Masculinity in Menopause: The Emasculating Effects of Fatherlessness and Feminism

Citing studies on declining hand strength, lowered testosterone levels, and increasingly poor performance of boys in schools accompanied by the media “pushing an agenda-driven narrative that masculinity is inherently oppressive,violent, and domineering,” Jordan Black argues that we can learn from our colonial forefathers the inestimable value of a father’s presence to model, discipline, and teach a boy how to become a good man:

…we face a far greater threat at the opposite end of the macho-spectrum. Ironically, America is experiencing an epidemic of young men who fail to launch -- millennials who resist growing up and becoming men. They are abandoning traditional male behavior in favor of metrosexuality -- shoe-shopping, manicures, pedicures, and make-up are becoming the new norm. We are not making men like we used to; in fact, we are not making them at all.

… Unlike the colonials, our society encourages parents to share their child-rearing responsibilities with government institutions and the mass media, which reinforces the unspoken American philosophy that earning a living trumps parenting. However, parents must resist this cultural enticement. Parenting is not a collective endeavor with the government and community organizations. Institutionalized education, the government, and mass media are training boys to be weak, lazy, and effeminate. Parenting is not flying by the seat of your pants, it is discipleship. Rather than allowing our culture to guide and shape our boys, let us take a page from the colonial playbook and reintroduce men to virtuous masculinity.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...g_effects_of_fatherlessness_and_feminism.html

Oh wow, the popcorn we will need for this thread.

opcorn2:

First the electronic devices will need to be surgically removed...

nota bene said:

Citing studies on declining hand strength, lowered testosterone levels, and increasingly poor performance of boys in schools accompanied by the media “pushing an agenda-driven narrative that masculinity is inherently oppressive,violent, and domineering,” Jordan Black argues that we can learn from our colonial forefathers the inestimable value of a father’s presence to model, discipline, and teach a boy how to become a good man:

…we face a far greater threat at the opposite end of the macho-spectrum. Ironically, America is experiencing an epidemic of young men who fail to launch -- millennials who resist growing up and becoming men. They are abandoning traditional male behavior in favor of metrosexuality -- shoe-shopping, manicures, pedicures, and make-up are becoming the new norm. We are not making men like we used to; in fact, we are not making them at all.

… Unlike the colonials, our society encourages parents to share their child-rearing responsibilities with government institutions and the mass media, which reinforces the unspoken American philosophy that earning a living trumps parenting. However, parents must resist this cultural enticement. Parenting is not a collective endeavor with the government and community organizations. Institutionalized education, the government, and mass media are training boys to be weak, lazy, and effeminate. Parenting is not flying by the seat of your pants, it is discipleship. Rather than allowing our culture to guide and shape our boys, let us take a page from the colonial playbook and reintroduce men to virtuous masculinity.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...g_effects_of_fatherlessness_and_feminism.html

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In regards to the article, how do we know that none of this is due to things like growth hormones put in animals and the crops we mass produce? I find it pretty ludicrous that men's sperm count is decreasing because mom isn't barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen cooking and cleaning while dad is working the coal mines.

nota bene said:

Citing studies on declining hand strength, lowered testosterone levels, and increasingly poor performance of boys in schools accompanied by the media “pushing an agenda-driven narrative that masculinity is inherently oppressive,violent, and domineering,” Jordan Black argues that we can learn from our colonial forefathers the inestimable value of a father’s presence to model, discipline, and teach a boy how to become a good man:

…we face a far greater threat at the opposite end of the macho-spectrum. Ironically, America is experiencing an epidemic of young men who fail to launch -- millennials who resist growing up and becoming men. They are abandoning traditional male behavior in favor of metrosexuality -- shoe-shopping, manicures, pedicures, and make-up are becoming the new norm. We are not making men like we used to; in fact, we are not making them at all.

… Unlike the colonials, our society encourages parents to share their child-rearing responsibilities with government institutions and the mass media, which reinforces the unspoken American philosophy that earning a living trumps parenting. However, parents must resist this cultural enticement. Parenting is not a collective endeavor with the government and community organizations. Institutionalized education, the government, and mass media are training boys to be weak, lazy, and effeminate. Parenting is not flying by the seat of your pants, it is discipleship. Rather than allowing our culture to guide and shape our boys, let us take a page from the colonial playbook and reintroduce men to virtuous masculinity.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...g_effects_of_fatherlessness_and_feminism.html

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Nothing in that "article" makes any sense. This has to be some of the worst statistical reasoning skills and thinking correlation = causation I have ever seen. Then there is the misogyny.

I think this Jordan Black may have had far too many concussions in the NFL.

Every 18 year old on his birthday will now get

1. A tattoo of a demon, or predatory animal'
2. A year long supply of steroids
3. A paid for visit to a sex doll brothel.

In the months before turning 18, all young males will be expected to take up boxing for 4 hrs a week


Of course the author failed to mention the likely cause of lower testosterone levels in boys and men. Chemicals that have estrogen like effects on males (like plasticizers in plastics (chemicals to make them softer and more flexible.

nota bene said:

Citing studies on declining hand strength, lowered testosterone levels, and increasingly poor performance of boys in schools accompanied by the media “pushing an agenda-driven narrative that masculinity is inherently oppressive,violent, and domineering,” Jordan Black argues that we can learn from our colonial forefathers the inestimable value of a father’s presence to model, discipline, and teach a boy how to become a good man:

…we face a far greater threat at the opposite end of the macho-spectrum. Ironically, America is experiencing an epidemic of young men who fail to launch -- millennials who resist growing up and becoming men. They are abandoning traditional male behavior in favor of metrosexuality -- shoe-shopping, manicures, pedicures, and make-up are becoming the new norm. We are not making men like we used to; in fact, we are not making them at all.

… Unlike the colonials, our society encourages parents to share their child-rearing responsibilities with government institutions and the mass media, which reinforces the unspoken American philosophy that earning a living trumps parenting. However, parents must resist this cultural enticement. Parenting is not a collective endeavor with the government and community organizations. Institutionalized education, the government, and mass media are training boys to be weak, lazy, and effeminate. Parenting is not flying by the seat of your pants, it is discipleship. Rather than allowing our culture to guide and shape our boys, let us take a page from the colonial playbook and reintroduce men to virtuous masculinity.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...g_effects_of_fatherlessness_and_feminism.html

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as a man i say any one who wants to tell me how to live can go **** themselves

disciplining your kids and haivng dads help raise them is good though

OrphanSlug said:

Oh wow, the popcorn we will need for this thread.

opcorn2:

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nota bene said:

Citing studies on declining hand strength, lowered testosterone levels, and increasingly poor performance of boys in schools accompanied by the media “pushing an agenda-driven narrative that masculinity is inherently oppressive,violent, and domineering,” Jordan Black argues that we can learn from our colonial forefathers the inestimable value of a father’s presence to model, discipline, and teach a boy how to become a good man:

…we face a far greater threat at the opposite end of the macho-spectrum. Ironically, America is experiencing an epidemic of young men who fail to launch -- millennials who resist growing up and becoming men. They are abandoning traditional male behavior in favor of metrosexuality -- shoe-shopping, manicures, pedicures, and make-up are becoming the new norm. We are not making men like we used to; in fact, we are not making them at all.

… Unlike the colonials, our society encourages parents to share their child-rearing responsibilities with government institutions and the mass media, which reinforces the unspoken American philosophy that earning a living trumps parenting. However, parents must resist this cultural enticement. Parenting is not a collective endeavor with the government and community organizations. Institutionalized education, the government, and mass media are training boys to be weak, lazy, and effeminate. Parenting is not flying by the seat of your pants, it is discipleship. Rather than allowing our culture to guide and shape our boys, let us take a page from the colonial playbook and reintroduce men to virtuous masculinity.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...g_effects_of_fatherlessness_and_feminism.html

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No. I love you, Bene, but...no ma'am.

Millennials don't "self-start" because the boys are too "pussified". They don't "self-start" because of the hopelessness of the situation left to them by the Boomer generation.

(I mean, if we want to over simplify, we might as well over simplify in the right direction).

Good grief.

Praxas said:

In regards to the article, how do we know that none of this is due to things like growth hormones put in animals and the crops we mass produce? I find it pretty ludicrous that men's sperm count is decreasing because mom isn't barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen cooking and cleaning while dad is working the coal mines.

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That makes more sense to me than anything the article proposes...

I miss the good old days of manly men...

nota bene said:

Citing studies on declining hand strength, lowered testosterone levels, and increasingly poor performance of boys in schools accompanied by the media “pushing an agenda-driven narrative that masculinity is inherently oppressive,violent, and domineering,” Jordan Black argues that we can learn from our colonial forefathers the inestimable value of a father’s presence to model, discipline, and teach a boy how to become a good man:

…we face a far greater threat at the opposite end of the macho-spectrum. Ironically, America is experiencing an epidemic of young men who fail to launch -- millennials who resist growing up and becoming men. They are abandoning traditional male behavior in favor of metrosexuality -- shoe-shopping, manicures, pedicures, and make-up are becoming the new norm. We are not making men like we used to; in fact, we are not making them at all.

… Unlike the colonials, our society encourages parents to share their child-rearing responsibilities with government institutions and the mass media, which reinforces the unspoken American philosophy that earning a living trumps parenting. However, parents must resist this cultural enticement. Parenting is not a collective endeavor with the government and community organizations. Institutionalized education, the government, and mass media are training boys to be weak, lazy, and effeminate. Parenting is not flying by the seat of your pants, it is discipleship. Rather than allowing our culture to guide and shape our boys, let us take a page from the colonial playbook and reintroduce men to virtuous masculinity.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...g_effects_of_fatherlessness_and_feminism.html

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Without getting into the sociological elements of the essay, there is something to see in it. Boys of my generation and my son's generation were outside playing cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, playing army, running, jumping, climbing, and engaged in rough and tumble as well as helping mom and dad with chores including heavy lifting. (Note: the girls were also much more physically active too but it isn't the girls we are focused on in this thread.)

Now far too many boys are discouraged from engaging in make believe games involving guns or other weapons or engaging in physical contact, and far too many are spending the bulk of their time with their computer games, with their phones, watching TV, and generally in non strenuous activity. And in today's warped politically correct environment, too often they are not to be proud of their strength, athletic ability, or their manliness. They are encouraged to show their feminine side and repress their inate male attributes.

So now look at Web M.D. and the very first thing recommended for issues with low testosterone:

What’s Causing My Low Testosterone?

A logical mind might see that maybe not encouraging boys to be boys is having some unexpected and unwanted side effects.

Whether or not the writer got it all right, he does offer what I think is an important topic for discussion.

Before going into the article, which a number of people showed is not worthy here, let's look at the source, to see how far down the rabbit hole of it's claims do we want to go.

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That information shows that using that website is not very well reasoned. Using that source shows a strong lack of judgement.

nota bene said:

Citing studies on declining hand strength, lowered testosterone levels, and increasingly poor performance of boys in schools accompanied by the media “pushing an agenda-driven narrative that masculinity is inherently oppressive,violent, and domineering,” Jordan Black argues that we can learn from our colonial forefathers the inestimable value of a father’s presence to model, discipline, and teach a boy how to become a good man:

…we face a far greater threat at the opposite end of the macho-spectrum. Ironically, America is experiencing an epidemic of young men who fail to launch -- millennials who resist growing up and becoming men. They are abandoning traditional male behavior in favor of metrosexuality -- shoe-shopping, manicures, pedicures, and make-up are becoming the new norm. We are not making men like we used to; in fact, we are not making them at all.

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This sounds very much like the situation Japan is facing, and yet that is a very patriarchal, male-oriented society.

I can speculate on other reasons why males are feeling marginalized or less valued/having less impact on society:

--easier gratification and less risk of failure in video games, movies, online social media

--less physical activity overall

--less discipline in the home AND/OR parents letting television, the Internet, cell phone use 'babysit' rather than addressing bad behavior.

--less 'healthy' competition, like sports

--too much pressure to succeed in school and 'design' their future based on those successes and failures

--a focus on material goods that will require that success to attain. I'd extend this to finding a mate as well.

Alot of this is supported by what I've read firsthand from incels, but that's only a portion of today's young males.

RAMOSS said:

Before going into the article, which a number of people showed is not worthy here, let's look at the source, to see how far down the rabbit hole of it's claims do we want to go.

From American Thinker - Media Bias/Fact Check

That information shows that using that website is not very well reasoned. Using that source shows a strong lack of judgement.

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Good work, Ramoss, a twofer—killing the messenger and personal insult.

So have you a substantive opinion? Do you dispute statistics or study conclusions? Do you have an opinion on the importance of hand grip strength as a measure of health? Do you think epigenetics are a possible reason for declining testosterone and an explanation for why men’s testosterone levels fell 17 percent in seven years (1987-2004)? Should male academic performance be addressed?

Praxas said:

In regards to the article, how do we know that none of this is due to things like growth hormones put in animals and the crops we mass produce? I find it pretty ludicrous that men's sperm count is decreasing because mom isn't barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen cooking and cleaning while dad is working the coal mines.

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You really should read the links provided in the OP article and then do a little research yourself if you genuinely want an answer to your "How do we know?"

Grip Strength as an Indicator of Health-Related Quality of Life in Old Age—A Pilot Study

Handgrip Strength as a Darwinian Fitness Indicator in Men

Declining testosterone levels in men not part of normal aging -- ScienceDaily

That stupid commercial with the strapping teenage son that mom buys an insurance policy that will send someone out to change a flat tire..
Hahaha ..that's the kind of crap that personifies this current generation of kids.
How about teaching the kid how to change an effing tire?
Can you change a tire?

nota bene said:

You really should read the links provided in the OP article and then do a little research yourself if you genuinely want an answer to your "How do we know?"

Grip Strength as an Indicator of Health-Related Quality of Life in Old Age—A Pilot Study

Handgrip Strength as a Darwinian Fitness Indicator in Men

Declining testosterone levels in men not part of normal aging -- ScienceDaily

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Read my actual question and then show how any of those articles address what I asked. Here’s a hint they don’t. At this point your just throwing **** against the wall and hoping it sticks.

nota bene said:

Good work, Ramoss, a twofer—killing the messenger and personal insult.

So have you a substantive opinion? Do you dispute statistics or study conclusions? Do you have an opinion on the importance of hand grip strength as a measure of health? Do you think epigenetics are a possible reason for declining testosterone and an explanation for why men’s testosterone levels fell 17 percent in seven years (1987-2004)? Should male academic performance be addressed?

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These are contributing factors.

1) Diet. In specific, the prevalence of processed foods, and the increase of relying on fast food joints instead of healthy meals.
2) Pollution, the use in specially certain pesticides can have hormonal effects
3) The increase in obesity and a more sedentary lifestyle.

Could be epigenics, but there is no current evidence for it.

A majority of young adults don't have and/or want any romantic relationship:

We Are the Generation That Doesn't Want Relationships | HuffPost

With the Internet for friends and porn for sex, what is the need?

The problem is having a family with a child forces most people to grow up. If not they remain a child - demanding then government become mommy and daddy if their parents finally say no. In general, men who are not anchored by parenting obligations are vastly more likely to get into legal problems and employment instability. Parents don't riot. Parents work.

joko104 said:

A majority of young adults don't have and/or want any romantic relationship:

We Are the Generation That Doesn't Want Relationships | HuffPost

With the Internet for friends and porn for sex, what is the need?

The problem is having a family with a child forces most people to grow up. If not they remain a child - demanding then government become mommy and daddy if their parents finally say no. In general, men who are not anchored by parenting obligations are vastly more likely to get into legal problems and employment instability. Parents don't riot. Parents work.

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There are plenty of people in prison who have parenting obligations and there is an even far larger number of people who should not be parents at all. If having a child is such a good thing maybe society should work to actually make it affordable. Also your article (written 3 years ago) is garbage, it is written by a hipster blogger, complaining that her friends are busy having fun and living their lives without relationships holding them down. Then strangely enough all of her new blog posts are about how all of her friends are getting in relationships and having children as they near 30. It is not that the generation does not want relationships and children it just they want them later than previous generations usually around 30 or they will have the relationships just without children. The biggest reason a young couple probably forgoes children, often permanently is cost, and there there is the fact it is far more acceptable to do so, why have children if you don't want to.

As a young person most people I know are not planning on children if any until 30-35.

Grandpappy said:

That stupid commercial with the strapping teenage son that mom buys an insurance policy that will send someone out to change a flat tire..
Hahaha ..that's the kind of crap that personifies this current generation of kids.
How about teaching the kid how to change an effing tire?
Can you change a tire?

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Google knows, why you need anything more?

Carjosse said:

Google knows, why you need anything more?

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Haha...Ok.

Males need communities to take care of and have responsibility within, whether it's families or something broader. The narrative that men without children don't learn this is too focused on reproduction.

It seems that millennials are struggling because all the simple steps that previous generations took to procure a materially stable life no longer guarantee anything. The boomers and to some extent their children reaped the rewards of a very temporary arrangement. Even social security itself is designed for them. Once they're gone it's the wild west all over again and the game is going to change.

I wish I had the link, but I read an excellent psychology study a couple of weeks ago that delineated many of the factual reasons why millennials are not having children. Most are more educated now than previous generations, which means they know what it takes to raise children and they don't want to commit until they have the resources. Since they don't have the resources, they don't father children. It's part of the reason why birth rates are declining and we are increasingly reliant upon immigration to supply the work force.

The part about self-indulgent lifestyles like manicures and pedicures... well, that is just a symptom of late stage capitalism. People reach the utmost levels of entitlement and materialism before the system collapses. History shows us this. That said, it's not like people can spend all day, every day doing leisure activities. When most people reach their late 20's or early 30's they have a genuine desire to do something meaningful with their lives.

The suicide rate is highest among male millennials and male seniors right now. That should tell you something about accessibility and personal meaning.

Praxas said:

In regards to the article, how do we know that none of this is due to things like growth hormones put in animals and the crops we mass produce? I find it pretty ludicrous that men's sperm count is decreasing because mom isn't barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen cooking and cleaning while dad is working the coal mines.

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because we would probably see an increase in these things among men who consumed natural organic hormone-free foods.

Maybe there should be a study done on that.