clarify the hypocrisy that you have so far failed to demonstrate.
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Angel never demonstrates anything.
 
devildavid said:
Could you please get more up to date with your parade of sex symbols? Maybe some more modern ones will clarify the hypocrisy that you have so far failed to demonstrate.
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We're making our way through the last century -- "the American Century," as it has been called -- exemplifying one line of pop-cultural (and so familiar) sexual objectification of women. We'll get to your favorites in due course.
 
Erratum

I was timed out of correcting an error in post #206:

Angel said:
Errata

I was timed out of correcting two wrrors in post #201:
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"wrrors" should be "errors."
 
devildavid said:
Could you please get more up to date with your parade of sex symbols? Maybe some more modern ones will clarify the hypocrisy that you have so far failed to demonstrate.
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The Sexualized Position of American Women in Movies
In Hollywood, when the going gets tough, women strip.
The point made is that, onscreen, males talk and women strip. Further, this repetitive storylines starts with teenagers. In film, yes; But also on videos, in all phases of Hip-Hop culture, and in television series as well.
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The Sexualized Position of American Women in Movies | Psychology Today


Ignored or sexualized: How Hollywood is failing women

It's a timely reminder, experts say, pointing to the current wave of sexual assault allegations against a host of men in entertainment, politics and media, including film producer Harvey Weinstein; comedian Louis C.K.; Roy Moore, a former judge and U.S. Senate candidate from Alabama, and, most recently, Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn.

While it's unfair to say that showing scantily clad females in movies causes men to assault women, a history of sexualized depictions of women in media cannot be brushed aside as unimportant, said Nicole Martins, an associate professor in the Media School at Indiana University Bloomington.

"If the women are always sexualized and treated as objects (in film)," she said, "then I don't think we should be surprised that we have men who treat women that way."
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Ignored or sexualized: How Hollywood is failing women | Deseret News

Watching sexual objectification of women in films, ads makes you sexist
The findings show when people get habitually exposed to bikini-clad models draped over sports cars or scantily dressed actresses on TV, they tend to see the female sex as a mere sexual object.

Regularly watching television shows, films or advertisements that sexually objectify women and degrade them can may make you a sexist person, says a new research.

The findings showed that when people get habitually exposed to bikini-clad models draped over sports cars or scantily dressed actresses on television, they tend to see the female sex as a mere sexual object.

Such exposure makes them less likely to take a collective stance against such degrading exposure.

“The chronic exposure to objectifying media might lead to the dangerous assumption that such female portrayal is the norm, thus further reducing people’s likelihood to react,” said lead author Francesca Guizzo of the University of Padova in Italy.
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Watching sexual objectification of women in films, ads makes you sexist | sex and relationships | Hindustan Times

Sexual Objectification of women in films
(PDF) Sexual Objectification of women in films

Sexual objectification
Sexual objectification - Wikipedia
 
Angel said:
The Sexualized Position of American Women in Movies
In Hollywood, when the going gets tough, women strip.

The Sexualized Position of American Women in Movies | Psychology Today


Ignored or sexualized: How Hollywood is failing women


Ignored or sexualized: How Hollywood is failing women | Deseret News

Watching sexual objectification of women in films, ads makes you sexist
The findings show when people get habitually exposed to bikini-clad models draped over sports cars or scantily dressed actresses on TV, they tend to see the female sex as a mere sexual object.


Watching sexual objectification of women in films, ads makes you sexist | sex and relationships | Hindustan Times

Sexual Objectification of women in films
(PDF) Sexual Objectification of women in films

Sexual objectification
Sexual objectification - Wikipedia
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Where is the hypocrisy? Beuller? Beuller? Beuller?
 
Angel's Top 20
Hollywood Sex Symbols
on Parade

The Forties: Victorious Vamps

#14

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"The two and only Jane Russell" (Bob Hope)

Jane Russell

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Glorification or Objectification?




#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow[
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530​
 
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"I believe in objectification. The human eye makes objects. That’s kind of my philosophy of art. There’s all this demonization of the so-called “male gaze.” It’s such a bunch of malarkey. Human visual faculties are very tied up with eroticism as well as idealization of every kind."

Camille Paglia cuts the malarkey: Women just need to toughen up
 
I don't get what the OP is trying to say. They haven't given any instances of people who create objectifying media condemning it at the same time.
 
The Auditor said:
I don't get what the OP is trying to say. They haven't given any instances of people who create objectifying media condemning it at the same time.
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Who are "they"? The Original Poster is male and singular.
And hypocrisy is roughly the disconnect between what is practiced and what is preached and may apply to both individuals and to cultures of individuals. For the last half century Americans individually and American culture generally have been made hypocritical by the disconnect between popular culture's continued enjoyment of sexual objectification and recent political culture's condemnation of sexual objectification.
 
Angel said:
Who are "they"? The Original Poster is male and singular.
And hypocrisy is roughly the disconnect between what is practiced and what is preached and may apply to both individuals and to cultures of individuals. For the last half century Americans individually and American culture generally have been made hypocritical by the disconnect between popular culture's continued enjoyment of sexual objectification and recent political culture's condemnation of sexual objectification.
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You aren't familiar with the singular use of the word "they?"

To your point, I would like to point out that American culture is not homogenous- it's not strange that different facets of the culture hold different views on sexual objectification.

Also:

Angel said:
Do you deplore the sexual objectification of women? Have you enjoyed Hollywood movies of the past 100 years? If your answer to both of these questions is Yes, then you yourself are the "one example" you seek.
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It's rather silly to avoid watching any sort of Hollywood movie because of the objectification of women, especially since there's effectively no form of media on Earth that's completely free of it. Additionally, there are different degrees of objectification in media, and although I can't speak for devildavid, I personally avoid films with overt displays of misogyny.
 
The Auditor said:
...It's rather silly to avoid watching any sort of Hollywood movie because of the objectification of women, especially since there's effectively no form of media on Earth that's completely free of it. Additionally, there are different degrees of objectification in media, and although I can't speak for devildavid, I personally avoid films with overt displays of misogyny.
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If one enjoys sexual objectification on the one hand and condemns it on the other hand, one is hypocritical in one's view of sexual objectification, notwithstanding the broad compass of culture.
 
The Auditor said:
...Additionally, there are different degrees of objectification in media, and although I can't speak for devildavid, I personally avoid films with overt displays of misogyny.
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"Different degrees of objectification"? How does this work?
 
Angel's Top 20
Hollywood Sex Symbols
on Parade

The Fifties: Baby Boom Va-Va-Voom

#13

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"Broadway's Smartest Dumb Blonde"

Jayne Mansfield

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Glorification or Objectification?




#20 Clara Bow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-11.html#post1070126612
#19 Louise Brooks
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-12.html#post1070129726
#18 Jean Harlow
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-16.html#post1070134570
#17 Marlene Dietrich
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-19.html#post1070146716
#16 Dorothy Lamour
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-20.html#post1070150130
#15 Betty Grable
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-21.html#post1070157530
#14 Jane Russell
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-22.html#post1070164436​
 
Angel said:
If one enjoys sexual objectification on the one hand and condemns it on the other hand, one is hypocritical in one's view of sexual objectification, notwithstanding the broad compass of culture.
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I don't "enjoy" sexual objectification. There's just no reasonable way to avoid all forms of media containing it.
Angel said:
"Different degrees of objectification"? How does this work?
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How it sounds? I mean, the Bride from Kill Bill is "objectified to a certain degree", but nobody would say she's comparable to Nomi Malone from Showgirls.
 
The Auditor said:
I don't "enjoy" sexual objectification. There's just no reasonable way to avoid all forms of media containing it.

How it sounds? I mean, the Bride from Kill Bill is "objectified to a certain degree", but nobody would say she's comparable to Nomi Malone from Showgirls.
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"Enjoy" in the sense of derive a benefit from, as one enjoys good health or the protection of the law; in the case at hand, entertainment value.

What different degrees of objectification do you find in the following images?

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Angel said:
If one enjoys sexual objectification on the one hand and condemns it on the other hand, one is hypocritical in one's view of sexual objectification, notwithstanding the broad compass of culture.
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Still no examples of this in American culture.
 
Sexual objectification is great and everybody not wearing a burka does it too...
 
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