[W:70] New data shows more than half of young people in America don't have a romantic partner

I truly don't understand this. I can tell you from personal experience that it's possible to force the issue and arrange a partner long term even if you don't have the social skills to "date". Social and emotional considerations are a smoke screen. What people will give you in life whether interpersonal or in business boils down to leverage. If two people can provide an exchange of what each other is looking for, that is a basis to implement a long term relationship. If one provides long term sustenance and reasonable comfort in exchange for sex, it isn't very difficult to find someone willing to accept that arrangement, especially if they don't have an aptitude for studying and building a career.

However, this frustration from women is baffling. All a reasonably attractive woman needs to do is go to a car show wearing attractive clothing and she will get plenty of attention.



It's not just you: New data shows more than half of young people in America don't have a romantic partner - SFGate

Spivey has a lot of company in her frustration, and in her singledom. Just over half of Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 - 51 percent of them - said they do not have a steady romantic partner, according to data from the General Social Survey released this week. That 2018 figure is up significantly from 33 percent in 2004 - the lowest figure since the question was first asked in 1986 - and up slightly from 45 percent in 2016. The shift has helped drive singledom to a record high among the overall public, among whom 35 percent say they have no steady partner, but only up slightly from 33 percent in 2016 and 2014.

There are several other trends that go along with the increase in young single Americans. Women are having fewer children, and they're having them later in life. The median age of first marriage is increasing. And according to a 2017 report from the Pew Research Center, among those who have never married but are open to it, most say a major reason is because they haven't found the right person.

Of course, not everyone who's under 35 and single is looking to change that. Caitlin Phillips, a 22-year-old student at the University of Georgia, is open to love if it walked into her life, but she's not actively looking for it. "I'm too busy, honestly. I travel a lot and I have a great group of friends that I hang out with," Phillips said in a phone interview, adding that she's working in addition to studying for a degree in journalism.

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SDET said:

I truly don't understand this. I can tell you from personal experience that it's possible to force the issue and arrange a partner long term even if you don't have the social skills to "date". Social and emotional considerations are a smoke screen. What people will give you in life whether interpersonal or in business boils down to leverage. If two people can provide an exchange of what each other is looking for, that is a basis to implement a long term relationship. If one provides long term sustenance and reasonable comfort in exchange for sex, it isn't very difficult to find someone willing to accept that arrangement, especially if they don't have an aptitude for studying and building a career.

However, this frustration from women is baffling. All a reasonably attractive woman needs to do is go to a car show wearing attractive clothing and she will get plenty of attention.

It's not just you: New data shows more than half of young people in America don't have a romantic partner - SFGate

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You really are awful.

Why do young people need a partner? They have Internet friends and Internet porn. The current young generation live on their cell phones and the Internet and accordingly have very little social skills.

Jetboogieman said:

You really are awful.

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Practice makes perfect.

joko104 said:

Why do young people need a partner? They have Internet friends and Internet porn. The current young generation live on their cell phones and the Internet and accordingly have very little social skills.

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And soon robots

SDET said:

I truly don't understand this. I can tell you from personal experience that it's possible to force the issue and arrange a partner long term even if you don't have the social skills to "date". Social and emotional considerations are a smoke screen. What people will give you in life whether interpersonal or in business boils down to leverage. If two people can provide an exchange of what each other is looking for, that is a basis to implement a long term relationship. If one provides long term sustenance and reasonable comfort in exchange for sex, it isn't very difficult to find someone willing to accept that arrangement, especially if they don't have an aptitude for studying and building a career.

However, this frustration from women is baffling. All a reasonably attractive woman needs to do is go to a car show wearing attractive clothing and she will get plenty of attention.



It's not just you: New data shows more than half of young people in America don't have a romantic partner - SFGate

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It’s not surprising it’s similar to the road japan has gone down

Crovax said:

It’s not surprising it’s similar to the road japan has gone down

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Well Japan's problem is that people are not seeking relationships at all, period. This does not appear to be the case with this survey, it is much more of a lack of long-term partners not any partners.

SDET said:

I truly don't understand this. I can tell you from personal experience that it's possible to force the issue and arrange a partner long term even if you don't have the social skills to "date". Social and emotional considerations are a smoke screen. What people will give you in life whether interpersonal or in business boils down to leverage. If two people can provide an exchange of what each other is looking for, that is a basis to implement a long term relationship. If one provides long term sustenance and reasonable comfort in exchange for sex, it isn't very difficult to find someone willing to accept that arrangement, especially if they don't have an aptitude for studying and building a career.

However, this frustration from women is baffling. All a reasonably attractive woman needs to do is go to a car show wearing attractive clothing and she will get plenty of attention.



It's not just you: New data shows more than half of young people in America don't have a romantic partner - SFGate

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The have too many modern distractions. Porn, games, social media, student loan debt, and looking for the perfect partner who will overlook your flaws, while you tweak on theirs.

Carjosse said:

Well Japan's problem is that people are not seeking relationships at all, period. This does not appear to be the case with this survey, it is much more of a lack of long-term partners not any partners.

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I think lack of long term partners is the first step

Crovax said:

I think lack of long term partners is the first step

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The culture isn't there, yet. Japan has the problem of very strong social norms against short-term partners and a culture where if you don't have a steady job immediately or are considered other you are shunned as a failure. There is still a lot of misogyny and most Japanese think that having a career and being a mother are mutually exclusive and more woman are interested in careers, the US still has a lot of this too but hopefully gets better. And something the US is quickly catching up with is lack of work-life balance making it hard to find someone and stay with them in the first place.

chuckiechan said:

The have too many modern distractions. Porn, games, social media, student loan debt, and looking for the perfect partner who will overlook your flaws, while you tweak on theirs.

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Also just more and more people are choosing to focus on careers. The only people I know my age getting married and having children are the ones who didn't do any post-secondary education, they have nothing else going on so that is what they do.

SDET said:

I truly don't understand this. I can tell you from personal experience that it's possible to force the issue and arrange a partner long term even if you don't have the social skills to "date". Social and emotional considerations are a smoke screen. What people will give you in life whether interpersonal or in business boils down to leverage. If two people can provide an exchange of what each other is looking for, that is a basis to implement a long term relationship. If one provides long term sustenance and reasonable comfort in exchange for sex, it isn't very difficult to find someone willing to accept that arrangement, especially if they don't have an aptitude for studying and building a career.

However, this frustration from women is baffling. All a reasonably attractive woman needs to do is go to a car show wearing attractive clothing and she will get plenty of attention.



It's not just you: New data shows more than half of young people in America don't have a romantic partner - SFGate

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Red:
In direct language, what exactly does that mean?


Blue:
It doesn't strike me as baffling at all.

Young women who look like this...





...want guys who look like this....


...and are "woke," well adjusted, smart and on track to have a fine career, to boot....And the fact of the matter is that, well, there just aren't that many of them in comparison to how many hot young women there are. And let's be real: why would a hot young woman with brains and her own path to financial security want anything other than that in a guy?


Pink:
What you've described, unless I've misread your meaning, is the "trophy wife" dynamic. Had you something different in mind?

Simply, at least as per what the women I've dated and befriended tell me, most guys don't bother to look as hot as are the women they want. Put another way, hot young women deem "dickey doos" disgusting. Physical fitness is great for stamina, and stamina is great for sex, and at 20-something, sex matters a lot, and one can only be so "athletic" in the bedroom (and other places) when one isn't athletically fit in the first place. At 20-to-30-something, there's really no excuse for a guy to be not athletically fit.

Now I didn't, just as you or any other specific person didn't, create the culture in which we today find ourselves; however, that doesn't mean that our young-male-to-young-female cultural dynamic whereby women in general, and hot young women in particular, get to be pickier than do most men isn't what it is. Of course, some young women will go do the "trophy wife" thing, but as more and more young hot women obtain fine careers of their own, fewer need to these days than before.

One thing I discovered from occasionally hanging out with my oldest son and going bar hopping with him is that hot young women (20-somethings out of college) like 40-something-to-50-something older men who look 30-something-to-40-something and are "gym fit." That rather surprised me. Don't get me wrong, I'd "bang" them, but I wouldn't date a woman that much younger than I. I don't really know what makes a young woman think a guy old enough to be their father and who has no trouble finding hot "age-appropriate" partners would see them as "dating material." Perhaps, however, their willingness to date a middle-aged guy reflects the phenomenon you've described.

Carjosse said:

Also just more and more people are choosing to focus on careers. The only people I know my age getting married and having children are the ones who didn't do any post-secondary education, they have nothing else going on so that is what they do.

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Exactly!! That's why such women make a better wife. Being in ongoing competition with a spouse is draining and tiresome. Take that to the extreme and have a wife that doesn't even want to bother learning English and it gets even better.

Xelor said:

Red:
In direct language, what exactly does that mean?


Blue:
It doesn't strike me as baffling at all.

Young women who look like this...

(University of AZ sorors)

...want guys who look like this....

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...and are "woke," well adjusted, smart and on track to have a fine career, to boot....And the fact of the matter is that, well, there just aren't that many of them in comparison to how many hot young women there are. And let's be real: why would a hot young woman with brains and her own path to financial security want anything other than that in a guy?


Pink:
What you've described, unless I've misread your meaning, is the "trophy wife" dynamic. Had you something different in mind?

Simply, at least as per what the women I've dated and befriended tell me, most guys don't bother to look as hot as are the women they want. Put another way, hot young women deem "dickey doos" disgusting. Physical fitness is great for stamina, and stamina is great for sex, and at 20-something, sex matters a lot, and one can only be so "athletic" in the bedroom (and other places) when one isn't athletically fit in the first place. At 20-to-30-something, there's really no excuse for a guy to be not athletically fit.

Now I didn't, just as you or any other specific person didn't, create the culture in which we today find ourselves; however, that doesn't mean that our young-male-to-young-female cultural dynamic whereby women in general, and hot young women in particular, get to be pickier than do most men isn't what it is. Of course, some young women will go do the "trophy wife" thing, but as more and more young hot women obtain fine careers of their own, fewer need to these days than before.

One thing I discovered from occasionally hanging out with my oldest son and going bar hopping with him is that hot young women (20-somethings out of college) like 40-something-to-50-something older men who look 30-something-to-40-something and are "gym fit." That rather surprised me. Don't get me wrong, I'd "bang" them, but I wouldn't date a woman that much younger than I. I don't really know what makes a young woman think a guy old enough to be their father and who has no trouble finding hot "age-appropriate" partners would see them as "dating material." Perhaps, however, their willingness to date a middle-aged guy reflects the phenomenon you've described.

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That would be the ones that aren't intelligent or motivated enough to study and build a career. If you want intelligent conversation, there are guy friends for that. All a woman needs to do is keep up her appearance and sharpen her bedroom skills. An attractive woman with good bedroom skills can count on being taken care of. An "age appropriate" partner isn't likely to keep and maintain her.

SDET said:

That would be the ones that aren't intelligent or motivated enough to study and build a career. If you want intelligent conversation, there are guy friends for that. All a woman needs to do is keep up her appearance and sharpen her bedroom skills. An attractive woman with good bedroom skills can count on being taken care of. An "age appropriate" partner isn't likely to keep and maintain her.

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Oh, my....

SDET said:

Exactly!! That's why such women make a better wife. Being in ongoing competition with a spouse is draining and tiresome. Take that to the extreme and have a wife that doesn't even want to bother learning English and it gets even better.

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It is not competition, it makes for a fulfilling relationship because you see your spouse as a person and not a sex object and there is a mutual respect for each other.

SDET said:

That would be the ones that aren't intelligent or motivated enough to study and build a career. If you want intelligent conversation, there are guy friends for that. All a woman needs to do is keep up her appearance and sharpen her bedroom skills. An attractive woman with good bedroom skills can count on being taken care of. An "age appropriate" partner isn't likely to keep and maintain her.

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Most adults lose their fixation on sex as the purpose of their life and primary purpose of a romantic relationship. However, some men never really grow up.

Oh look, another "I don't understand why everyone else doesn't see women as objects like I do" post from SDET.

joko104 said:

Most adults lose their fixation on sex as the purpose of their life and primary purpose of a romantic relationship. However, some men never really grow up.

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SDET is such a terrible poster that he's making me agree with joko104.

SDET said:

I truly don't understand this. I can tell you from personal experience that it's possible to force the issue and arrange a partner long term even if you don't have the social skills to "date". Social and emotional considerations are a smoke screen. What people will give you in life whether interpersonal or in business boils down to leverage. If two people can provide an exchange of what each other is looking for, that is a basis to implement a long term relationship. If one provides long term sustenance and reasonable comfort in exchange for sex, it isn't very difficult to find someone willing to accept that arrangement, especially if they don't have an aptitude for studying and building a career.

However, this frustration from women is baffling. All a reasonably attractive woman needs to do is go to a car show wearing attractive clothing and she will get plenty of attention.



It's not just you: New data shows more than half of young people in America don't have a romantic partner - SFGate

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Yeah, I've heard that more and more as women gain their financial independence, they actually would prefer to have hookups but don't want to be saddled with a romantic partner. Women are getting married on average, much later, I read. Many women seek married men as romantic partners so that there's no risk the men will try to start a romantic relationship. They don't want to deal with the drama of a boyfriend.

In short, they're beginning to behave as men have for centuries.

Damn equality, right, my friend?

It's a positive thing. People expect more out of their partners now.

Someone needs get out of mommy's cellar, meet people and to get laid.

joko104 said:

Why do young people need a partner? They have Internet friends and Internet porn. The current young generation live on their cell phones and the Internet and accordingly have very little social skills.

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Do you, actually know any young people?

I see just as many grays on their phones as the young crowd.

Maybe they should get off the Internet and their phones more?

Xelor said:

Oh, my....

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He left out the part where women should have to keep their hair long so that men can drag them around behind them with it.