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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    No, this was your comment:

    You were talking about the MeToo movement as well -- talking authoritatively, to boot, about matters you have not been privy to. And this last piece of business from you prompted the question I put to you in my reply:
    Nope, you are misrepresenting that specific discussion.

    You wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel
    I am not in a position to comment on your comment, Peter, having neither seen the movies nor read the books, but I did read the article before posting it and the author does anticipate your objection and replies to it, here:

    I take it you don't buy the qualification.
    To which I responded:

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King
    I have also not seen it, but from what I know it still is totally about consent in the end, something that the dirtbags who were targeted by metoo did not understand or did not care about. And Polanski is a pervert who needs to be jailed.
    Then you made this response

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel
    Nor have we seen the private moments of alleged harassment in the news. So how do we come by our "knowledge" (=your "from what I know") of what these moments were "totally about" (your words), or that they were not at all in any degree "about consent in the end"?
    To which I wrote this

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King
    No, my comment as you well know, was about the books and the movie we were discussing and how the people there have sex with consent. That is what my comment was about. To then take that comment to the Metoo movement is just ridiculous. And we do know what these moments are about because of the testimony of many women who were abused and harassed by asshole men who were in power and used that power to abuse and harass these women. And they did not consent to be abused.
    That is the correct discussion line, not the one you posted. And as you can see you wrote about not having seen the movie/read the books, I stated that I did not either but understood that it was purely voluntary sex, stating that the metoo bastards was not voluntary and that Polanski is a pedophile that needs to be locked up.

    That part of the discussion where I stated "I have also not seen it, but from what I understand it still is totally about consent in the end" purely had to do with the book, that part of the comment had NOTHING to do with the Metoo thing but with the 50 shades movie.
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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    And this was your vomment:

    In both cases -- Fifty Shades and MeToo -- you were commenting authoritatively on something you were not privy to.
    Thus my question to you:
    More untrue comments, my comment about consent was about the movie only, and thank goodness we have seen plenty of testimonies about women who had suffered from the metoo perverted bastards, tying my comment about to the movie to metoo is nonsense.
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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    And here is your answer:



    You "know" because you choose to believe one side against the other side in a matter that was private and that you did not yourself observe, yes?
    Yup, I believe the victims because they made believable cases, we have had men who confessed to their dirt bag behavior and investigations by companies who have fired staff for those accusations.
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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Nope, you are misrepresenting that specific discussion.

    That is the correct discussion line, not the one you posted. And as you can see you wrote about not having seen the movie/read the books, I stated that I did not either but understood that it was purely voluntary sex, stating that the metoo bastards was not voluntary and that Polanski is a pedophile that needs to be locked up.

    That part of the discussion where I stated "I have also not seen it, but from what I understand it still is totally about consent in the end" purely had to do with the book, that part of the comment had NOTHING to do with the Metoo thing but with the 50 shades movie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    More untrue comments, my comment about consent was about the movie only, and thank goodness we have seen plenty of testimonies about women who had suffered from the metoo perverted bastards, tying my comment about to the movie to metoo is nonsense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yup, I believe the victims because they made believable cases, we have had men who confessed to their dirt bag behavior and investigations by companies who have fired staff for those accusations.
    No, your comments about consent extended to the MeToo allegations. It's right there in our exchanges. I've bolded the relevant portions.

    My follow-up question asked how it is you feel competent to comment on the matter of consent in both the MeToo allegations and movie since you had no first-hand knowledge of either.
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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    No, your comments about consent extended to the MeToo allegations. It's right there in our exchanges. I've bolded the relevant portions.

    My follow-up question asked how it is you feel competent to comment on the matter of consent in both the MeToo allegations and movie since you had no first-hand knowledge of either.
    No, you misrepresented what I was talking about. The consent was purely about the Movie as that is what we at that moment were talking about. I then mentioned that this was in stark contrast to the disgusting pigs who were exposed by the metoo movement.
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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, you misrepresented what I was talking about. The consent was purely about the Movie as that is what we at that moment were talking about. I then mentioned that this was in stark contrast to the disgusting pigs who were exposed by the metoo movement.
    Peter, it is not important who brought up the MeToo movement and the question of consent, but here below is your first post to this thread, responding to an article linking Fifty Shades and MeToo:
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    What nonsense to make the connection between metoo and fifty shades. In fact it is totally the opposite, metoo is about the lack of freedom/pressuring women into doing things they do not want/abusing/misusing them where as fifty shades is about VOLUNTARY sex.
    Are you not, one, talking about MeToo, and two, asserting that MeToo is about the "opposite" of consent, i.e., non-consensual?

    But whether you're ready to acknowledge this or not, my question to you stands, whether or not you, I or the author of the article brought up MeToo:

    Why do you believe the allegation over the denial in the MeToo case?
    That is the important question.
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    Re: Sexual Hypocrisy

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