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[W:3596] Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

Angel said:
I'm doing conceptual analysis; you're doing google searches and talking points. Your posts are irrelevant.
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No you are posting nonsense. I am pointing it out
Adultery requires marriage, not monogamy.
Your "argument" is nothing but a rambling pile of nonsense based pn your failure to understand science of evolution (which you dont even believe) and your failure to comprehend that monogamy is not marriage and vice versa.
 
Quag said:
No you are posting nonsense. I am pointing it out
Adultery requires marriage, not monogamy.
Your "argument" is nothing but a rambling pile of nonsense based pn your failure to understand science of evolution (which you dont even believe) and your failure to comprehend that monogamy is not marriage and vice versa.
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Take it on the arches, buddy. The concept of adultery implies some sort of obligation of sexual exclusivity.
 
Angel said:
Take it on the arches, buddy. The concept of adultery implies some sort of obligation of sexual exclusivity.
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It requires marriage and it can occur in a polygamous marriage.
 
Angel said:
Now you're just trying to yank my chain. Shame on you. Now take a hike.
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I wouldn't want to yank anything.

You relieve yourself from this section and stick to theology where people will agree with you that there's a god.
 
Angel said:
For newcomers and old jive talkers.
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Your arument doesn't stand.

Because evolution has nothing to say about marriage or what any species should do. It merely seeks to explain the changes over time in a species.
 
Rich2018 said:
Your arument doesn't stand.

Because evolution has nothing to say about marriage or what any species should do. It merely seeks to explain the changes over time in a species.
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Your criticism of my argument doesn't stand.
My argument does not claim that evolutionary biology has anything to say about marriage.
Read better and think more.
 
Rich2018 said:
I wouldn't want to yank anything.

You relieve yourself from this section and stick to theology where people will agree with you that there's a god.
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Your reactions to my correction of your mistaken grammatical point and to my correction of your mistaken notions about limericks are the epitome of bad faith.
They mirror what I recall about your posts in Beliefs and Skepticism.
We have nothing more to say to each other as far as I'm concerned.
Peace out.
 
Angel said:
Your criticism of my argument doesn't stand.
My argument does not claim that evolutionary biology has anything to say about marriage.
Read better and think more.
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Good

Then there is NO good, non religious argument against same sex marriage.
 
Angel said:
Your reactions to my correction of your mistaken grammatical point and to my correction of your mistaken notions about limericks are the epitome of bad faith.
They mirror what I recall about your posts in Beliefs and Skepticism.
We have nothing more to say to each other as far as I'm concerned.
Peace out.
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Perish he thought that you would correct me.

You made a simple grammar mistake.

If you don't want to risk the uncomfortable feeling of being wrong, take your own advice and hike.
 
Rich2018 said:
Good

Then there is NO good, non religious argument against same sex marriage.
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"Then there is NO good, non religious argument against same sex marriage" that you are able to understand.
 
Angel said:
"Then there is NO good, non religious argument against same sex marriage" that you are able to understand.
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That anyone can understand.

And don't mention evolution, we've already shown you don't understand it.
 
Rich2018 said:
Perish he thought that you would correct me.

You made a simple grammar mistake.

If you don't want to risk the uncomfortable feeling of being wrong, take your own advice and hike.
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Only on the internet does ignorance posture and crow after correction by knowledge. It has something to do with anonymity and unaccountability.
Our exchange is a matter of record, Rich. But keep posturing and crowing if it soothes the bruised ego.
Get your last word in and then get out of my face.
 
Rich2018 said:
That anyone can understand.

And don't mention evolution, we've already shown you don't understand it.
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This is comedy gold
Angel said:
All the premises you find laughably specious are drawn from evolutionary biology. Do you not buy into that mythology?
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Angel said:
Your criticism of my argument doesn't stand.
My argument does not claim that evolutionary biology has anything to say about marriage.
Read better and think more.
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It fun to watch Angel tie himself into knots trying to avoid actually defending his nonsense
 
Angel said:
"Then there is NO good, nonreligious argument against same-sex marriage" that you are able to understand.
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Your argument is opposing all marriage on specious claims and not just same-sex/gender marriage. There is a difference that you do not want to accept. The premise of this thread is that there are no non-religious based arguments that support heterosexual marriage while they also oppose LGBT marriage.
 
Lisa said:
Your argument is opposing all marriage on specious claims and not just same-sex/gender marriage. There is a difference that you do not want to accept. The premise of this thread is that there are no non-religious based arguments that support heterosexual marriage while they also oppose LGBT marriage.
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You've charged "specious claims" before and I've asked you to produce the specious claims. I ask again.

And here is the OP for this thread. Where do you find the premise asserting "that there are no non-religious based arguments that support heterosexual marriage while they also oppose LGBT marriage"? I don't see it.

Somerville said:
With the recent news from Brunei about imposing the death penalty on gays and adulterers, I've been wondering just what is the justification fo opposing gay marriage. Why do some people really hate homosexuals, whether male or female?

Here's a list of arguments against same sex marriage that I found on the internets:
  2. It requires a new definition of marriage
  3. Not the same as laws that prohibited mixed race marriages
  4. Marriage is meant to increase population
  5. Infringes upon some peoples' religion freedom
  6. Rights are granted by God and He doesn't like gay marriage
  7. Morality comes from God and He doesn't like the gays
  8. Acceptance of gay marriage will lead to incest and paedophilia
  9. Homosexuals are unhealthy – that whole AIDS thing, you know.
  10. Allowing gay marriage will cause societal collapse, as other immoral behaviour becomes more accepted.
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Angel said:
....here's is the OP for this thread. Where do you find the premise asserting "that there are no non-religious based arguments that support heterosexual marriage while they also oppose LGBT marriage"? I don't see it

It requires a new definition of marriage
Not the same as laws that prohibited mixed race marriages
Marriage is meant to increase population
Infringes upon some peoples' religion freedom
Rights are granted by God and He doesn't like gay marriage
Morality comes from God and He doesn't like the gays
Acceptance of gay marriage will lead to incest and paedophilia
Homosexuals are unhealthy – that whole AIDS thing, you know.
Allowing gay marriage will cause societal collapse, as other immoral behaviour becomes more accepted.
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1. No it doesn't
2. So what, not an argument against SSM
3. Says who? And who says a SSM can't include children? Are you not aware of the foster process or the thousands of kids waiting for a family?
4. No it doesn't
5. Religious argument
6. Religious argument
7. How? For god's sake how? (denying priest the institution of marriage does)
8. Yeah, right
9. And the world will end....especially if they take a knee during the national anthem or vote against Trump.
 
Angel said:
You've charged "specious claims" before and I've asked you to produce the specious claims. I ask again.

And here is the OP for this thread. Where do you find the premise asserting "that there are no non-religious based arguments that support heterosexual marriage while they also oppose LGBT marriage"? I don't see it.
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How is a different definition of what marriage is? It is still two adults being joined in a civil contract.

How is LGBT marriage equality different than mixed-race marriage?

Marriage is irrelevant to increasing the population. You do not need to be married to procreate. Are heteros couples required to procreate as part of their marriage? Are post-menopausal and infertile people banned from marrying?

Whose religious freedom is in any way infringed because two people of the same gender are married any more than when two people of different races or different religions are married by the state? You do not have the right not to be insulted by the actions of others. Two couples were getting hitched in a religious commitment ceremonies and they bought cakes and other items as part of their reception.

God does not grant us rights because of that did then only people of that religion would have rights. Our religious and secular rights recognized by the state are granted by group agreement.

Morality, except for the golden rule is a religious idea. The state is forbidden from supporting or enforcing religious law by the Establishment Clause. There are as many ideas of what any religion belies is morals as there are of who is god and what sect they are part of. Muslims believe that alcohol and pork are immoral, so you do also want to beer and bacon them because of their religious belief?

How does LGBT marriage have anything to do with incest, bestiality, or pedophilia? Your argument is a slippery slope logical fallacy.

AIDS is not limited to gay sex. Heteros also take part in anal sex as well as the drug use that is the most common risk factor now. Do you want to ban Jews from marrying because of Tay-Sachs disease that commonly appears in their offspring?

LGBT marriage has been the law for 3+ years, so when does this collapse start because nothing untoward is happening now.
 
Lisa said:
How is a different definition of what marriage is? It is still two adults being joined in a civil contract.

How is LGBT marriage equality different than mixed-race marriage?

Marriage is irrelevant to increasing the population. You do not need to be married to procreate. Are heteros couples required to procreate as part of their marriage? Are post-menopausal and infertile people banned from marrying?

Whose religious freedom is in any way infringed because two people of the same gender are married any more than when two people of different races or different religions are married by the state? You do not have the right not to be insulted by the actions of others. Two couples were getting hitched in a religious commitment ceremonies and they bought cakes and other items as part of their reception.

God does not grant us rights because of that did then only people of that religion would have rights. Our religious and secular rights recognized by the state are granted by group agreement.

Morality, except for the golden rule is a religious idea. The state is forbidden from supporting or enforcing religious law by the Establishment Clause. There are as many ideas of what any religion belies is morals as there are of who is god and what sect they are part of. Muslims believe that alcohol and pork are immoral, so you do also want to beer and bacon them because of their religious belief?

How does LGBT marriage have anything to do with incest, bestiality, or pedophilia? Your argument is a slippery slope logical fallacy.

AIDS is not limited to gay sex. Heteros also take part in anal sex as well as the drug use that is the most common risk factor now. Do you want to ban Jews from marrying because of Tay-Sachs disease that commonly appears in their offspring?

LGBT marriage has been the law for 3+ years, so when does this collapse start because nothing untoward is happening now.
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So you've replied to Somerville's list of points. But you haven't answered my challenge:
Where do you find the premise asserting "that there are no non-religious based arguments that support heterosexual marriage while they also oppose LGBT marriage"? I don't see it
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And so you haven't backed up your claim that this thread asserts the premise "that there are no non-religious based arguments that support heterosexual marriage while they also oppose LGBT marriage."
That, in fact, is just a mantra of your pal Rich2018, not the theme of the thread.
 
Angel said:
So you've replied to Somerville's list of points. But you haven't answered my challenge:

And so you haven't backed up your claim that this thread asserts the premise "that there are no non-religious based arguments that support heterosexual marriage while they also oppose LGBT marriage."
That, in fact, is just a mantra of your pal Rich2018, not the theme of the thread.
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Youve already been busted here time for you to start a new thread
 
Rich2018 said:
Good

Then there is NO good, non religious argument against same sex marriage.
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It excludes closely related couples of the same sex with no rational justification and therefore unconstitutional discrimination.
 
Somerville said:
With the recent news from Brunei about imposing the death penalty on gays and adulterers, I've been wondering just what is the justification fo opposing gay marriage. Why do some people really hate homosexuals, whether male or female?

Here's a list of arguments against same sex marriage that I found on the internets:
  2. It requires a new definition of marriage
  3. Not the same as laws that prohibited mixed race marriages
  4. Marriage is meant to increase population
  5. Infringes upon some peoples' religion freedom
  6. Rights are granted by God and He doesn't like gay marriage
  7. Morality comes from God and He doesn't like the gays
  8. Acceptance of gay marriage will lead to incest and paedophilia
  9. Homosexuals are unhealthy – that whole AIDS thing, you know.
  10. Allowing gay marriage will cause societal collapse, as other immoral behaviour becomes more accepted.
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How about "I'm for smaller government, and I want to tell everyone else what to do, because it's my religious right which trumps any rights you have"?????
 
dixon01767 said:
It excludes closely related couples of the same sex with no rational justification and therefore unconstitutional discrimination.
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How would same sex marriage condone "closely related couples" ?

Do you mean SSM allows for same sex siblings to marry but not opposite sex siblings?
 
Rich2018 said:
How would same sex marriage condone "closely related couples" ?

Do you mean SSM allows for same sex siblings to marry but not opposite sex siblings?
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All 50 states exclude both same and opposite sex people who are closely related from marrying. Pretty much the opposite of "condone". I limited my argument to closely related people of the same sex so I didnt again have to hear about genetic effects of closely related couples breeding.
 
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