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[W:517] Sexual Hypocrisy

It is not the definition you are seeking, but no less accurate.

i.e. express (something abstract) in a concrete form: good poetry objectifies emotions and sentiment;

or

appoints characteristics as objects of the negative or positive;

as opposed to:

humanity degraded to the status of a mere object.

No, poetry expresses something, it does not objectify it. Looking at a human being does not objectify them.
 
No, poetry expresses something, it does not objectify it. Looking at a human being does not objectify them.

Obviously, you don't read or listen to much poetry. We all objectify other humans everyday. My wife, my son, my daughter, my mother, my father, simple examples. A soldier objectifies the enemy, criminals the mark, men and women objectify each other. Not so terrible, "that is one hot babe." "Ooo, he's a cutie, look at those thighs."

Balance is everything. I objectify my wife before jumping her bones. Then we have an intellectual discussion about how she will spend some of my money. Li'l Annie Fanny and Daddy Warbucks. Live with it.
 
Obviously, you don't read or listen to much poetry. We all objectify other humans everyday. My wife, my son, my daughter, my mother, my father, simple examples. A soldier objectifies the enemy, criminals the mark, men and women objectify each other. Not so terrible, "that is one hot babe." "Ooo, he's a cutie, look at those thighs."

Balance is everything. I objectify my wife before jumping her bones. Then we have an intellectual discussion about how she will spend some of my money. Li'l Annie Fanny and Daddy Warbucks. Live with it.

We don't objectify humans by giving them names or how they are related to us. That isn't what objectification means.
A sniper shooting a target might objectify the target. A rapist can objectify their victim. Serial killers often objectify their victims.

I have read plenty of poetry. There was no objectifying in it, just creative expression of ideas and emotions. I connected subjectively with the poet.

You personal information qualifies as TMI.
 
No, poetry expresses something, it does not objectify it. Looking at a human being does not objectify them.

Like I said, you have little experience with poetry. Poetry need not express anything, its purpose to move an audience emotionally, separating poetry from prose, which is a telling. e.e. comings is all about objectification. Objectification is tool in the hands of a poet, all of us, with no underlying implication of the negative.

"Billy, angelic, charismatic demanding sensual attention, shining under the sun left the officers ambivalent toward his presence as he commanded more attention than they." Melville objectifying Billy Budd

In translation:

Mother Cabrini, too beautiful to be of the cloth, facing abuse from a gendarme, starts the revolution that united the independent states of Italy. Objectified in the movie of the same name, starring Sophia Loren in all her glory and cleavage, establishing Sophia as a feminine revolutionary heroine in the minds of Italian women and one of Italy's greatest actresses, in this true bit of history of a nun who gets some and more.

Nothing in this life is all one way or another. The Puritans were sex maniacs who couldn't get enough. Examine your own prudishness.
 
Like I said, you have little experience with poetry. Poetry need not express anything, its purpose to move an audience emotionally, separating poetry from prose, which is a telling. e.e. comings is all about objectification. Objectification is tool in the hands of a poet, all of us, with no underlying implication of the negative.

"Billy, angelic, charismatic demanding sensual attention, shining under the sun left the officers ambivalent toward his presence as he commanded more attention than they." Melville objectifying Billy Budd

In translation:

Mother Cabrini, too beautiful to be of the cloth, facing abuse from a gendarme, starts the revolution that united the independent states of Italy. Objectified in the movie of the same name, starring Sophia Loren in all her glory and cleavage, establishing Sophia as a feminine revolutionary heroine in the minds of Italian women and one of Italy's greatest actresses, in this true bit of history of a nun who gets some and more.

Nothing in this life is all one way or another. The Puritans were sex maniacs who couldn't get enough. Examine your own prudishness.

You know nothing about my experience with poetry. And you don't understand the meaning of objectify. The bulk of your post is incoherent and has nothing to do with the meaning of objectify.
 
You know nothing about my experience with poetry. And you don't understand the meaning of objectify. The bulk of your post is incoherent and has nothing to do with the meaning of objectify.

Of course. You are always all knowing, always all correct. :lamo
 
Obviously, you don't read or listen to much poetry. We all objectify other humans everyday. My wife, my son, my daughter, my mother, my father, simple examples. A soldier objectifies the enemy, criminals the mark, men and women objectify each other. Not so terrible, "that is one hot babe." "Ooo, he's a cutie, look at those thighs."

Balance is everything. I objectify my wife before jumping her bones. Then we have an intellectual discussion about how she will spend some of my money. Li'l Annie Fanny and Daddy Warbucks. Live with it.

Your family are mere objects or abstract concepts?


objectify

verb
1.
degrade to the status of a mere object.
"a deeply sexist attitude that objectifies women"
2.
express (something abstract) in a concrete form.
"good poetry objectifies feeling"
 
Yes, making the same false accusation to exact your revenge.

Please try to keep up.

I'd like to keep up, but in this case there doesn't seem to be anything to keep up with.

I think you might have taken seriously a sarcastic bit of fluff that I posted. Anger? Payback? Those things weren't really what was on my mind. I was simply pointing out, obviously not very effectively, what I see as a motes-and-beams issue on the part of straight people when it comes to the way they so often characterise gay sexuality.

It's interesting that you see me as angry. It think at worst I get annoyed occasionally. Perhaps my sarcasm and mocking come across as being more than they are. It is reassuring that you find me adorable. I totally am.
 
I simply know what objectify means. It isn't what you or Angel say it means.

Yeah, all or nothing, intently superficial. Thy ego is weak.

The blind man picked up the hammer and saw. :lamo
 
I'd like to keep up, but in this case there doesn't seem to be anything to keep up with.

I think you might have taken seriously a sarcastic bit of fluff that I posted. Anger? Payback? Those things weren't really what was on my mind. I was simply pointing out, obviously not very effectively, what I see as a motes-and-beams issue on the part of straight people when it comes to the way they so often characterise gay sexuality.

It's interesting that you see me as angry. It think at worst I get annoyed occasionally. Perhaps my sarcasm and mocking come across as being more than they are. It is reassuring that you find me adorable. I totally am.

Ok, you're adorable. Sorry I didn't get your humor, my friend.
 
Of course. You are always all knowing, always all correct. :lamo
His posts are just contrarian posts, posts for the sake of posting; they show no understanding of the basic concept of objectification.
 
I simply know what objectify means. It isn't what you or Angel say it means.
You apparently don't know what "objectify" means. As already pointed out to you, it means "to make an object of." This happens at various levels, but it begins with the most basic level of perception. If you don't understand this, be humble and admit as much. Stop posting a lot of rubbish simply because you can.
 
Your family are mere objects or abstract concepts?...
He did bot say "mere." That's your addition. Your post is jejune and shallow.
He did NOT say "mere." Lest you be confounded by a typo.
We are all objects of each other's perceptions.
Think.

The obvious distortion in your post is gratuitous and dishonest. Look to it.
 
Objectification and Sexual Objectification
The difference

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Louise Brooks objectified by photography.
Louise Brooks sexually objectified in a photograph.

The first kind of objectification is in the very nature of photography.
The second kind of objectification lies in the nature of the photograph.


Here's what feminist dissident Camille Paglia has to say about the second sort of objectification:

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Contrast Paglia's statement to Dworkin's statement, posted earlier at #95:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-10.html#post1070121203
 
objectify

verb
1.
degrade to the status of a mere object.
"a deeply sexist attitude that objectifies women"
2.
express (something abstract) in a concrete form.
"good poetry objectifies feeling"

I simply know what objectify means. It isn't what you or Angel say it means.

Objectification in its various forms was addressed at post #27:

#27
https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/357115-sexual-hypocrisy-3.html#post1070098428
Objectification is an essential component of art and science, and in our treatment of non-human animals, and in every person's relation to his.her physical self.

Social Psychology of Representations

Objectification - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

Objectification Theory

Body Objectification: The Psychology Behind This Epidemic | Psychology Today


Nature = Objects


Edge.org

Overcoming the objectification of nature
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~rar/papers/RogersWJC1998.pdf

Please let's not waste another post on your limited comprehension of the concept of objectification, gentlemen.
Thank you in advance.
 
You apparently don't know what "objectify" means. As already pointed out to you, it means "to make an object of." This happens at various levels, but it begins with the most basic level of perception. If you don't understand this, be humble and admit as much. Stop posting a lot of rubbish simply because you can.

You don't understand that merely looking at something is not synonymous with objectifying it.
 
I am similarly afflicted, although "afflicted" is not the word I would have chosen. The point of my post, which everyone except me seems to have missed, is that over the years gays have been routinely been accused of being sex-obsessed by straight people who are apparently oblivious the the obsession mainstream, i.e. hetero society has with heterosexual sex.

Well, I agree with that. Sorry I didn't pick up on the sarcasm.
 
Yeah, all or nothing, intently superficial. Thy ego is weak.

The blind man picked up the hammer and saw. :lamo

Your gibberish is amusing, but not in the way you intend.
 
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