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Wanting laws that force people to recognize your gender is pure narcissism

Crusader13 said:
Wrong. Many feminine or masculine traits are biologically driven. Working outdoors doing heavy lifting is isn't seen as masculine because of social constructs. It's masculine because men were built stronger and more sturdy. Facial hair isn't masculine because of social constructs. It's masculine because it signifies a higher level of testosterone (and thus suitability for mating).

Breasts aren't feminine because of a social construct. They're feminine because females developed them throughout history by pushing their chest forward to attract mates. Being more empathetic isn't feminine because of a social construct. It's feminine because women are psychologically geared to connect better with people and provide emotional support to children while the men either died or were out hunting. You could probably find a historical or evolutionary origin of every so-called social construct of gender, so they're not really social constructs at all.



HAHA telling a doctor who's trying to diagnose your abdominal pain that you identify as Androgynes or non-binary (both from the list of recently recognized genders) doesn't make a damn difference. In fact, there's almost no medical condition which can be more accurately diagnosed or treated by telling the doctor your self-identified gender.

It's the same way bathrooms. They're segregated into male and female purely because of genitalia, which influences the way males and females act and even do their business. Your self-identified gender makes no difference to either so there's no reason for a bathroom to accommodate it. If you've got a penis you simply use the penis-designated bathrooms and if you have a vagina use the vagina-designated bathrooms. Can't believe this even has to be explained to adults.
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This seems to be the postmodernist conundrum. A lot of people seem to think the only reason something is seen as masculine or feminine is because of societal norms. And that can be true for a lot of things. But societal norms weren't created out of someone's arbitrary assignment that something is feminine or masculine. Societal norms are reflective of behavioral phenomena.

The postmodernist reject the concept of behavioral phenomena proceeding societal norms. The truth is it is a gray area. Certain things seen as feminine and masculine are arbitrary other things are not. I think the postmodernist and the people who argue against them don'ts realize that some are and some aren't.
 
ecofarm said:
Why do you support the abuse of disabled transgender people? Is it the disabled or the transgender part you hate more?
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Calling a person that wants to be called something else isn't abuse. It is rude. But rudeness isn't against the law.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Calling a person that wants to be called something else isn't abuse. It is rude. But rudeness isn't against the law.
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We're talking about disabled patients and their professional caregivers. Caregivers that are already held by law for abuse. You think it's okay for nurses to abuse the disabled in their care?
 
ecofarm said:
We're talking about disabled patients and their professional caregivers. Caregivers that are already held by law for abuse. You think it's okay for nurses to abuse the disabled in their care?
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Calling somebody something they don't want to be called is not abuse.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Calling somebody something they don't want to be called is not abuse.
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Even when it's a professional caregiver and someone in their care, and done maliciously?

That's rock stupid. The law disagrees with your idiotic BS. You just want these people abused.
 
The question is about LAWS restricting free speech and forcing people by laws to say what they oppose or do not believe.

Whether calling someone by a pronoun other than what a person want's to be called? A crime?

People call each other all sorts of horrible names and insults. So what is that one - even if offensive - something so special that merely saying other than the government dictated 2 or 3 letter pronoun should be made illegal?
 
ecofarm said:
Even when it's a professional caregiver and someone in their care, and done maliciously?

That's rock stupid. The law disagrees with your idiotic BS. You just want these people abused.
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Clax posted NOTHING indicating he "want"s anyone "abused." Your message is attacking, insulting and offensive towards Clax. So you "want to abuse" him?
 
ecofarm said:
My assessment of your nazi garbage is correct.

You seek to demonize and marginalize the disabled and the transgender by supporting their abuse in nursing homes.

Case closed.
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No, nothing eohrnberger posted "seeks to demonize and marginalize the disabled and transgenders," not that he supports "their abuse in nursing homes." Other than such offensive personal attacks, anything to say on the topic itself.
 
Crusader13 said:
'Woman' and 'man' are not traditional genders - they're sexes. If someone was calling me a woman they'd be factually incorrect because my chromosomes say so. My preferred pronoun is actually "Tom". That's my name. I'm proud of it and I often tell people to call me that as much as possible.

Either way I wouldn't really give a damn. If I don't meet someone's arbitrary, personal standard on what constitutes a man or a "real Tom" then I'm not going to lose sleep, and I'm definitely not going to kill myself over it (that's a separate mental issue all together). Other people are just as entitled to form a personal opinion about me as I am about myself. As long as those opinions don't start skewing social, medical, or legal standards than I'm cool.
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It is common in these debates for some people to replace "sex" with "gender," and then rant by falsely using "gender" instead of "sex."
 
Crusader13 said:
Stop me if this sounds familiar:



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That's the medical definition of narcissistic personality disorder, and it matches the entire transgender movement to a tee.

Expecting laws that forcibly coerce people into recognizing your personal and unique position on the gender spectrum is a blatant form of egotistic self-glorification. Gender doesn't have to make sense; it's something personal that should matter only to you. The saying often goes that "there are over 7 billion genders". I can get on board with that - everyone has their own exact position on the gender scale. Me and my brother are both masculine men, but he's slightly more so than me. I'm proudly a pinch more feminine than he is. Everyone's different. In a way, that's what makes you special. Your gender is what makes you, you.

But forcing your unique, one-of-a-kind emotive state into laws and social policies is a new level of narcissism. Nobody should have to legally recognize your personal image of yourself. Expecting so is a blatant sign that you think your way of thinking and self-discovery deserves to be put on a pedestal for everyone to hear. It doesn't. You're not special (to anyone else other than yourself). None of us are. Your way of doing things is no more or less valid than anyone else's, so stop acting like it.

Bathrooms, medical classifications, changing rooms, and personal detail forms are segregated on biological sex because that's all that matters. Your personal feelings (ie gender) make no difference to the way a doctor diagnoses you, nor does it have any place in public facilities designed to separate people based on their genitalia.
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uhm . . what laws do that?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Calling a person something other than what they wish to be called is not abuse.
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It is when it's a disabled person and their professional care.
 
ecofarm said:
It is when it's a disabled person and their professional care.
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if a disabled person wants to be called his Royal Highness it's against the law not to?

You'll have to show me this law because it sounds far-fetched, and if it does exist I imagine it will be challenged in federal court.
 
CLAX1911 said:
if a disabled person wants to be called his Royal Highness it's against the law not to?

You'll have to show me this law because it sounds far-fetched, and if it does exist I imagine it will be challenged in federal court.
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It's a shame that you don't believe professional caregivers are held to criminal standards. Professional caregivers are not allowed to abuse those in their care - it's criminal. That you can't understand that says volumes about your ethics.
 
ecofarm said:
It's a shame that you don't believe professional caregivers are held to criminal standards. Professional caregivers are not allowed to abuse those in their care - it's criminal. That you can't understand that says volumes about your ethics.
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Calling people something other than what they wish to be called it's not abuse.
 
ecofarm said:
It's a shame that you don't believe professional caregivers are held to criminal standards. Professional caregivers are not allowed to abuse those in their care - it's criminal. That you can't understand that says volumes about your ethics.
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So you can't cite a law?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Calling people something other than what they wish to be called it's not abuse.
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Repeatedly doing so in order to upset a patient in one's care is abuse. You're a cop and you don't understand ethical responsibility regarding those under one's authority and care? That's frightening.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So you can't cite a law?
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It's the only transgender misidentification law in existence.

So unless you want to debate your transphobic fanstasies (I wont), that's all you ****ing got. You need to deal with reality. No one wants to debate your pathetic victim fantasies.
 
ecofarm said:
Repeatedly doing so in order to upset a patient in one's care is abuse. You're a cop and you don't understand ethical responsibility regarding those under one's authority and care? That's frightening.
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Ethical responsibility to placate someone's delusion? And I'm not a cop.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Ethical responsibility to placate someone's delusion? And I'm not a cop.
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Professional care. Documented, repeated, malicious abuse.

Anyone supporting that is disgusting scum.

Thank god you're not a cop. I hope you don't have any authority because you demonstrate no ethics in regard to authority.
 
ecofarm said:
It's the only transgender misidentification law in existence.

So unless you want to debate your transphobic fanstasies (I wont), that's all you ****ing got. You need to deal with reality. No one wants to debate your pathetic victim fantasies.
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Sounds like it'll be overturned in court once this trans tender thing dies off.
 
ecofarm said:
Professional care. Documented, repeated, malicious abuse.

Anyone supporting that is disgusting scum.

Thank god you're not a cop. I hope you don't have any authority because you demonstrate no ethics in regard to authority.
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It isn't abuse to call someone something other than what they wish to be called.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Sounds like it'll be overturned in court once this trans tender thing dies off.
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Sounds like you have no clue what you're pathetically trying to debate, and you hate transgenders.
 
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