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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Hallelujah! Someone gets it! Thank you. Some of the posts in this thread are from Mars!
    What's more, this is the third thread of mine you've rescued from misunderstanding and derailment. I appreciate it, I appreciate you.
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    No worries I like what you post. You are rather short and to the point and I respect that.

    Anyway, the portion of your post quoted here hits the nail on the head. Our culture is self-contradictory and hypocritical in this matter of sexual objectification.
    When it comes to sex, cognitive dissonance is rampant in America.
    I think this is because of our culture's high value on instant gratification. We know what we should do but the ease at which we can gratify various desires is for lack of a better word comforting.

    If you have ever had to break an addiction you understand that comfort of knowing you can just go right back to it if you need to. I remember when I quit smoking. I had to keep a pack of cigarettes with me. It was about four months before I threw them away.

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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Unfortunately sexual hypocrisy is nothing new, in some regards we have ourselves to blame in the persistent pendulum right to left then repeat of influences into cultural standards.
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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I don't think it's exclusive to women. It seems to be much more blatant with women.
    It is only more blatant with women than with men when you ignore the differences in our psychology. Men respond more strongly to visual stimulation. With women, it is merely more complicated and subtle: they respond to dominance and status. It's not something sexy to say in this day and age, but I am an economist: I trust your choices will reveal your preferences more so than your words. Women flock in mass to buy books and watch a few movies featuring a billionaire businessman that takes great pleasure in imposing his every whim onto a woman. And, of course, the main character is the one that tames him -- and, yes, taming is exactly the right word. Erotica essentially is what porn looks like if the content matters more than the form, in spite of the aura of sophistication that comes with the packaging of a story in a book.

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    How can we ask people young people who are the future to not sexually objectify women if we're doing it constantly.
    Ben Shapiro has made a great point in this respect. It used to be the case that you were taught as a man to protect women around you, to respect them and socially acceptable context for sex was limited to the confine of marriage. The idea probably can be broadened to committed relationships without damage as the intuition seems to be that you shouldn't treat others or yourself as disposable when you make a choice regarding something which is supposed to be intimate such as sexuality. In his own words, it's not because men behaved like pigs in the 1950s, that asking women to be pigs today in the name of gender equality is a good idea.

    The fundamental problem, as I see it, is the casual treatment of sex. The one-nighter you drag from the bar back to your place or their place might be enjoyable, but the essence of the one-nighter is that she or he is disposable. You actually plan on not keeping them around, except as a last resort because they do a slightly better job than your own hands. A very curious part of this issue is that the whole point of this plan is that you both are in agreement that you're using each other as a sophisticated means of jacking off and there would, in fact, be a problem if either of you treated the other as a person and not as a third hand to jack off. So, you have to put yourself in the position of the sexual equivalent of a disposable razor blade at the same time you put the other person in that position.

    You can't treat other people with a high degree of reverence and respect when all of this is okay with you. Your whole modus operandi is built around the exact opposite view.

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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Well that's not exactly accurate. the message I got is that he's talking about hypocrisy. We constantly hear this platitude that we shouldn't sexually objectified people. I think it's a core the intention is good. People are worth more than what they can provide based on their sexual aspects. But then we see the same people using images of sexy people to mass market things to us.

    I don't think it's exclusive to women. It seems to be much more blatant with women.

    How can we ask people young people who are the future to not sexually objectify women if we're doing it constantly. Actions speak louder than words and this is especially true when actions go against the words.

    There is some part of this that is subconscious. We do have the baser instinct to mate and procreate. but I think some of these sexual objectification we see feeds and nourishes this baser instinct. And I don't necessarily believe that the instinct is wrong I think it just needs to be kept into perspective.

    I get what the Op was getting at. I think the problem I'm sexual objectification much deeper than people want to think about. Just cause problems particularly among young impressionable people. How often do we hear of a young woman who has such a poor self-image she engages in destructive activities?

    Few people want to address this, lots of people love to complain about it.
    The fact that he relates it to pop culture tells me he neither understands or cares about objectification. His aim is to blame present culture for problems and use objectification as an excuse for that.

    As usual it is his dishonest approach that i object to.

    Pop culture is not the problem with sexual objectification of women. All you need do to know that is answer the one question, what is the oldest profession in the world?

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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    The fact that he relates it to pop culture tells me he neither understands or cares about objectification. His aim is to blame present culture for problems and use objectification as an excuse for that.

    As usual it is his dishonest approach that i object to.

    Pop culture is not the problem with sexual objectification of women. All you need do to know that is answer the one question, what is the oldest profession in the world?
    I don't think he said pop culture was the entire problem I think he was saying it was adding to the problem rather than subtracting from it

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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I don't think he said pop culture was the entire problem I think he was saying it was adding to the problem rather than subtracting from it
    From the opening post, his words

    Pop Culture is Pornography

    Pop Culture is Pornography Promoted and Approved by Sexual Hypocrisy
    I think he is using objectification of women as an excuse to complain about a culture he does that does not agree with his religious fanaticism.

    I would say that this is just his usual dishonest approach to complaining about something while giving himself the ability to deny he is doing so.

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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I don't think he said pop culture was the entire problem I think he was saying it was adding to the problem rather than subtracting from it
    This guy is famous for telling others what they are saying and for saying nothing of his own.
    And he sees religions fanaticism everywhere:

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    From the opening post, his words
    I think he is using objectification of women as an excuse to complain about a culture he does that does not agree with his religious fanaticism.

    I would say that this is just his usual dishonest approach to complaining about something while giving himself the ability to deny he is doing so.
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    What is the message of this iconic pop-cultural image?
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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    This guy is famous for telling others what they are saying and for saying nothing of his own.
    And he sees religions fanaticism everywhere:
    He's yet another scroll past.

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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    LOL - and gay people don't think about sex as frequently as straight people? You are full of rage, but sill adorable
    Right? I wanna be screwed too.
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