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Pray Away the Gay app

lurchadams said:
It's you that are here speaking in favor of people who are ignorant - the right for people to hate - as usual in the name of religion. Did you know Brunei just made it illegal to be gay - the penalty is stoning?

It's quandary for folks on the religious right. On one hand they love hatred of gay people, on the other they hate Muslims. What do do?
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"Everybody Must Get Stoned"

 
JacksinPA said:
Christian Ministry for sexual wholeness - Living Hope Ministries

Living Hope Ministries has a controversial gay conversion app that has been pulled from a number of net platforms like Apple & Google.
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1. The OP has raised a serious issue.

2. I feel that Apple & Google were wrong to ban that "conversion app."

3. Many people do not know (or pretend that they do not know) that many human beings are or could be bisexual. (E.g., in the armed forces or in prison or in boarding schools.)


4. Although I personally feel that no gay can be "converted" (just as no straight can be "converted"), there may be SOME gays or bisexuals who do not wish to live a gay life. Maybe those apps (if they are done in a kind and caring manner) can give some solace to those people who are looking for inspiration to live a celibate gay life or (if they are bisexual) to concentrate on their straight side.


5. Parents who deserve the title of "parents" should love their children regardless of the children's sexuality. Like all good parents, they should be concerned about their children's happiness. Of course, being gay is full of frustrations and disappointments. But being straight is also full of frustrations and disappointments (look at the divorce rate). The big difference, however, is that gays' lives are made doubly hard because of the hatred and fear that is directed toward them. In other words, gay life is NOT as portrayed on "Will and Grace."
 
Skeptic Bob said:
So does the app super boost the power of their prayers? Will the prayers not work without the app? What if they already downloaded the app before it was blocked but now it can no longer be updated? Will the prayers still have some level of effect with an earlier version of the app?
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The prayer app, dial up your favorite prayers, hit the button and your choice of voice will emit the prayer of your choice, choose from thousands of recitations and recordings from all religions and denominations.

Hey, let's get together and write a patent.

The Hymn app.
 
VanceMack said:
Does it threaten your lifestyle that some people accept that they for whatever reason have homosexual ideation and tendencies but choose to live a God centered life free of what they consider sin? And if they do it by choice as adults, why do you care?
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Why is rejecting your personal feelings of attraction to be seen as living a "God centered life"? I personally know 3 gay couples, 2 are legally married, and all attend church on a regular basis.
 
lurchadams said:
No but he'll teach him not to be a dick.

I'm not saying you missed your anti-dick training - I'm just saying a refresher never hurts.
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I think he got too much anti-dick training.
 
Somerville said:
Why is rejecting your personal feelings of attraction to be seen as living a "God centered life"? I personally know 3 gay couples, 2 are legally married, and all attend church on a regular basis.
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And thats wonderful for them. Many see it differently. Surely you acknowledge that, even if you disagree with it?

Many people have a wide variety of natural desires that they would find sinful or inappropriate to act on. Why is it that it is only homosexuality that some insist shouldnt be controlled or mastered as an unhealthy or sinful desire?
 
PTF said:
Because it effects are young children. I have nephews and I don't want them to see and think this is a good idea of life. I will have a son soon and I will teach him the way of life.
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What if he is born gay?
 
zyzygy said:
What if he is born gay?
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What does that even mean? That someone has natural drives or desires? Are we beholden to our most base impulses and desires?
 
VanceMack said:
What does that even mean? That someone has natural drives or desires? Are we beholden to our most base impulses and desires?
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We're not beholden to our desires. But so long as our desires harm no one, everyone should have unmitigated freedom to explore them.
 
WCH said:
If not there's a Leftiegoaway app coming soon.
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It'll never work. Just like the pray the pray away the gay app. Jesus told you to take up your cross and follow him. Well we're your cross, so start walkin.:mrgreen:
 
lwf said:
We're not beholden to our desires. But so long as our desires harm no one, everyone should have unmitigated freedom to explore them.
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If they choose to. And if thats what they choose, I would never disagree with their right to do so. Wouldnt you respect someone with normal homosexual desires that made the choice to live a heterosexual life?
 
VanceMack said:
Does it threaten your lifestyle that some people accept that they for whatever reason have homosexual ideation and tendencies but choose to live a God centered life free of what they consider sin? And if they do it by choice as adults, why do you care?
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:lol: sorry, but that was just ****ing weird.
 
VanceMack said:
If they choose to. And if thats what they choose, I would never disagree with their right to do so. Wouldnt you respect someone with normal homosexual desires that made the choice to live a heterosexual life?
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Absolutely. The problem is the social and cultural pressures that send the message that someone with homosexual desires is, in fact, not normal, and needs to change themselves in order to conform to what certain subcultures consider normal. This is the wrong message to send young people, and I disapprove of those intolerant social and cultural mores that reinforce it.
 
lwf said:
Absolutely. The problem is the social and cultural pressures that send the message that someone with homosexual desires is, in fact, not normal, and needs to change themselves in order to conform to what certain subcultures consider normal. This is the wrong message to send young people, and I disapprove of those intolerant social and cultural mores that reinforce it.
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This.

Why would someone go against their desires?

1. It's harmful to others.

2. It's illegal and thus harmful to you

3. It's "immoral" in the eyes of those pushing the idea of some imaginary sky daddy.


#1 & 2; yes. I can see altering behavior to conform. It is actually an essential part of fitting into society. But, #3 should never be the reason why someone makes a choice which goes against the grain of who they are as a person.
 
lwf said:
Absolutely. The problem is the social and cultural pressures that send the message that someone with homosexual desires is, in fact, not normal, and needs to change themselves in order to conform to what certain subcultures consider normal. This is the wrong message to send young people, and I disapprove of those intolerant social and cultural mores that reinforce it.
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Its not really your right to 'disapprove' of social or cultural mores that consider homosexuality abnormal, any more so than it is their right to consider your positions abhorrent. Tolerance is about accepting peoples positions while disagreeing respectfully. I can love you and still disagree with you. I cant force you. In fact, the cornerstone of pretty much every organized Christian religion I know if centers on choice and agency...free will. Free will allows people to choose...but it doesnt remove the consequence of choice.
 
VanceMack said:
Its not really your right to 'disapprove' of social or cultural mores that consider homosexuality abnormal, any more so than it is their right to consider your positions abhorrent. Tolerance is about accepting peoples positions while disagreeing respectfully. I can love you and still disagree with you. I cant force you. In fact, the cornerstone of pretty much every organized Christian religion I know if centers on choice and agency...free will. Free will allows people to choose...but it doesnt remove the consequence of choice.
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It is absolutely my right and duty to disapprove as a tolerant person. It doesn't mean I don't love the people whose actions, words, or beliefs I disapprove of, but those actions, words, and beliefs that further the irrational social intolerance of any minority group are absolutely not a part of my philosophy of tolerance, nor should they be tolerated by anyone who considers himself a tolerant person. Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance.
 
lwf said:
It is absolutely my right and duty to disapprove as a tolerant person. It doesn't mean I don't love the people whose actions, words, or beliefs I disapprove of, but those actions, words, and beliefs that further the irrational social intolerance of any minority group are absolutely not a part of my philosophy of tolerance, nor should they be tolerated by anyone who considers himself a tolerant person. Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance.
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I look at it this way. I'm not a Jehovah's Witness and I completely disagree with their practice of shunning. But i respect their right to their form of repentance and support any of their members that go through the process. You can have whatever opinions you want but ultimately, its not your business how a church or its congregation believes.
 
lwf said:
Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance.
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BTW...thats kind of a bull**** cop out. Thats you attempting to impose your will and acting petulant because others disagree with you.
 
VanceMack said:
Does it threaten your lifestyle that some people accept that they for whatever reason have homosexual ideation and tendencies but choose to live a God centered life free of what they consider sin? And if they do it by choice as adults, why do you care?
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Unfortunately they tend to overcompensate when suppressing their urges.

Like "rehab nazis". Folks who go into rehab and become drug warriors because it must be the drugs and drug dealers and not their own weakness.
 
lurchadams said:
It's you that are here speaking in favor of people who are ignorant - the right for people to hate - as usual in the name of religion. Did you know Brunei just made it illegal to be gay - the penalty is stoning?

It's quandary for folks on the religious right. On one hand they love hatred of gay people, on the other they hate Muslims. What do do?
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The enemy of my enemy makes strange bedfellows?
 
What if...? said:
Unfortunately they tend to overcompensate when suppressing their urges.

Like "rehab nazis". Folks who go into rehab and become drug warriors because it must be the drugs and drug dealers and not their own weakness.
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Some...sure...but a good number of people simply choose to live normal happy healthy productive heterosexual lives.

The site advertised by the OP contains no 'app'. It also has not fanatical anti-gay commentary. Yet for some reason, the fact that many people choose to live their lives free of their natural homosexual tendencies pisses people off to the point that they feel they must attack those that disagree with them and ridicule them.
 
VanceMack said:
I look at it this way. I'm not a Jehovah's Witness and I completely disagree with their practice of shunning. But i respect their right to their form of repentance and support any of their members that go through the process. You can have whatever opinions you want but ultimately, its not your business how a church or its congregation believes.
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I respect their right to use shunning as well. I also disapprove of their choice to use shunning. My approval is not required, nor would I support any laws that outlawed this right. However, I am both free and honor bound (according to my own moral standards) to use whatever small social and cultural influence I have over my small social group to express my disapproval and encourage others to do the same.
 
VanceMack said:
BTW...thats kind of a bull**** cop out. Thats you attempting to impose your will and acting petulant because others disagree with you.
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That wasn't my intention. It is how I justify being intolerant of others who are intolerant. I don't feel that it is hypocritical to be intolerant of intolerant behavior.
 
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