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[W:3596] Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

Deuce said:
Hospital visitation rights and medical power of attorney are extremely important. The pain caused by denying them is immense.
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Thats hospital policy having nothing to do with the law and Medical power of attorneys are easily executed by anyone.
 
dixon01767 said:
That would be the same facts youve labeled as feelings 10 times in the past. Really no point going through it again.
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and another dodge and lie

Translation: you cant, thats what I thought......If you could you would just do it and teach all of us a lesson, we all know it but its so fun to ask and watch your lies continue to crash and burn over and over again.
so for further entertainment here we go again

please provide the following

A.) What facts are you referring to that i labeled as feelings. Please quote me doing so then prove they are facts and an argument against same-sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract.
B.) Please list one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one based on facts and prove it.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
 
dixon01767 said:
Thats hospital policy having nothing to do with the law and Medical power of attorneys are easily executed by anyone.
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Rights and responsibilities of marriages in the United States - Wikipedia
There is a lot more than having a power of attorney to marriage.
It is a convient way to bundle these all together. Now sure you could do it separately but it would be difficult and expensive or you could pick and choose certain aspects, might work for some but mariage works for most and is far easier.

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dixon01767 said:
Thats hospital policy having nothing to do with the law and Medical power of attorneys are easily executed by anyone.
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Joint tax filing. Automatic medical power of attorney. (lawyers aren't cheap) Inheritance without estate taxes. Child custody. International travel with children. Social security benefits. Military death benefits. There are hundreds of benefits granted to married couples that are denied to unmarried couples.

Pretending there is no harm iis ridiculous. You might think it's minimal. You're wrong, and it wouldn't be relevant. There's harm, so you must specify an interest furthered that justifies this harm.



 
Quag said:
Rights and responsibilities of marriages in the United States - Wikipedia
There is a lot more than having a power of attorney to marriage.
It is a convient way to bundle these all together. Now sure you could do it separately but it would be difficult and expensive or you could pick and choose certain aspects, might work for some but mariage works for most and is far easier.
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Which ones does the absence of cause "harm" or "immense" "pain"? Most of the population isnt married and dont seem to be experiencing this harm or pain you speak of.
 
dixon01767 said:
Which ones does the absence of cause "harm" or "immense" "pain"? Most of the population isnt married and dont seem to be experiencing this harm or pain you speak of.
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What a silly question
First I never mentioned harm or pain but more importantly why would someone who doesn't want to be married to another person be harmed by not being married?
 
Deuce said:
Joint tax filing. Automatic medical power of attorney. (lawyers aren't cheap) Inheritance without estate taxes. Child custody. International travel with children. Social security benefits. Military death benefits. There are hundreds of benefits granted to married couples that are denied to unmarried couples.

Pretending there is no harm iis ridiculous. You might think it's minimal. You're wrong, and it wouldn't be relevant. There's harm, so you must specify an interest furthered that justifies this harm.
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No, we have gay marriage so no need to justify any such thing. You need to justify excluding the unmarried couples from these benefits and excluding closely related couples prohibited from marriage and the benefits. you must specify an interest furthered that justifies this harm because Im the one advocating an end to the discrimination.
 
dixon01767 said:
No, we have gay marriage so no need to justify any such thing. You need to justify excluding the unmarried couples from these benefits and excluding closely related couples prohibited from marriage and the benefits. you must specify an interest furthered that justifies this harm because of Im the one advocating an end to the discrimination.
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another failed deflection . . . . 100% wrong again
what you request is on YOU and nobody else because this thread is about same sex marriage
if you want something else besides legal marriage (hetero/homo sexul) fight for it but your feeligns about that or anything else are factually meanignless to same sex marriage which facts have proven over and over again and you have zero to change that.

When one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one..... based on facts and can prove it please let us know.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
 
Quag said:
What a silly question
First I never mentioned harm or pain
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My bad, that was Deuce.

Quag said:
but more importantly why would someone who doesn't want to be married to another person be harmed by not being married?
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By not getting any of the benefits of marriage. I would dispute Deuces assertion that it cause "harm" or "immense" "pain". If it were, they would probably marry.
 
dixon01767 said:
My bad, that was Deuce.
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By not getting any of the benefits of marriage. I would dispute Deuces assertion that it cause "harm" or "immense" "pain". If it were, they would probably marry.
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Not getting something because you choose not to is not comparable to not be allowed to have something you want and others can get, based on your sexual orientation.
 
Quag said:
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Not getting something because you choose not to is not comparable to not be allowed to have something you want and others can get, based on your sexual orientation.
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The effect is identical. I know a couple who has been together 30 years, couple kids. She is an atheist and kind of rabid feminist. Sees marriage as nothing but the patriarchy of religion in the law. What purpose of the government is served by excluding them from the tax breaks and governmental entitlements.
And nobody was denied marriage because of their sexual orientation. Ones sexual orientation was irrelevant to marriage law. Most of the handful of gay men I know in the 40s and 50s used to be married, even have a couple kids.
 
dixon01767 said:
The effect is identical. I know a couple who has been together 30 years, couple kids. She is an atheist and kind of rabid feminist. Sees marriage as nothing but the patriarchy of religion in the law. What purpose of the government is served by excluding them from the tax breaks and governmental entitlements.
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Marriage is more than tax breaks and govt entitlements if they choose not to avail themselves of the rights and RESPONSABILITIES marriage entails it is their choice, they are not being excluded by the government.


And nobody was denied marriage because of their sexual orientation. Ones sexual orientation was irrelevant to marriage law. Most of the handful of gay men I know in the 40s and 50s used to be married, even have a couple kids.
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Two people of the same sex getting married is what I was talking about but I have no doubt you already knew that, though I could have worded it better I saw no reason to as the meaning should have been clear.
 
dixon01767 said:
No, we have gay marriage so no need to justify any such thing. You need to justify excluding the unmarried couples from these benefits and excluding closely related couples prohibited from marriage and the benefits. you must specify an interest furthered that justifies this harm because Im the one advocating an end to the discrimination.
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You were arguing against gay marriage by providing a rational basis for banning it. ****, forget it. You can't even follow your own conversations.

Unmarried couples are not excluded from the benefits. They can sign up and get them like everybody else.
 
Quag said:
Marriage is more than tax breaks and govt entitlements if they choose not to avail themselves of the rights and RESPONSABILITIES marriage entails it is their choice, they are not being excluded by the government.



Two people of the same sex getting married is what I was talking about but I have no doubt you already knew that, though I could have worded it better I saw no reason to as the meaning should have been clear.
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You said it was "based on your sexual orientation" when the law had no concern whatsoever as to someones sexual orientation.
 
dixon01767 said:
You said it was "based on your sexual orientation" when the law had no concern whatsoever as to someones sexual orientation.
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Marriage is more than tax breaks and govt entitlements if they choose not to avail themselves of the rights and RESPONSABILITIES marriage entails it is their choice, they are not being excluded by the government.
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That was thew salient point that you didnt adress
 
Deuce said:
You were arguing against gay marriage by providing a rational basis for banning it. ****, forget it. You can't even follow your own conversations.
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To review

Deuce said:
You still haven't provided the rational basis for a same sex marriage ban.
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dixon01767 said:
Thats because I was making an "Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage". But since you ask, the same rational basis used pre 21st century.
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That was the rational basis used.
 
dixon01767 said:
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That was the rational basis used.
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And yet its still not one for a same sex marriage band hence why same sex marriage exist per court cases that do not agree with your . . . . . . wait for it . . . . . FEELINGS

When one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one..... based on facts and can prove it please let us know.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
 
AGENT J said:
And yet its still not one for a same sex marriage band hence why same sex marriage exist per court cases that do not agree with your . . . . . . wait for it . . . . . FEELINGS

When one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one..... based on facts and can prove it please let us know.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
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Like a broken record skipping back to the same thing over and over in a continuous loop.
 
dixon01767 said:
Like a broken record skipping back to the same thing over and over in a continuous loop.
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Yep dont need anything knew when the same facts defeat your claims at every single turn

When one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one..... based on facts and can prove it please let us know.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
 
AGENT J said:
Yep dont need anything knew when the same facts defeat your claims at every single turn
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Labeling facts as "feelings" defeats nothing other than any perception that you had anything relevant to contribute to the debate.
 
dixon01767 said:
Labeling facts as "feelings" defeats nothing other than any perception that you had anything relevant to contribute to the debate.
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Every time you post this lie it fails because again you have ZERO facts to support it, its hilarious that you think it works . . you know based on . . your feelings . . but yet it fails every time. Hence why you arent even trying any more because you understand you have no factual arguments against same sex marriage and its awesome!

When one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one..... based on facts and can prove it please let us know.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
 
AGENT J said:
Every time you post this lie it fails because again you have ZERO facts to support it, its hilarious that you think it works . . you know based on . . your feelings . . but yet it fails every time. Hence why you arent even trying any more because you understand you have no factual arguments against same sex marriage and its awesome!

When one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one..... based on facts and can prove it please let us know.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
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Just the same one Ive always had. Its unconstitutional discrimination, at a minimum, against someone who is prohibited from marriage because they are closely related. And I would argue, unconstituional discrimination between the married and unmarried.
 
dixon01767 said:
Just the same one Ive always had. Its unconstitutional discrimination, at a minimum, against someone who is prohibited from marriage because they are closely related. And I would argue, unconstituional discrimination between the married and unmarried.
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And much to our delight that "argument" has failed and lost countless times to facts ,laws and rights because of theres nothing that supports your claims just your feelings. . You havent been able to post one fact that supports your feelings and makes them matter to rights, laws and the legal marriage contract especially just against same-sex marriage . .

soooooo here we are in the same spot, us with facts and your feelings still getting the **** kicked out of them

When you have one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one..... based on facts and can prove it please let us know.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
 
AGENT J said:
And much to our delight that "argument" has failed and lost countless times to facts ,laws and rights.....
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What "facts ,laws and rights" would that be?
 
dixon01767 said:
What "facts ,laws and rights" would that be?
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Nice try but we aren't going to rehash the 2000 posts here, youve brought them up yourself. Its YOUR job to support YOUR "argument" with facts that make it legit and matter to laws and rights. 2000 posts in you got zip zero zilch nada and its hilarious. You can bring something more than your FEELINGS to the table or you cant. Its pretty simple . .

soooooo here we are in the same spot, us with facts and your feelings still getting the **** kicked out of them

When you have one valid argument against same sex marriage regarding rights, laws and the legal marriage contract . . . one..... based on facts and can prove it please let us know.

we'll be waiting, thanks!
 
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