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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    The ruling of the Supreme Court.
    name the case or cases.

    Now show me that a baker making a cake will be thought to share those opinions and attitudes.
    So if I ordered a wedding cake from a Muslim bakery and I wanted it to say "Jesus Christ is God" the Muslim Baker would be forced to make that for me despite the fact that it's a blasphemy in his religion?





    Not saying that an employee hates children...though you seem to think someone can be fired for what they think.

    There are many schools that are privately owned - as are most colleges.
    Such private institutions are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sex, age, and religion. I worked security at a Catholic girls school for a few months. They are clearly exempt.

    A Republican president once mobilized the National Guard to ensure black children could attend school in the face of hatred...who was fired?
    not sure why you are asking this.




    I don't support anyone or any institution that openly supports prejudice.
    I don't get the reasoning behind this statement. You asked if I would support something assuming I support anything.




    Yes and its not illegal
    not sure why you are stating this.

    Neither a rich man getting better education, healthcare or legal representation
    Sure.




    So speaks the socialist
    Seems my position is a capitalist one. No care given to equity.


    Sadly your equality principles are in a minority in the United States
    so what?




    Is anyone disagreeing ?
    I'm not sure why you are harping on health and safety to be honest.




    Open up a bar with a sign outside saying whites only and see how far you get
    That has nothing to do with my statement.

    Yes a bar can refuse to serve and individual but not a racial group
    I don't recall saying they could refuse to serve a racial group.




    Yes they do.
    Show me the enlistment obligations I would have if I opened a tire change shop please.



    Oh really can you name one?
    Murder, assault, theft, kidnapping, robbery. It's all illegal even if you think the person you are doing it to is inferior regardless of what it's based on.

    We seem to differ on whether an individual has the right to put certain thoughts into practice.
    You are permitted to think all Asians should die, but the second you act your life is in jeopardy.

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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    The Supreme Court would disagree.
    What were the names of those decisions?

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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    It is still not equal service in a public business. .
    Yeah its discrimination against those seeking a same sex wedding cake regardless of their sexual orientations. It is just presumed that it is motivated by animus towards homosexuals. Much like the desire to improve the wellbeing of children that only opposite sex couples produce is presumed to be motivated by animus towards homosexuals.

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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    Sex/gender, race, color, creed/religion, and disability are already protected classes. .
    Such strong opinions regarding matters you know nothing about.

    SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.

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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    No not at all I'm trying to argue that private businesses can and do serve the public.

    No it's not. It's defined as one which is operated by the government or is publicly traded, in the stock market.

    No it isn't. It is a business held by a small number of investors, a sole proprietorship, it a business that isn't held by the government or publicly traded.

    I don't think there is a public accommodation law that requires Baker's to make something for anybody no matter what.



    Again the bakery didn't say it wouldn't serve gay people just that they wouldn't make a specific thing for a specific ceremony.

    That is within their rights. Public accommodation law no matter what incarnation doesn't apply.
    (b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:

    (1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;

    (2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the

    premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;

    (3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and

    (4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.

    (c) The operations of an establishment affect commerce within the meaning of this title if (1) it is one of the establishments described in paragraph (1) of subsection (b); (2) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (2) of subsection (b), it serves or offers to serve interstate travelers or a substantial portion of the food which it serves, or gasoline or other products which it sells, has moved in commerce; (3) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (3) of subsection (b), it customarily presents films, performances, athletic teams, exhibitions, or other sources of entertainment which move in commerce; and (4) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (4) of subsection (b), it is physically located within the premises of, or there is physically located within its premises, an establishment the operations of which affect commerce within the meaning of this subsection. For purposes of this section, "commerce" means travel, trade, traffic, commerce, transportation, or communication among the several States, or between the District of Columbia and any State, or between any foreign country or any territory or possession and any State or the District of Columbia, or between points in the same State but through any other State or the District of Columbia or a foreign country.

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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    (b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:

    (1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;

    (2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the

    premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;

    (3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and

    (4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.

    (c) The operations of an establishment affect commerce within the meaning of this title if (1) it is one of the establishments described in paragraph (1) of subsection (b); (2) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (2) of subsection (b), it serves or offers to serve interstate travelers or a substantial portion of the food which it serves, or gasoline or other products which it sells, has moved in commerce; (3) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (3) of subsection (b), it customarily presents films, performances, athletic teams, exhibitions, or other sources of entertainment which move in commerce; and (4) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (4) of subsection (b), it is physically located within the premises of, or there is physically located within its premises, an establishment the operations of which affect commerce within the meaning of this subsection. For purposes of this section, "commerce" means travel, trade, traffic, commerce, transportation, or communication among the several States, or between the District of Columbia and any State, or between any foreign country or any territory or possession and any State or the District of Columbia, or between points in the same State but through any other State or the District of Columbia or a foreign country.
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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    So is it your contention that the difference between men and women is no different than the difference between a same sex couple and a couple that is closely related?
    He wont make an actual argument all he does is make non sequitur claims that he cant marry his sister and that somehow its related to SSM
    Then when you try to figure out what sort of nonsense he is trying to get at he falsely claims you are making a strawman.
    He has not and will not ever make an actual argument that would leave him open to be shown in logical error.
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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    name the case or cases.
    Fred

    ...so if I ordered a wedding cake from a Muslim bakery and I wanted it to say "Jesus Christ is God" the Muslim Baker would be forced to make that for me ...
    Yes


    ...such private institutions are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sex, age, and religion. I worked security at a Catholic girls school for a few months. They are clearly exempt...

    A private institution might be exempt - there are private clubs that are members only. There are boys and girls schools. Tell me one school that is whites only.

    Pubic schools are not allowed to discriminate on sex or religion - I would imagine they would be allowed to discriminate on age.

    ...not sure why you are asking this...
    Asking what?


    ...I don't get the reasoning behind this statement....

    Clearly


    ...not sure why you are stating this....
    Stating what?


    ...seems my position is a capitalist one...
    How and in what way?

    ...so what?
    So you're wrong.


    ...I'm not sure why you are harping on health and safety to be honest....
    ???


    YOU brought health and safety up.


    ...that has nothing to do with my statement...
    Ty it and discover its relevance with regard to the law.



    ...I don't recall saying they could refuse to serve a racial group....
    Yes you did

    You said an owner can refuse to serve anyone - that would include membership of any ethnic group.


    ...show me the enlistment obligations I would have if I opened a tire change shop please....

    The bit about obeying the law.

    ..murder, assault, theft, kidnapping, robbery. It's all illegal even if you think the person you are doing it to is inferior regardless of what it's based on...
    You miss the point entirely

    Some things are illegal.

    What you think is legal (discrimination on ethnic grounds) is not.


    ....you are permitted to think all Asians should die, but the second you act your life is in jeopardy.

    I couldn't care less what you think in this regard

    Only the Bible makes thought crime illegal AFAIK.

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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Fred
    So you can't list any cases, so I am safe in assuming you just lied about it.

    There can be no discussion if you make outlandish claims and refuse to support them.

    Come back when you are ready to have an adult conversation.

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    Re: Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

    Looks like this thread is dead
    254 pages and not one argument against SSM. I suppose we can conclude there are none
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