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[W:3596] Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

What a bunch of bigoted, religious right bull****.

Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission - Wikipedia

The opinion stated that ...a State decision in an adjudication “in which religious hostility on the part of the State itself” is a factor violates the "State’s obligation of religious neutrality". Kennedy's opinion stated that the Commission's review of Phillips' case exhibited hostility towards his religious views. Kennedy's opinion noted that he may have been inclined to rule in favor of the Commission if they had remained religiously neutral in their evaluation.[28]

You can call it what you want, but this has already been reviewed countless times and decide by the Supreme Court. It was determined that the laws and rulings were being unfairly applied in cases concerned with particular (Christian) beliefs. This is evidence of my initial point which I've reiterated here; the gay movement, and the laws which come with it, impede on religious rights. The Supreme Court agrees with me in saying that in this above case, the law was applied differently than it usually would because the State showed particular hostility towards the baker's religion, which is a violation of religious freedom and the obligation of religious neutrality.

So no, it's not a load of ****, it's a matter of maintaining what makes the free world free, which you clearly have a problem with.
 
Government marriage is a sham. Anyone who has had to go through a divorce knows this. It's just not worth it anymore.

That fact that aside... the social and family fabric is not being threatened by gay marriage. It has already been under threat for years due to the degeneracy of late stage capitalism that has come between family relations in order to maximize profits. Women's liberation and the single parent family were all put forth after WWII when it was realized it could greatly maximize productivity. It's just economics.

Gay people just want equal access to the same degenerating institution that hetero people have, and I say let them. They can experience the misery for themselves just to feel that momentary glow of validation form an institution that doesn't actually care about their well being.

As for Brunei... any culture that stones people to death as a form of punishment is not worth comparing to the United States or any civilized nation. I hate the word "civilized" because it's so loaded, but in this case it can't be avoided. Only a government run by ideological savages would be that draconian and cruel.
 
I am against same sex marriages w/out referring to the Bible. I understand there are so many of us afraid to speak out against these marriages but I don't agree with the punishment.
Well, it's legal, deal with it.
 
Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission - Wikipedia



You can call it what you want, but this has already been reviewed countless times and decide by the Supreme Court. It was determined that the laws and rulings were being unfairly applied in cases concerned with particular (Christian) beliefs. This is evidence of my initial point which I've reiterated here; the gay movement, and the laws which come with it, impede on religious rights. The Supreme Court agrees with me in saying that in this above case, the law was applied differently than it usually would because the State showed particular hostility towards the baker's religion, which is a violation of religious freedom and the obligation of religious neutrality.

So no, it's not a load of ****, it's a matter of maintaining what makes the free world free, which you clearly have a problem with.

There is no, "Gay movement"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You act like there are an army of gay folks trying to ram their lifestyle down your throat! Gay folks just want to be left alone and live their lives!

People like you try to push your version of what morality is down their throats.

You don't realize how horrible you are. So sad.
 
There is no, "Gay movement"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You act like there are an army of gay folks trying to ram their lifestyle down your throat! Gay folks just want to be left alone and live their lives!

People like you try to push your version of what morality is down their throats.

You don't realize how horrible you are. So sad.

Guess there's no such thing as gay activist groups, so I'm just imagining all those programs of gay acceptance being rammed into schools, the annual mardi gras, and gay couples going out of their way to legally target Christian owners. Total imagination.
 
Guess there's no such thing as gay activist groups, so I'm just imagining all those programs of gay acceptance being rammed into schools, the annual mardi gras, and gay couples going out of their way to legally target Christian owners. Total imagination.

This comment: "gay couples going out of their way to legally target Christian owners" is freakin' hilarious. In the Masterpiece Cakeshop and another case in Washington, the gay customers had bought cakes from the bakeries in the past. There was no 'targeting' of the Christian owners because the customers liked what they had purchased before and thought requesting a wedding cake was no big deal. It was only when the bakers refused to make wedding cakes did the customers know the bakers didn't much like the gays.

Then there was your attempt to match the Muslim baker in Crowder's edited video to the baker in Colorado - the Muslim baker didn't make wedding cakes for anybody, they only baked bread, so not quite the same.

I guess all those "programs of gay acceptance" aren't the result of bullying and physical attacks on gay kids because no Christian would ever countenance such nastiness.
 
Guess there's no such thing as gay activist groups, so I'm just imagining all those programs of gay acceptance being rammed into schools, the annual mardi gras, and gay couples going out of their way to legally target Christian owners. Total imagination.
What about gay people that don't match at Mardi Gras? Do they deserve your hatred as well?

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The problem most rational people have with gay marriage is that it has and will continue to tread dangerously on religious rights. This was initially washed away as a "slippery-slope" or "fear-mongering" argument, but nobody can deny many of them haven't come to fruition.

First and foremost is that a morally grounded society cannot encourage or facilitate homosexuality. The medical data is clear on this. It's a dangerously unhealthy lifestyle for the individual and carries a high risk of depression, STD, HIV, among other things. To counter the usual explanation for this, there is no clear link between treatment of gays and overall mental health of said gays (otherwise, gays in ultra-liberal places would in a constant state of euphoria given how much homosexuality is glorified in these places). To add to this, there is the tendency of gay individuals to act in a very certain way (upright posture, strutting buttock, forced accent and lisp etc), as well as for gay couples to often delegate the role of dedicated male and female among each partner, indicating that there is more here than simply a sexual orientation. Homosexuality is a state of confusion and embodiment of mental tendencies which should be addressed and controlled, not celebrated.

Further, the bigger issue with this is that almost all major religions (which, like it or not are here to stay) condemn homosexuality. Followers of said religions should have the right to uphold these religious beliefs. That means if I choose not to take part in a gay wedding, the government should not be able to force me to do so, anymore than the government cannot force an atheist to attend mass or a Muslim to eat pork. That's a violation of religious freedom. So while I don't directly have a problem with what gays do in their own personal lives, I do have a problem when they try to destroy my livelihood because what I do in my own personal life. What ever happened to live and let live or tolerance, the staples of the gay movement? They went out the window as soon as gays gained a voice.

Then there's the issue of gay adoption, which is clear-cut child abuse. Should I pass away tomorrow and have nobody but the State to care for my children, I should have the right to mandate that my kids, born of a religious bond between a man and a woman, are not put into the care of a gay couple. Given the blatantly extreme hostility the gay movement has taken against religious people and their views, you cannot convince me that a gay couple would accept my 12 year old religious son. They would convince him that his views are wrong and that there's something wrong with him and needs to change, which ironically is the exact same thing gays have claimed makes them depressed when their own family does.

All of these moral dilemmas, which clearly impede on the rights of religious people, have been destroyed in favour of glorifying homosexuality. Excuse my willingness to think that more of my rights will be impeded as gays continue to dominate the mainstream political spaces. When the government has resorted to holding Christian businesses at gunpoint to make a gay marriage their business, I have little faith left that this movement has anything to do with love, tolerance, acceptance, diversity, or any of the other words adopted by the gay movement.

Female homosexuality does not spread disease nearly as much as hetero sex does.

Gay sex is free of pregnancy risk, hence no abortions.

Ya'd think the religious whackos would love homo sex. It seems their priests do.
 
With the recent news from Brunei about imposing the death penalty on gays and adulterers, I've been wondering just what is the justification fo opposing gay marriage. Why do some people really hate homosexuals, whether male or female?

Here's a list of arguments against same sex marriage that I found on the internets:
  1. It requires a new definition of marriage
  2. Not the same as laws that prohibited mixed race marriages
  3. Marriage is meant to increase population
  4. Infringes upon some peoples' religion freedom
  5. Rights are granted by God and He doesn't like gay marriage
  6. Morality comes from God and He doesn't like the gays
  7. Acceptance of gay marriage will lead to incest and paedophilia
  8. Homosexuals are unhealthy – that whole AIDS thing, you know.
  9. Allowing gay marriage will cause societal collapse, as other immoral behaviour becomes more accepted.

Well said! I'm sure there are plenty of bigots out there who would evn scoff at the idea of people marrying their cars or even their pet tortoise. I'm going to look for a baker unwilling to put a Saab on a wedding cake and drive the bastard out of business.
 
Guess there's no such thing as gay activist groups, so I'm just imagining all those programs of gay acceptance being rammed into schools, the annual mardi gras, and gay couples going out of their way to legally target Christian owners. Total imagination.

What are you afraid of? Are you afraid that one day gays will have all the same rights as you have? Perhaps you're afraid that one day in the future, they'll be accepted by everyone and nobody will ever believe that our country had at one time denied them the same rights as anyone else. Maybe you fear your own safety, afraid that you're going to be a target of an assault, maybe just beaten up by a gang of gay people, is that what you're afraid of? Are you scared that if a gay child becomes friends with your child that they will 'turn him gay' then you'll have to denounce the rights of your own child if that happened. Seriously, I know that can't happen but I'm trying to point out that the reason you're against gay activists is because they're going to stomp all over your rights, although I can't think of a single right that you have that gay activists would threaten. This is all fear-based prejudice.

LGBTQ activists aren't just a bunch of people whose sexual orientation may not be the same as yours. They're American citizens that have the right to the same civil liberties as you, and for anyone to deny them, or threaten them, is simply not legal. Gay have always been persecuted. Through the civil rights movement, Blacks marched, demanded, protested and made their voices heard at a very high cost, some paid the ultimate price and paid with their lives. The LGBTQ community is still that portion of society that our country has, not only excluded, but persecuted.

Gay rights activists are only fighting for the right to be healthy and have access to health care. They have the right to be safe and free from fear of retribution or prosecution. They want the same rights that you or any other American citizen has and they shouldn't have to fight, be harassed, beaten and threatened just because they're asking for those same rights as every other citizen.
 
Well said! I'm sure there are plenty of bigots out there who would evn scoff at the idea of people marrying their cars or even their pet tortoise. I'm going to look for a baker unwilling to put a Saab on a wedding cake and drive the bastard out of business.

Can your Saab give a willing and vocal consent to marriage? Is it of an age seen as adult?
 
Can your Saab give a willing and vocal consent to marriage? Is it of an age seen as adult?

I wrote 'Saab' as I actually have a SEAT Ahambra which most Americans will never have heard of. Please forgive this deception. My car is 22 years old which is adult enough for me. It makes a variety of noises which might be taken as consent should I ever propose.
 
This comment: "gay couples going out of their way to legally target Christian owners" is freakin' hilarious. In the Masterpiece Cakeshop and another case in Washington, the gay customers had bought cakes from the bakeries in the past. There was no 'targeting' of the Christian owners because the customers liked what they had purchased before and thought requesting a wedding cake was no big deal. It was only when the bakers refused to make wedding cakes did the customers know the bakers didn't much like the gays.

Then there was your attempt to match the Muslim baker in Crowder's edited video to the baker in Colorado - the Muslim baker didn't make wedding cakes for anybody, they only baked bread, so not quite the same.

I guess all those "programs of gay acceptance" aren't the result of bullying and physical attacks on gay kids because no Christian would ever countenance such nastiness.

You're being pathetic. The couple knew very well that the cake shop owner was a devoutly religious since he had notably refused to make cakes before, such as for Halloween. Of all the bakers in the area they chose him to ask for a gay wedding cake, knowing that he would have to refuse. After being offered multiple reasonable alternatives they persisted in crying victimhood and trying to force their beliefs onto him with the help of the State. This is not live and let live. It was an intentional attack by 2 pathetic scumbags to destroy an innocent person's livelihood because they don't like his religion.

You've also failed to address why you think it's OK for gay bakeries to refuse to bake a cake for Christian celebrations should they feel it violates their own beliefs.

What about gay people that don't match at Mardi Gras? Do they deserve your hatred as well?

Lay off the semantics. This has nothing to do with hate and you're just putting words in the mouth of anyone who doesn't agree with you, in typical leftist pro-gay fashion. That's like saying if you support gun laws that means you hate all gun owners.

although I can't think of a single right that you have that gay activists would threaten. This is all fear-based prejudice.

Are you being intentionally thick now? Trying to force me to create a gay wedding cake which my religion prohibits is a destruction of my rights to freedom of religion. Trying to make it illegal to teach my son that marriage and sex should only be between a man and a woman is a destruction of religious and parental rights. Wanting to adopt other people's children, including from religious families even though nature has firmly decided they shouldn't be parents, is indoctrination. Burdening my tax dollars with a marriage that produces no benefit to society is money is blatant entitlement syndrome. Contributing to the significant spread of STDs and HIV is detestable.

Gay rights activists are only fighting for the right to be healthy and have access to health care

Not even going to bother with this new level of delusion. The way to be healthy is to stop having anal sex. This comes from medical journals btw. If they refuse to follow that advice that's on them.

Parading around in glitter undies and decorating religious monuments in pro-gay sexual innuendo has nothing to do with healthcare.
 
You're being pathetic. The couple knew very well that the cake shop owner was a devoutly religious since he had notably refused to make cakes before, such as for Halloween. Of all the bakers in the area they chose him to ask for a gay wedding cake, knowing that he would have to refuse. After being offered multiple reasonable alternatives they persisted in crying victimhood and trying to force their beliefs onto him with the help of the State. This is not live and let live. It was an intentional attack by 2 pathetic scumbags to destroy an innocent person's livelihood because they don't like his religion.

You've also failed to address why you think it's OK for gay bakeries to refuse to bake a cake for Christian celebrations should they feel it violates their own beliefs.

I was wrong about one point I made earlier - the gay couple had not patronised the bakery before they went in to the shop for a wedding cake. They went to Masterpiece Cakeshop on the recommendation of their reception planner. The baker offered no alternatives.

Your attack on the gay couple is far more vicious than their attempt to secure equal rights. The lawsuit was filed because the baker refused to provide them with a product that he would sell to a hetero couple, not an attempt to destroy his business.

I never stated that it was "Ok for gay bakeries to refuse to bake a cake"

By your words here, you are plainly stating that the religion of a business owner would allow them to discriminate against any person(s) they believed to violate their specific religion. Such beliefs were used to discriminate African Americans in the past. Do you think that should be allowed today?
 
Female homosexuality does not spread disease nearly as much as hetero sex does.

Gay sex is free of pregnancy risk, hence no abortions.

Ya'd think the religious whackos would love homo sex. It seems their priests do.

Why do these bigots always forget that us lesbians exist?
 
What about gay people that don't match at Mardi Gras? Do they deserve your hatred as well?

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As decreed by the High Homosexual Council, under Order 6969, all gays are required to march at Mardi Gras, and act as flamboyant as possible.
 
As decreed by the High Homosexual Council, under Order 6969, all gays are required to march at Mardi Gras, and act as flamboyant as possible.

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Good morning Miss Gov :)

Debates with right-wing "Christian" fundamentalists can never be won, but it is fun to rattle their cages once in awhile is it not?
 
"It's not gay unless our eyes lock"

*sob*...I could never take my eyes off of you, Guv'ness…

Oh, oops dang, sorry, got caught up in the moment....seemed like the natural next step...as you were. ;) :lol:
 
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Good morning Miss Gov :)

Debates with right-wing "Christian" fundamentalists can never be won, but it is fun to rattle their cages once in awhile is it not?

Mornin', partner.

It is a good way to pass the time. :)
 
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