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Hormones, surgery, regret

SheWolf said:
It's not criminal or near criminal to question a person's transgender status. You are so dramatic.

Secondly, these people should get proper therapy before and after surgery and hormones. It should be required. I don't understand transgenderism, but I also know people in America have the right, and should always have the right to make decisions about how they live. The government shouldn't baby sit and protect people from making decisions, and regretting decisions. That has always been a bad argument imo.
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Nor should people be punished for not buying into what they want to call or do to themselves.
you left that part out for some reasons.

you can live however you want but no one should be punished for saying something about it. yet they are.
people lose jobs are harassed and sent death threats by militants that if you don't fall into step will harass you.
 
Renae said:
Yeha, that's what I'm totes saying... Or I'm offering my opinion that he wasn't honest with himself and others. Can I flip this back at you "So anyone the has a different viewpoint should just shut up?"
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transition regret is a real thing and the people that feel that way are demonized by that community when they shouldn't be.
the fact you think they shouldn't speak out tells us all we need to know.

there are a ton of stories out there about people convinced they were the opposite sex and then regretted changing it.
 
ludin said:
Nor should people be punished for not buying into what they want to call or do to themselves.
you left that part out for some reasons.

you can live however you want but no one should be punished for saying something about it. yet they are.
people lose jobs are harassed and sent death threats by militants that if you don't fall into step will harass you.
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Free Speech doesn't mean free of consequences. Just free from GOVERNMENT consequences.
 
ludin said:
transition regret is a real thing and the people that feel that way are demonized by that community when they shouldn't be.
the fact you think they shouldn't speak out tells us all we need to know.

there are a ton of stories out there about people convinced they were the opposite sex and then regretted changing it.
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I don't recall saying he should not be allowed to speak... you are making false claims about my position.
 
Renae said:
Free Speech doesn't mean free of consequences. Just free from GOVERNMENT consequences.
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Sorry but i disagree that because some militant group think complex that people have should be forced on everyone.
not if we live in a free society where there freedom of thought and the ability to disagree.

sorry is someone wants to do whatever they want to themselves fine but you can't expect everyone else to agree
or accept it.

simply not how life works and nor should those people be punished for it by the militant group think police.
 
Renae said:
I don't recall saying he should not be allowed to speak... you are making false claims about my position.
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Do you need to go back and read what you wrote because you said exactly that when asked the question if he should sit down and shut up.
you agreed he should.
 
ludin said:
Sorry but i disagree that because some militant group think complex that people have should be forced on everyone.
not if we live in a free society where there freedom of thought and the ability to disagree.

sorry is someone wants to do whatever they want to themselves fine but you can't expect everyone else to agree
or accept it.

simply not how life works and nor should those people be punished for it by the militant group think police.
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No, seriously that is how it works. If you stand in front of your business extolling the virtues of the KKK, you'll get fired and rightly so.
 
ludin said:
Do you need to go back and read what you wrote because you said exactly that when asked the question if he should sit down and shut up.
you agreed he should.
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No I didn't but you're militantly anti-trans/lgbt so you'll be as negative as you can be,.
 
Renae said:
No, seriously that is how it works. If you stand in front of your business extolling the virtues of the KKK, you'll get fired and rightly so.
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I didn't say that isn't how it works. that would be a violation of company rules.
however the fact it shouldn't work that way is the thing.
 
Renae said:
No I didn't but you're militantly anti-trans/lgbt so you'll be as negative as you can be,.
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Not at all i am far from militant anti anything.
but that is how the demonizing starts.

Not being negative. i am going by the words that you posted.
 
ludin said:
Not at all i am far from militant anti anything.
but that is how the demonizing starts.

Not being negative. i am going by the words that you posted.
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Whatever makes you happy
 
jmotivator said:
So, should those who have a bad experience with GRS keep quiet? That seems to be your arguement here.
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If they are blaming GRS rather than their own lack of honesty and/or patience with the process, then they are being dishonest again about what the cause of the problem is, especially if they simply claim that it is GRS rather than other things that are specific to their own situation. So yes, they should keep quiet because they are spreading lies and/or misinformation.
 
jmotivator said:
Right, but how do you know that until you get a sex change and start to realize that feeling that you are the wrong sex hasn't gone away?
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There are mechanisms in place to help a person figure out prior to a sex change if it is really right for them. Even then, they may get it wrong on occasion. But if someone doesn't even go through the proper process for such therapy, then they are much more likely to be wrong. That is why therapists exist in the first place, to help us find out what mental health problems we have and what is the best way to alleviate them. They are not there to facilitate your wishes simply because you think you know what is going on.
 
Renae said:
This dude, he is an outlier. Damn of course there are going to be people that don't have positive experiences with something as massive to their lives as GRS.
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Transgenders after surgery comit suicide at the same rate as transgenders who do not have surgery. From a mental health perspective, sex change surgery accomplishes nothing.
 
dixon01767 said:
Transgenders after surgery comit suicide at the same rate as transgenders who do not have surgery. From a mental health perspective, sex change surgery accomplishes nothing.
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Shrug, it solves many things for many people but not all things for all people.
 
dixon01767 said:
Transgenders after surgery comit suicide at the same rate as transgenders who do not have surgery. From a mental health perspective, sex change surgery accomplishes nothing.
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This has been discussed extensively , on this site, between someone who made that claim, and someone who was a clinical phsycologist who had a number of transgender patients., with sources involved and an examination of the actual data and papers written about it.

Your claim is false.
 
dixon01767 said:
Transgenders after surgery comit suicide at the same rate as transgenders who do not have surgery. From a mental health perspective, sex change surgery accomplishes nothing.
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Yeah... You're going to need to source that. Please provide.
 
Renae said:
Shrug, it solves many things for many people but not all things for all people.
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Enhances their ability to make money in the sex trade.
 
RAMOSS said:
This has been discussed extensively , on this site, between someone who made that claim, and someone who was a clinical phsycologist who had a number of transgender patients., with sources involved and an examination of the actual data and papers written about it.

Your claim is false.
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No, its accurate, but I understand why you NEED to believe otherwise.
 
dixon01767 said:
Transgenders after surgery comit suicide at the same rate as transgenders who do not have surgery. From a mental health perspective, sex change surgery accomplishes nothing.
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What is your source on that? Most of the studies that have been shown on this site don't show an actual comparison of pre vs post op. They show transgender vs non transgender, which does nothing to show whether surgery increases or decreases the risk of suicide. Additionally, the study would need to rule out other factors, such as bullying, which is a suicide risk factor all by itself. Furthermore, studying the full SRS alone is pointless given that it is not always needed to alleviate GD.

You have made your claim, now support it.

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