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Women - What are you feelings about "giving away the milk for free".

In my opinion, dating / courting should only happen in the pursuit of marriage, and sex before marriage should be avoided. If you want to engage in sexual activities, propose to her and get married. :)

Then you might not be in the correct forum. But it's not your fault.
We need to create a "courting and marriage" forum because this is the "sex and sexuality" forum.
And in the sex and sexuality forum, you're probably going to encounter a lot of "sex and sexuality".
 
In my opinion, if you had responded with "yes, I completely understand. How about dinner next weekend?" That would have said more about you than anything she could have asked.

Completely understand what? Her dodge that "she didn't know me well enough" being the reason? If I told her that I completely understand that bull**** that would have been a lie. So your suggestion was that I lie? No. I'm straight with people, like I'm being straight with you and I expect the same from them.
 
3 dates in 4 months is still 3 dates.


OM

Yep. You can state the obvious quite well. Like others you ignore the fact that we talked via phone and text for 4 months. You consider that insignificant. Like several others you're ignoring that significant point and focusing on the "3 dates" because that's what your puritanical upbringing trains you to do. I can't help you, friend.
 
Completely understand what? Her dodge that "she didn't know me well enough" being the reason? If I told her that I completely understand that bull**** that would have been a lie. So your suggestion was that I lie? No. I'm straight with people, like I'm being straight with you and I expect the same from them.

Yeah, I'm understanding now why she repelled you.
 
Mmmm.... hmmm... someone else just tried that with me, my naive' friend. Didn't work for them either. I know who I am. I like who I am. I honestly don't give a **** what YOU think of me.

The first time you ever get laid, if that ever happens you'll begin to figure out how the world works.

Until then don't opine about things you know nothing about.

:lol: Sounds like we nailed it. You're all bent about Sherri not wanting to sleep with you. She obviously has her reasons but you've concluded she's lying because youapparently get to play judge on how long two people should know each other before having sex.

I'll tell you this much. I've never taken intimacy as a casual romp between the sheets to get off. I could have paid a hooker for that. To me it's one of the most intimate things two people can share. I have no complaints with my past relationships that evolved to making love and were part of a long term relationship. And you know what? I've never found myself on a public forum crying that I didn't get to play hide the sausage with a woman I've only known for three months and needing other people to validate that I'm right and she has such a puritanical and unhealthy outlook on sex. And of course needs therapy. :roll:

I'm going to have to agree with some of the others here. She dodged a bullet because I have a feeling if she had agreed the one time you'd be hounding for it all the time and then crying that she opened the barn door once, why isn't it always open!!!!
 
It just happens...a woman "THINKS" she's ready and then suddenly....eeek! :eek:
And it's not just the 53 year olds either. I think I told you the story about the adorable little gal who worked at the drug store, with the ugly pink smock and even the pink smock couldn't hide the fact that she was as cute as the dickens.
And I said that on our first date she clammed up and barely talked, had me convinced she was not having a good date.

Lemme tell you something, if you remember, the next time we went out MONTHS later, it was SHE who dragged ME into the bedroom and jumped MY bones. And like Am Woman says, I damn near needed a first aid kit afterward.
From that point on I removed the word "slut" from my vocabulary as a negative connotation, because I LOVED being pushed onto the bed by a horny woman.

But it happens, women think they ready and suddenly...they're not.
Use humor, use whatever will disarm her defenses, or just gently say good night and chalk it up to Finagle's Constant Flying Fickle Factor.

You know, C.B. I don't have time to help everyone overcome their hangups. I'm pretty busy with my life, my kids, my job, and the "normal" women I've been dating. Like I said, I'm open to continuing my dialog with her if she wants me to but as far as any more dates? No. Not with Sherri.
 
I don't think so. The look of fear in her eyes as I was, "making my move" actually frightened ME. She should get off the dating site(s) and start talking to a therapist about her intimacy anxiety.

I swear to you that a female friend of mine who is in her fifties actually believed that her "area" could not take the physical stresses of the activity due to several years of not getting any. Far as I know, unless there are other legitimate medical issues happening, the "area" does not become unable to be sustain sexual activity just because it's been a long time.

But I bounced that off several other friends, both male and female and got varying responses. Most of them laughed and mentioned K-Y, but at least one other female said this wasn't the first time she'd heard the "paper thin va-jay-jay theory". My wife laughed, but not at my friend, just at the theory. She said that the grandmother of a friend of hers had cautioned her daughter with a similar warning once.

Just understand, there are some strange and weird theories about in the world.
 
We've been doing that for 4 months, idiot. Please try to keep up or don't participate.

Just answer the question. I'm asking you how you responded to her saying she wasn't ready. And I don't mean your "ooohhhhh baby don't worry I've got this" line you say you used. Did you even attempt to ask what she meant or what she was feeling? Or did you go into pout mode like you're doing here?
 
Good for that couple. The situation you're describing is atypical and you know it. You're the one who's been caught looking ignorant and is therefore "butt-hurt".

It's so obvious, along with your hellacious case of lack of self-awareness.

We can keep at this all day, my frustrated, puritanical friend. Either you can stop replying to me or I'll just stop when I get bored, which I assure you is not too much longer.

It's not typical of most relationships, no. I appoligize if it seemed that this is what I was asserting. I don't particularly care what 'normal' is, actually. Not everyone is the same, and that doesn't mean that they neccessarily need to get their heads checked out, or need therapy. It could be the case, not knowing the individual in question, but I'm not about to project my expectations onto her and declare her a headcase because after four months of dating, she won't put out.

And puritanical? Lurch, when did I ever express a moral problem with casual sex? It's been a very long time since I was even religious. My mentality towards the issue is 'to each their own', which isn't puritanical at all. I'm not screaming at you about sex before marriage, nor am I even saying that you're moving too fast. What I'm saying is that it's a red flag that you jump to the conclusion that there must be something wrong with her, and that she's unhealthy because she doesn't want to sleep with you.
 
Yeah, I'm understanding now why she repelled you.

Can you explain to me why the holistic healer I'm seeing, the 6' tall red haired, blue-eyed babe who is currently rocking my world hasn't repelled me?

Are you saying that Melissa should have waited? I've only known her a week. She's polyamorous and I'm pretty sure that's the lifestyle toward which I'm heading. Melissa spends time with several other guys and I'm fine with that. As long has she as time for me, I don't care what happens between her and anyone else. What she and I do with others has nothing to do with us.

What would Melissa see in me in less than a week that Sherri hasn't in 4 months?
 
:lol: Sounds like we nailed it. You're all bent about Sherri not wanting to sleep with you. She obviously has her reasons but you've concluded she's lying because youapparently get to play judge on how long two people should know each other before having sex.

I'll tell you this much. I've never taken intimacy as a casual romp between the sheets to get off. I could have paid a hooker for that. To me it's one of the most intimate things two people can share. I have no complaints with my past relationships that evolved to making love and were part of a long term relationship. And you know what? I've never found myself on a public forum crying that I didn't get to play hide the sausage with a woman I've only known for three months and needing other people to validate that I'm right and she has such a puritanical and unhealthy outlook on sex. And of course needs therapy. :roll:

I'm going to have to agree with some of the others here. She dodged a bullet because I have a feeling if she had agreed the one time you'd be hounding for it all the time and then crying that she opened the barn door once, why isn't it always open!!!!

You and others have the right to your and their opinion. I have the right to mine. Don't continue to try and attack me just because your 1940's outlook on life is incompatible with most others.

I don't need validation from others, especially since I'm very happy and proud of the way I approach others socially. You should be so lucky.
 
I swear to you that a female friend of mine who is in her fifties actually believed that her "area" could not take the physical stresses of the activity due to several years of not getting any. Far as I know, unless there are other legitimate medical issues happening, the "area" does not become unable to be sustain sexual activity just because it's been a long time.

But I bounced that off several other friends, both male and female and got varying responses. Most of them laughed and mentioned K-Y, but at least one other female said this wasn't the first time she'd heard the "paper thin va-jay-jay theory". My wife laughed, but not at my friend, just at the theory. She said that the grandmother of a friend of hers had cautioned her daughter with a similar warning once.

Just understand, there are some strange and weird theories about in the world.

God I'd feel so bad for her if her issue is physiological as well! I wish her happiness. I truly hope she finds it.
 
Just answer the question. I'm asking you how you responded to her saying she wasn't ready. And I don't mean your "ooohhhhh baby don't worry I've got this" line you say you used. Did you even attempt to ask what she meant or what she was feeling? Or did you go into pout mode like you're doing here?

I already went over this, but when I tried to gently guide her toward her bedroom she pulled away, scared out of wits. She said, "no, I'm not ready". I sat back down with her and I asked her, "Why do you think that is?". She answered, "I don't know you well enough". And no, I didn't ask her what she meant by that, but I did say, that if there was any chemistry between us that she would know by now. To that she said nothing. I then said, someday you're going to find someone you're both attracted to and who will take good care of you." I then hugged her goodbye and left.
 
And now I'm NOT interested in getting to know her. I like sex. I think I'm good at it. I need my partner to like sex and be good at it. She obviously does not like sex - so in a year, two years, whenever she thinks she's ready to have sex with me she's going to be terrible at it because she's either terrified of intimacy or she hates it.

You MIGHT be reading too much into it.
Just keep in mind, it might have just been simple stage fright.

Part of the glory of all this is finding out all the little idiosyncracies a woman has, even in the sex department, and then finding out if they change after being with you. I've had women say that they prefer this and don't like that, or this is how you're supposed to approach this or approach that, and then the whole thing gets tossed out the window and suddenly they're not even following their own rules - - because they might have just come up with new ones all of a sudden.
It makes for very fun or at least interesting pillow talk sometimes. I often get a good laugh out of teasing a girl, "Wait a minute, I thought you said that ("fill in the blanks") is a hard and fast rule for you and I should never do "XXXXXXXX" this way but only "THIS WAY"?

"Hmmmm... (giggle) I changed my mind."

Or they never do "this act", never have and never will and suddenly THAT is what they have planned as part of the evening. But but but but...I thought you never did "that". Well, I guess now they DO! :lol:

A lot of them just get a giggle out of setting up all the rules of intimacy and then "forgetting" about them and then forgetting to tell YOU just so they can watch the smoke coming out of your ears. For me that's "the good stuff", well...part of it anyway.

And it extends way beyond mere intimacy too.

Like "if you're going to do the dishes, ALWAYS wring out the sponge, I can't STAND wet sponges on my sideboard, it's one of my pet peeves" and then I'm doing the dishes and she takes over because "I'm not doing it right" and SHE leaves the sponge put up all sopping wet, and I go to wring it out and she looks at me like I'm from Mars.
"What are you doing?"

OR "don't you EVER fart in front of me, it's disgusting, go into the bathroom and fart if you have to" and then the next day in the middle of watching a movie she lets out a monster toot so loud that the dog leaves the room.

OR "if you're going to sleep here, just understand I always like to have the bed made up after we get up, it's important to me. I don't care if you do it or I do it but we have to make the bed every morning", and then a week later we get up one morning and have to go somewhere and I go to make the bed and, "Screw that, we'll do it later, we have to go."

All this boils down to the fact that she just might surprise the HELL out of you the next time you see her, if there is a next time.
You might need that first aid kit....because suddenly now SHE IS ready!
 
You know, C.B. I don't have time to help everyone overcome their hangups. I'm pretty busy with my life, my kids, my job, and the "normal" women I've been dating. Like I said, I'm open to continuing my dialog with her if she wants me to but as far as any more dates? No. Not with Sherri.

Pffffftttt, come on you...there is no such thing as "normal" women. Ain't none nowhere, and ain't nevuh been none.
You have to allow a woman the chance to let things percolate and some wimminzes don't percolate all the same.
 
I'm 58 years old. I had a date Saturday night with a 53 year-old woman I've been communicating with for several months. Saturday was our third date - I took her to see, "Bohemian Rhapsody" at a movie theater that serves you drinks and dinner during the movie. It was pretty cool. But I just went off on a tangent.

So we get back to her place. She tells me her 2 kids that live with her are staying at a hotel overnight and would I like to come in. So I assumed at that point - her telling me her kids were gone - inviting me in - the fact it was our third date - I assumed she was inviting me in to spend the night.

So we're on her couch, we're talking for a bit, then I start to kiss her. She pulls back. I ask her how long it's been since she's been with someone. She tells me a very long time. I tell her not to worry, I'll take care of everything, then I gently take her hands and try to get her started towards her bedroom. She pulls back again and says, "No, I'm NOT READY!". I ask her, gently why she thinks that is. She tells me she "doesn't know me well enough". This woman and I have been talking for months. She knows my family - where I went to school. She knows who my friends are. We're facebook friends. In my opinion this woman knows me better than most women do when they first decide they want to have sex with a guy.

So the "not knowing me well enough" excuse was bull****.

I don't understand why this chick is even on a dating site if she has such a puritanical and unhealthy outlook on sex. She needs to get off the dating site and get into therapy for her anxiety about human intimacy in my opinion or her cycle of being disappointed and disappointing men is going to continue.

So my question is to the ladies:

It's been possibly years since you've been intimate with a guy. You're sitting on a couch with a guy you're obviously interested in. He wants to sleep with you. What in the world was this girl thinking? Why the **** is she even on a dating site?

Thanks.

Your assumption may have been initially true but something you did changed her mind and completely turned off any sexual desire she may have had.

Just how long did you talk on the couch before you moved in for the kiss?

Her pulling back should have given you a clue you were moving to fast.

Not very good at reading clues are you?

You then proceeded to ask her how long since she had been (sexually) with someone! Any sexual arousal she may have had simply flew out the window at that point in time.

Your next move of gently taking her hand to move her towards the bedroom was the last straw. She pulls back and tells you she is not ready.

She was not ready because you were treating her like a sex object. And there was nothing you could do at that point to sexually arouse her.

There was absolutely nothing romantic or sensual in your approach. You turned off any sexual arousal she may have had when she invited you into her home.

She knew you were there just to bed her because you were horny and that you would be a lousy lover based on your inability to accelerate her arousal and only managed to turn it off.

Then you get on a forum and state "I don't understand why this chick is even on a dating site if she has such a puritanical and unhealthy outlook on sex."

If, she hadn't had sex in quite awhile and desired a memorable sexual experience she made the right choice by turning you down.

Your sexual method may be the reason for what you call her puritanical and an unhealthy out look on sex.

Hopefully, you will stop blaming her and look to yourself for the mistakes you made.

imho Roseann:)
 
I'm not understanding where she was being 'puritanical' or 'uhhealthy'. It's the third date. She clearly was not ready for anything sexual with you, yet. I'm sure that's quite frustrating for you, but you've gotta respect that. I think you have a pretty bad mindset here. She doesn't owe you sex, and that's what you're acting like.

It's not all him or all her...she DID SAY that she'd basically sent the kids away for the night.
I wasn't there, so I don't know if she said it in a monotone while taking off her coat or if she looked right into his eyes and said it while batting her eyelashes.
If the latter, you gotta admit that that would be a huge "YES" signal.
Now that having been said, it is STILL OKAY if she suddenly puts the brakes on at the last second because .... no reason, it just happens sometimes.
But if she did the whole "batting the eyes" while saying "I put the kids up in a hotel tonight", it would explain why Lurch got mixed signals.

Again, **** happens. It could have been as simple as her not liking his mouthwash for all I know, or anything at all.
Since she IS indeed half of a potential coupling, she gets to have the prerogative of putting the brakes on at any time for any reason or no reason, but it would be a bit confusing. Such is the game, it's confusing sometimes, that's all.

I've had single mothers I dated squint their eyes at me and say "the kid's with the babysitter tonight", and sure enough, she meant it as "I'm ready to rock your world". But I've also had women send all the right signals and suddenly screech to a halt for no apparent reason.
Maybe they decided I had too much nose hair and it was a turn-off, it could be any damn thing in the world.
 
I'm 58 years old. I had a date Saturday night with a 53 year-old woman I've been communicating with for several months. Saturday was our third date - I took her to see, "Bohemian Rhapsody" at a movie theater that serves you drinks and dinner during the movie. It was pretty cool. But I just went off on a tangent.

So we get back to her place. She tells me her 2 kids that live with her are staying at a hotel overnight and would I like to come in. So I assumed at that point - her telling me her kids were gone - inviting me in - the fact it was our third date - I assumed she was inviting me in to spend the night.

So we're on her couch, we're talking for a bit, then I start to kiss her. She pulls back. I ask her how long it's been since she's been with someone. She tells me a very long time. I tell her not to worry, I'll take care of everything, then I gently take her hands and try to get her started towards her bedroom. She pulls back again and says, "No, I'm NOT READY!". I ask her, gently why she thinks that is. She tells me she "doesn't know me well enough". This woman and I have been talking for months. She knows my family - where I went to school. She knows who my friends are. We're facebook friends. In my opinion this woman knows me better than most women do when they first decide they want to have sex with a guy.

So the "not knowing me well enough" excuse was bull****.

I don't understand why this chick is even on a dating site if she has such a puritanical and unhealthy outlook on sex. She needs to get off the dating site and get into therapy for her anxiety about human intimacy in my opinion or her cycle of being disappointed and disappointing men is going to continue.

So my question is to the ladies:

It's been possibly years since you've been intimate with a guy. You're sitting on a couch with a guy you're obviously interested in. He wants to sleep with you. What in the world was this girl thinking? Why the **** is she even on a dating site?

Thanks.



Sorry man, but you did everything wrong, beginning with the word "assumed". At your age you should know the phrase "Women need a reason to have sex, men only need a place."

I learned a great lesson from my daughter some years back - "never assume, wait until you are asked."

I'm turning 70 on the Ides of March, and I live by that rule and the discovery in latter years sometimes intimacy is as if not more rewarding than intercourse.
 
You MIGHT be reading too much into it.
Just keep in mind, it might have just been simple stage fright.

Part of the glory of all this is finding out all the little idiosyncracies a woman has, even in the sex department, and then finding out if they change after being with you. I've had women say that they prefer this and don't like that, or this is how you're supposed to approach this or approach that, and then the whole thing gets tossed out the window and suddenly they're not even following their own rules - - because they might have just come up with new ones all of a sudden.
It makes for very fun or at least interesting pillow talk sometimes. I often get a good laugh out of teasing a girl, "Wait a minute, I thought you said that ("fill in the blanks") is a hard and fast rule for you and I should never do "XXXXXXXX" this way but only "THIS WAY"?

"Hmmmm... (giggle) I changed my mind."

Or they never do "this act", never have and never will and suddenly THAT is what they have planned as part of the evening. But but but but...I thought you never did "that". Well, I guess now they DO! :lol:

A lot of them just get a giggle out of setting up all the rules of intimacy and then "forgetting" about them and then forgetting to tell YOU just so they can watch the smoke coming out of your ears. For me that's "the good stuff", well...part of it anyway.

And it extends way beyond mere intimacy too.

Like "if you're going to do the dishes, ALWAYS wring out the sponge, I can't STAND wet sponges on my sideboard, it's one of my pet peeves" and then I'm doing the dishes and she takes over because "I'm not doing it right" and SHE leaves the sponge put up all sopping wet, and I go to wring it out and she looks at me like I'm from Mars.
"What are you doing?"

OR "don't you EVER fart in front of me, it's disgusting, go into the bathroom and fart if you have to" and then the next day in the middle of watching a movie she lets out a monster toot so loud that the dog leaves the room.

OR "if you're going to sleep here, just understand I always like to have the bed made up after we get up, it's important to me. I don't care if you do it or I do it but we have to make the bed every morning", and then a week later we get up one morning and have to go somewhere and I go to make the bed and, "Screw that, we'll do it later, we have to go."

All this boils down to the fact that she just might surprise the HELL out of you the next time you see her, if there is a next time.
You might need that first aid kit....because suddenly now SHE IS ready!

I understand what you're saying, C.B. And if I thought Sherri was the worth it, I'd be patient and invest more time in her. There's a couple of other ladies I'm seeing that don't have Sherri's problems or antiquated outlook on sexuality. If Sherri wants to continue a dialog with me, she's welcome to. I, however have already moved on from any hope that anything worthwhile would ever develop between us - not because she rejected me, but for the immature way she handled the rejection. I need people that I hang out with to act like grown ups or I don't have time for them.
 
Pffffftttt, come on you...there is no such thing as "normal" women. Ain't none nowhere, and ain't nevuh been none.
You have to allow a woman the chance to let things percolate and some wimminzes don't percolate all the same.

Then I guess what I'm saying instead of "normal" is "women who are compatible with me, both intellectually and sexually". Sheri is not that person.
 
It's not about OWING anyone anything. You are an idiot if you think that's what I'm saying. We're in our 50's friend. We're on a dating site whose objective is to connect compatible people. I don't know how old you are but in 2019, sex is something to be enjoyed by healthy people. It's actually part of the dating ritchual these days. She doesn't feel that way, she's still in 1940 like you.

Ummm, the 1940's called and they said that sex was happening a lot back then, too. There was just a bit more kabuki theater surrounding it and you had to "keep up appearances" more back then but never you mind, people were getting down plenty.
 
Sorry man, but you did everything wrong, beginning with the word "assumed". At your age you should know the phrase "Women need a reason to have sex, men only need a place."

I learned a great lesson from my daughter some years back - "never assume, wait until you are asked."

I'm turning 70 on the Ides of March, and I live by that rule and the discovery in latter years sometimes intimacy is as if not more rewarding than intercourse.

Good man. You and your daughter do things your way and I'll do mine. Except for that trainwreck of a night with Sheri on Saturday, things seem to be going ok for me in the dating department.

Thanks for sharing.
 
Let's not gang up on the guy. He seems to have a high sex drive and a secular mentality about sexual intercourse, neither of which are his fault, so instead of judging him, we should give him brotherly advice about how he can have his urges met in a God-honoring manner. OP, don't you want to marry, settle down, build a family, and obtain, you know... all the good stuff that come with being a family man? :cowboy:

This is a secular forum, which is why it's called "sex and sexuality" and not something else with "God-honoring" in it.
But more importantly, some people believe that God intended people to have sexual intimacy in or outside of marriage as they see fit. Not everyone believes in the fundamentalist Christian version of God.
 
Ummm, the 1940's called and they said that sex was happening a lot back then, too. There was just a bit more kabuki theater surrounding it and you had to "keep up appearances" more back then but never you mind, people were getting down plenty.

And that's exactly the term that comes to mind. Sheri wants the "Kabuki theater". I don't. Be real or don't be with me.
 
I'm 58 years old. I had a date Saturday night with a 53 year-old woman I've been communicating with for several months. Saturday was our third date - I took her to see, "Bohemian Rhapsody" at a movie theater that serves you drinks and dinner during the movie. It was pretty cool. But I just went off on a tangent.

So we get back to her place. She tells me her 2 kids that live with her are staying at a hotel overnight and would I like to come in. So I assumed at that point - her telling me her kids were gone - inviting me in - the fact it was our third date - I assumed she was inviting me in to spend the night.

So we're on her couch, we're talking for a bit, then I start to kiss her. She pulls back. I ask her how long it's been since she's been with someone. She tells me a very long time. I tell her not to worry, I'll take care of everything, then I gently take her hands and try to get her started towards her bedroom. She pulls back again and says, "No, I'm NOT READY!". I ask her, gently why she thinks that is. She tells me she "doesn't know me well enough". This woman and I have been talking for months. She knows my family - where I went to school. She knows who my friends are. We're facebook friends. In my opinion this woman knows me better than most women do when they first decide they want to have sex with a guy.

So the "not knowing me well enough" excuse was bull****.

I don't understand why this chick is even on a dating site if she has such a puritanical and unhealthy outlook on sex. She needs to get off the dating site and get into therapy for her anxiety about human intimacy in my opinion or her cycle of being disappointed and disappointing men is going to continue.

So my question is to the ladies:

It's been possibly years since you've been intimate with a guy. You're sitting on a couch with a guy you're obviously interested in. He wants to sleep with you. What in the world was this girl thinking? Why the **** is she even on a dating site?

Thanks.

She gave you a raft of signals and you read them normally, imo. Maybe she had second thoughts or something? I dunno, the few times something like that happened to me, the woman turned out to be nuts.

Be very wary.

Good luck.
 
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