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[W:3596] Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

dixon01767 said:
Well, it was your side who insisted it was an inherent, unchangeable trait of the individual, like race, and therefore subject to heightened scrutiny in equal protection law. Seems absurd to insist that some one is born gay or straight, while which sex you are can vary from one day to the next.
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so you might wake up homosexul one day?

well ok

still dosent seem like a choice on your part

more improtlalty it dosent seem like any kind of threat so society


why should i discriminate against you if you want to marry a man?

or discriminate against you at all?
 
blarg said:
so you might wake up homosexul one day?
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Well, according to the APA, the people who identify and treat mental disorders, the people who insist they are the authority on sexual orientation, I could decide tomorrow to identify as a female and become a raging lesbian.
 
dixon01767 said:
Well, according to the APA, the people who identify and treat mental disorders, the people who insist they are the authority on sexual orientation, I could decide tomorrow to identify as a female and become a raging lesbian.
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so you might wake up as homosexul man one day?

still dosent seem like a choice
 
Wow. 178 pages and still not one, single rational argument against SSM.

I'd say 'sad', but it's actually just pathetic.
 
AmIsraelHai said:
Come on, you can't compare that situation.....its totally different
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You said that the reason you are against gay marriage is because children need a mom and a dad. If one of them dies, then a child doesn't have a mom and a dad. What should the government do about that?
 
lwf said:
You said that the reason you are against gay marriage is because children need a mom and a dad. If one of them dies, then a child doesn't have a mom and a dad. What should the government do about that?
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I never said anything about the gay marriage. I spoke about adopting kids by LGBT
 
dixon01767 said:
Made up nonsense, used to make sense out of a reality that makes no sense to you.

Most of it is a joke. The gay brain studies for instance.
"Symmetry of Homosexual Brain Resembles That Of Opposite Sex, Swedish Study Finds".
"Gay Brain Structure Similar to Straight Opposite Sex"
"Homosexual brain resembles that of opposite sex"
"Scientists Link Brain Symmetry, Sexual Orientation",
"Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex"

What did the study actually show?



So 50% of the homosexual male brains resembled 52% of the heterosexual female brains, the other 50% DID NOT resemble those brains.
And 55% of the homosexual female brains resembled 56% of the heterosexual male brains. The other 45 % DID NOT resemble those brains. Thats the entire basis of this much heralded "gay brain". All examined were adults.
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Forgive me for saying so, but you're giving the impression that you have a certain opinion of homosexuality that you wish to sustain, as opposed to being impartial and open minded in your consideration. I am sure this is not the case.
 
AmIsraelHai said:
I never said anything about the gay marriage. I spoke about adopting kids by LGBT
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My mistake. I was referring to the thread title. So I get the impression that you're in favor of same-sex marriage, but against LGBT folks adopting kids because kids need a mom and a dad? How do you feel about single parent adoption? Should that be outlawed? The problem with this is that there are more children that need adopting than there are heterosexual married couples to adopt them. In this scenario, arguing against single parent adoption or same sex couple adoption is essentially arguing that it is better for children to have no parents than it is for them to have only one parent, or two parents of the same sex. Do you think agree with this?
 
lwf said:
My mistake. I was referring to the thread title. So I get the impression that you're in favor of same-sex marriage, but against LGBT folks adopting kids because kids need a mom and a dad? How do you feel about single parent adoption? Should that be outlawed? The problem with this is that there are more children that need adopting than there are heterosexual married couples to adopt them. In this scenario, arguing against single parent adoption or same sex couple adoption is essentially arguing that it is better for children to have no parents than it is for them to have only one parent, or two parents of the same sex. Do you think agree with this?
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I have no problems with single parent adopting, as long there is a mom and a dad
 
TheGoverness said:
Same here. I didn't want to like girls, but it's not like I can do anything to change that. It's better for me to be out and happy, with a girlfriend that loves me, than trying to live my life as a lie pretending to be straight.
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As long as that's the way you are , you are fortunate to be born in this time period. Even 10 years ago , there was a lot more resistance to people who were not straight. It's not 100% yet, but the change in attitude about homosexuals shifted a lot farther in the last 10 to 15 years than I would have thought possible. You still have idiots and jerks, but they don't have as much sway over things.
 
AmIsraelHai said:
I have no problems with single parent adopting, as long there is a mom and a dad
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Single parent adoption means there will only be a mom or a dad. Not both. Is this something that should be allowed?
 
blarg said:
so you might wake up as homosexul man one day?

still dosent seem like a choice
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Not me. The biological drive that compels an attraction to the opposite sex still controls.
Every day bisexuals choose to identify as either homosexual or heterosexual. I know a divorced with three kids, over weight and balding in his 50s who identifies as a homosexual because he gets laid all the time while identifying as a divorced with three kids, over weight and balding in his 50s heterosexual, he never did.

Welcome to the 21st century.

...the emergence of "plastic sexuality," "confluent love," and the "pure relationship" as democratic and desirable alternatives to a sexuality harnessed to reproduction, love based on addictive or co-dependent relationships, and the rights and obligations of traditional marriage. The separation of sexuality from procreation entails its freedom from heterosexuality and its emergence as an individual attribute, something individuals can develop, enjoy, change or project as part of their changing definition of the self. Sexuality becomes plastic because the self itself has broken the bounds of traditional institutional expectations and it is now free to constitute and reconstitute itself in a series of narratives answering to nothing else but the growing freedom of individuals to develop their potential.
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lwf said:
Single parent adoption means there will only be a mom or a dad. Not both. Is this something that should be allowed?
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I think a man and a woman should be the preferred option as it most closely replaces what is missing from the childs life, their mom and dad. Of course this enrages the gays so generally such preferences arent tolerated under US equal protection law. Either under the argument that a preference for a mom and dad has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the children and it is instead all just a nefarious plot to "disparage and injure" homosexuals, Or that instead of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, it is instead discrimination on the basis of sex, based upon out of date stereotypes of mens and womens roles.
 
dixon01767 said:
I think a man and a woman should be the preferred option as it most closely replaces what is missing from the childs life, their mom and dad. Of course this enrages the gays so generally such preferences arent tolerated under US equal protection law. Either under the argument that a preference for a mom and dad has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the children and it is instead all just a nefarious plot to "disparage and injure" homosexuals, Or that instead of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, it is instead discrimination on the basis of sex, based upon out of date stereotypes of mens and womens roles.
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I think the preferred option should be stability. And in addition to financial and emotional stability, social stability is important as well. For instance, a financially and emotionally stable heterosexual married couple living out in the wilderness away from other families who intends to home-school the child should be passed over in favor of a financially and emotionally stable same sex married couple who lives in a city in close proximity to other families and who intends to send the child to a public or private school with other children. Why? Because good influences representing all types of people are important for the social development of the child, and the same sex couple, (say they are men) would actually provide the child with more access to good female role models than the heterosexual couple would out in the wilderness.

Good role models are vitally important to a child's social stability. The more the better. While parents must be good role models, they cannot be the only role models. Therefore, the genders of the parents are irrelevant. Whatever role-modelling a child misses receiving from a same sex couple can and must be supplemented by spending time with family and friends, and hetero couples alone are not sufficient to provide a child with enough role models to establish social stability. So parents of any gender combination are in the same boat. So long as the child is exposed to good role models of as many different sexes, gender expressions, races, sexual orientations, cultures, and religions as possible, the child will develop properly.
 
dixon01767 said:
Not me. The biological drive that compels an attraction to the opposite sex still controls.
Every day bisexuals choose to identify as either homosexual or heterosexual. I know a divorced with three kids, over weight and balding in his 50s who identifies as a homosexual because he gets laid all the time while identifying as a divorced with three kids, over weight and balding in his 50s heterosexual, he never did.

Welcome to the 21st century.

...the emergence of "plastic sexuality," "confluent love," and the "pure relationship" as democratic and desirable alternatives to a sexuality harnessed to reproduction, love based on addictive or co-dependent relationships, and the rights and obligations of traditional marriage. The separation of sexuality from procreation entails its freedom from heterosexuality and its emergence as an individual attribute, something individuals can develop, enjoy, change or project as part of their changing definition of the self. Sexuality becomes plastic because the self itself has broken the bounds of traditional institutional expectations and it is now free to constitute and reconstitute itself in a series of narratives answering to nothing else but the growing freedom of individuals to develop their potential.
Page Not Found | University of Colorado Boulder
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why not you? if it happens to other people

are you saiyng we are all bi sexual?

they might choose to be with a man or a woman but if ther bi how are they choosing to be attracted to both sexes?
 
Logician Man said:
I had a sibling who went through the same thing, TG. And this was back in the late 50's and 60's. Ultra-religious Southern Baptist mother who prayed, bitched, beat down, judged, and condemned until the suicide actually went down ( on the 3rd attempt ). I had to find his body almost 2 days post mortem. Not a pleasant experience.
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So sorry for your family and your loss. I hope you have found some peace.
 
lwf said:
I think the preferred option should be stability. And in addition to financial and emotional stability, social stability is important as well. For instance, a financially and emotionally stable heterosexual married couple living out in the wilderness away from other families who intends to home-school the child should be passed over in favor of a financially and emotionally stable same sex married couple who lives in a city in close proximity to other families and who intends to send the child to a public or private school with other children. Why? Because good influences representing all types of people are important for the social development of the child, and the same sex couple, (say they are men) would actually provide the child with more access to good female role models than the heterosexual couple would out in the wilderness.

Good role models are vitally important to a child's social stability. The more the better. While parents must be good role models, they cannot be the only role models. Therefore, the genders of the parents are irrelevant. Whatever role-modelling a child misses receiving from a same sex couple can and must be supplemented by spending time with family and friends, and hetero couples alone are not sufficient to provide a child with enough role models to establish social stability. So parents of any gender combination are in the same boat. So long as the child is exposed to good role models of as many different sexes, gender expressions, races, sexual orientations, cultures, and religions as possible, the child will develop properly.
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Revealing that you want to give preference to city dwellers who send their kids to public schools but cant tolerate a preference for a mom and a dad.
 
blarg said:
they might choose to be with a man or a woman but if ther bi how are they choosing to be attracted to both sexes?
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They are CHOOSING to identify as homosexual or heterosexual even though they are attracted to both sexes.
 
dixon01767 said:
Well, it was your side who insisted it was an inherent, unchangeable trait of the individual, like race, and therefore subject to heightened scrutiny in equal protection law. Seems absurd to insist that some one is born gay or straight, while which sex you are can vary from one day to the next.
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I never said this sex that you are could vary
 
dixon01767 said:
They are CHOOSING to identify as homosexual or heterosexual even though they are attracted to both sexes.
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i guess they are but who they want to be with and who gay people want to be with and who heterosexuals want to be with still don't seem to be a choice
 
dixon01767 said:
Made up nonsense, used to make sense out of a reality that makes no sense to you.

Most of it is a joke. The gay brain studies for instance.
"Symmetry of Homosexual Brain Resembles That Of Opposite Sex, Swedish Study Finds".
"Gay Brain Structure Similar to Straight Opposite Sex"
"Homosexual brain resembles that of opposite sex"
"Scientists Link Brain Symmetry, Sexual Orientation",
"Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex"

What did the study actually show?



So 50% of the homosexual male brains resembled 52% of the heterosexual female brains, the other 50% DID NOT resemble those brains.
And 55% of the homosexual female brains resembled 56% of the heterosexual male brains. The other 45 % DID NOT resemble those brains. Thats the entire basis of this much heralded "gay brain". All examined were adults.
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You're having some confirmation bias. The studies claim was not that 100% of gay people a particular brain structure. New study about anything ever says that. That's not how science works. It showed a trend. How this compares to ordinary heterosexual people we don't know.

I just think that you don't want anything to suggest that it is an immutable characteristic. Due to some religious or the other irrational belief you hold.

This seems to be the basis of all confirmation bias.
 
blarg said:
i guess they are but who they want to be with and who gay people want to be with and who heterosexuals want to be with still don't seem to be a choice
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Well, its a choice like my preference for chocolate ice cream over vanilla.
 
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