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ecofarm said:

This is what happens when one starts with a conclusion ("men are victims") and seeks out narratives to support that conclusion.

Crybaby victim-complex. Nothing more.

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What a grasp at creating a strawman. Nothing of the OP message indicates a claim that men are victims.

Laws and social programs highly reward single parenting. If a woman has 3 children by a husband she is married to, the family income is calculated on both their income. If a woman is unmarried and has 3 children by 3 different men, she can draw full benefits - many - and be receiving child support from as many as 3 men. Single parenting by birth mothers is a potential career decision for how both the laws on child support and how social programs work.

Crusader13 said:

Single motherhood is definitely glorified in the mainstream progressive culture. It tends to be a prominent theme in entertainment or cinema, and always attracts a "you go go girl! Strong independent women ftw!" type response.

In reality most single mothers (especially in the black community) have equally themselves to blame for their terrible burden. Don't have sex, or at least only have it with men who have their **** together and clearly aren't just after a quick release from you. Do that, and it's very unlikely you'll find yourself raising kids alone. Of course the progressives hate that reasoning as it pushes for personal responsibility.

It's easier to just do stupid things and them blame the orange man for not wanting to clean the mess for them.

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Are you trying to compete for the title?

Lursa said:

So then no single women/single mothers were complaining, as you claimed.

Thank you.

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Demanding the right to kill a child or to get free money for having sex is the definition of entitlement, and it's definitely complaining.

If you describe men that cannot control their sexual urges around women

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You're still not getting it. Most men can and do control themselves around women, hence why rape is actually a rare crime. It is when the woman pulls down her panties and bends over that most men become trapped. I don't know why you would lament that; the woman is being just as irresponsible for offering sex as the man is for accepting it. But as biology and social construct will attest, it is much easier for a woman to walk away (or simply not offer it in the first place). And given that sex can harm her much worse than it does the man, she shouldn't be complaining when she gets knocked up by a deadbeat.

Now you are implying that all men are violent and dangerous and that we all will pay the consequences if we dont pay enough attention to you.

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No, I'm implying that all men have the ability to be violent and dangerous and they need to know how to harvest that ability into good, healthy things. Self-loathing feminists like you who take every opportunity to highlight the worst in men and make them feel like there's something wrong with them for wanting to hit on women or succeed at work make things much harder. Assuming women are victims, they are also the perpetrators. You and your type are the problem.

About 87-88% of all violent crime in the US is perpetrated by men

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And about 99% of people who fought for your freedom have been men. 93% of people who die to ensure your electricity stays on or your streets stay safe are men. Most suicides are men. Most homeless people are men (so much for the gender pay gap). Most educational failures are by men. In reality women have been given the much better end of the deal. That they are the loudest to complain about inequality has gone beyond hilarious and into disturbia. You strong, independent women wouldn't last a day without men.

I have never glorified single mothers with illegitimate children. I do not want to help them. I want them denied welfare money. Children are the responsibility of their parents. Responsible married couples should not be taxed to support the illegitimate and frequently horrid children of sexually irresponsible and frequently worthless and dangerous parents.

joko104 said:

What a grasp at creating a strawman. Nothing of the OP message indicates a claim that men are victims.

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This seems to be a standard thing when you're criticizing something. People will call you in Nazi or mischaracterize but you're saying in order to avoid criticism.

The fact remains children especially boys growing up with a single mother standing much higher likelihood to be involved in drug use abuse of their own spouse or girlfriend criminal Behavior and they're not as likely to succeed professionally.

This I see as a problem. But people who don't want to acknowledge this problem will say that I'm being hateful toward women or single mothers.

Oh I'm really doing is stating a fact thats really rather undeniable

SmartCat said:

I have never glorified single mothers with illegitimate children. I do not want to help them. I want them denied welfare money. Children are the responsibility of their parents. Responsible married couples should not be taxed to support the illegitimate and frequently horrid children of sexually irresponsible and frequently worthless and dangerous parents.

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You can have compassion for a single mother and at the same time think that that is not the ideal environment for a child to grow up in.

Just because you recognize the fact that children benefit from having a mother and a father in the house does that mean that single mothers should be punished denigrated or even ridiculed.

Lursa said:

Wow! You make men sound like weak-minded neanderthals!

That is some victim mentality you have going on there!

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We're learning neanderthals were not weak minded, in their time as sophisticated as homo sapiens, yet this guy sounds like a throw back to a much earlier age.

Crusader13 said:

Single motherhood is definitely glorified in the mainstream progressive culture. It tends to be a prominent theme in entertainment or cinema, and always attracts a "you go go girl! Strong independent women ftw!" type response.

In reality most single mothers (especially in the black community) have equally themselves to blame for their terrible burden. Don't have sex, or at least only have it with men who have their **** together and clearly aren't just after a quick release from you. Do that, and it's very unlikely you'll find yourself raising kids alone. Of course the progressives hate that reasoning as it pushes for personal responsibility.

It's easier to just do stupid things and them blame the orange man for not wanting to clean the mess for them.

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I would go farther and say hedonism is glorified. It's like a rite of passage these days. Pregnancy out of wedlock seems to be a commonplace thing because of this.

Then you have government assistance. If a woman is on government assistance and has a child , they're penalized if they are married and their husband lives with them. So you get better benefits if you kick the guy out and never marry him.

This is why it seems to strike poor people much more.

I would never disparage single mothers. Sometimes people marry the wrong guy or choose the wrong guy to be with sometimes the guy that chose to be with leaves or dies. A mother who does right by her kids should not be looked down upon for this. But this should be the last resort sort of thing, not the norm.

Crusader13 said:

Demanding the right to kill a child or to get free money for having sex is the definition of entitlement, and it's definitely complaining.

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:lamo:lamo:lamo

We HAVE this. Have had it at least 40 yrs . No women are complaining.

Complain:

to express grief, pain, or discontent
Complain | Definition of Complain by Merriam-Webster

If you complain about a situation, you say that you are not satisfied with it.
Complain definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Express dissatisfaction or annoyance about something.
complain | Definition of complain in English by Oxford Dictionaries

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^^^ This is you, not women, about those issues. :roll:

Care to lie some more? It might be better to study a dictionary because "child support" is not "free money for having sex." That's a pathetic, victimized view of taking responsibility for your decisions. And either parent has to pay it if they are not the custodial parent...dont want to pay...get joint or full custody...meaning, actually act like a man.

Crusader13 said:

You're still not getting it. Most men can and do control themselves around women, hence why rape is actually a rare crime. It is when the woman pulls down her panties and bends over that most men become trapped. I don't know why you would lament that; the woman is being just as irresponsible for offering sex as the man is for accepting it. But as biology and social construct will attest, it is much easier for a woman to walk away (or simply not offer it in the first place). And given that sex can harm her much worse than it does the man, she shouldn't be complaining when she gets knocked up by a deadbeat.

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Whew!!! 1st class victimization there. THe entire paragraph is a load of pathetic foot stamping.

And again, women arent complaining and it's not even left up to the woman to ask for child support. Not only that, you've been informed of this in another thread so you are here, continually bringing it up, dishonestly.

If a woman or man applies for public assistance, the state or county will go after the non-custodial parent for child support or deny the benefits.

So...you are lying and playing the victim. Hold your head high!

Crusader13 said:

And about 99% of people who fought for your freedom have been men. 93% of people who die to ensure your electricity stays on or your streets stay safe are men. Most suicides are men. Most homeless people are men (so much for the gender pay gap). Most educational failures are by men. In reality women have been given the much better end of the deal. That they are the loudest to complain about inequality has gone beyond hilarious and into disturbia. You strong, independent women wouldn't last a day without men.

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And 99% of the people who gestated the population and then raised them are women.

And the rest of your post is just more victimization. If I had any respect for your opinions at all I'd be thinking alot worse about men....very negatively. Fortunately, from my own experience I know you are wrong.

Crusader13 said:

No, I'm implying that all men have the ability to be violent and dangerous and they need to know how to harvest that ability into good, healthy things. Self-loathing feminists like you who take every opportunity to highlight the worst in men and make them feel like there's something wrong with them for wanting to hit on women or succeed at work make things much harder. Assuming women are victims, they are also the perpetrators. You and your type are the problem.

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Pleases dont bring your problems to the forum and act like they affect everyone. Or go to one of the self-help sections. You are an embarrassment to the entire male sex. I'm not remotely any kind of militant feminist but I could not respect any man that whines and blames other people for their failings like you have posted here.

OTOH, this has all been YOUR portrayal of men...not mine.

We HAVE this. Have had it at least 40 yrs . No women are complaining.

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So I guess all those women at pro-choice marches, and those demanding looser laws to be able to abort at any time, even outside of the womb ffs, aren't complaining? Get real. This entire planet is sick of hearing women moan from their luxurious ivory castles.

Who pushes the myth of the gender pay gap even though it's been debunked endless times? Women.
Who pushes the myth of rape culture even though it's been debunked endless times? Women.
Who wants innocent men to be fired and charged simply at a woman's say-so without the need for evidence or due process? Women.
Who uses men's grooming product commercials to tell men how they should act, but then scream bloody murder when someone tells them how to act? Women.
Who (mostly) took to the streets in 2016 because their candidate didn't won on the basis of having a vagina? Women.
Who painted Trump as a sexual assaulter for consentingly grabbing women by the genitals? Women.

I'm tired just thinking about it.

child support" is not "free money for having sex."

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Child support = money
To get child support, you have to have a child.
To have a child, you need to have sex.
Child support = money for having sex.

And 99% of the people who gestated the population and then raised them are women.

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Well duh...100% of people who've lived throughout history have been from the sperm a man produces. And no, women don't raise 99% of the population. Most women wouldn't even be able to carry to birth without the assistance and care of men.

Pleases dont bring your problems to the forum and act like they affect everyone.

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I don't have to act...the data clearly shows that most men are suffering from the mentioned issues. The male suicide rate is through the roof. Most people in prison are men. Most homeless people are men. Most high-school and college dropouts are men. Most military deaths are men. Most workplace deaths are men. It's not just me sweetheart, this is what we serious people call a problem, and it needs to be dealt with. Your attempt to downplay it only shows your true character (or lack of). All you've done in this thread is tried to argue that men are somehow at fault for sleeping with women after being offered sex, and thrown a hissy fit when someone suggests that women should be taking more responsibility, and to top it off you claim that women aren't complaining. You can't even brain.