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    Re: Gay penguins raise chick

    Quote Originally Posted by CannonballB View Post
    I have to work with what I have today, not some ideal future state.
    But what we do today determines the future state. Nothing happens on its own.

    You agree that it is ideal for biological parents to be raising their children instead of this continuous problem where many of them are unfit or unable and the child ends up on the street or in adoption homes. So I think most of our efforts need to be on addressing this, instead of letting it happen but pretending it's OK because gay couples can be there to adopt the child when they have already been thru hell.

    Also, to dispute your original point, and I already have, gays can be just as good of parents, if not better, than straight people.
    This is still debatable. Gays have only been raising kids as a legally recognized and supported family model for the last 10-20 years. Heterosexuals have been doing it for millions of years thru famine, disaster, tyranny, plagues, and all sorts of other barriers. It is a tried and tested model for raising kids and growing a society. Homosexuality isn't.

    I would argue that it's impossible for anyone to love anything the way a biological parent loves their child. This is especially true for women (mothers) who traditionally show way more love towards their kids than fathers do. That's because fathers don't know what it feels like to carry said child for 9 months thru agony and pain. They'll never have that same intimate connection with a child as the mother forms during pregnancy. So gay male couples will never be able to provide said love to their adopted children.

    Granted - with lesbians it is different because they can carry a child via artificial insemination, but that's a different story. Many female animals can get pregnant but still lack the motherly instincts to raise their offspring.

    Then yes, the gays would need to find surrogate parents or artificial insemination.
    Which are both terrible avenues to go down on a social level. It will lead to commercial surrogacy, where a woman gives up her body and genitals for the lure of money, often against her will because she has nothing else to eat and is forced to do it. This is not something to embrace or encourage. It's the same as prostitution.

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    Re: Gay penguins raise chick

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    But what we do today determines the future state. Nothing happens on its own.

    You agree that it is ideal for biological parents to be raising their children instead of this continuous problem where many of them are unfit or unable and the child ends up on the street or in adoption homes. So I think most of our efforts need to be on addressing this, instead of letting it happen but pretending it's OK because gay couples can be there to adopt the child when they have already been thru hell.



    This is still debatable. Gays have only been raising kids as a legally recognized and supported family model for the last 10-20 years. Heterosexuals have been doing it for millions of years thru famine, disaster, tyranny, plagues, and all sorts of other barriers. It is a tried and tested model for raising kids and growing a society. Homosexuality isn't.

    I would argue that it's impossible for anyone to love anything the way a biological parent loves their child. This is especially true for women (mothers) who traditionally show way more love towards their kids than fathers do. That's because fathers don't know what it feels like to carry said child for 9 months thru agony and pain. They'll never have that same intimate connection with a child as the mother forms during pregnancy. So gay male couples will never be able to provide said love to their adopted children.

    Granted - with lesbians it is different because they can carry a child via artificial insemination, but that's a different story. Many female animals can get pregnant but still lack the motherly instincts to raise their offspring.



    Which are both terrible avenues to go down on a social level. It will lead to commercial surrogacy, where a woman gives up her body and genitals for the lure of money, often against her will because she has nothing else to eat and is forced to do it. This is not something to embrace or encourage. It's the same as prostitution.
    Your bull**** slippery slope slop, is just that, bull****. I'm not even going to bother to refute your ignorance because why bother? History is edging out people that think like this. Thank god, it can't come soon enough.

    Also, I notice you didn't bother to address or refute my question about adoptive parents and the children of theirs. Depending on the results of that would right there refute every. single. sentence. in this slop.

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    Re: Gay penguins raise chick

    Quote Originally Posted by CannonballB View Post
    One last thing, we talk about how it's best if biological parents raise their kids. I'm going to devils advocate that - do children who don't know their adopted not bond to their adoptive parents the way a child would to their birth parent? Are there any studies done on this? I question to what extent that the "biological parent" argument is really valid.
    I don't think the preference for biological parents raising children has anything to do with the fact that biological parents are almost always heterosexual. Biological parents are preferred becuae thay are the only two people in the world obligated by law, by the birth of the child, to provide and care for the child. Without them, the child has only a hope that someone else will voluntarily assume those responsibilities. With all the single women raising children on their own we can see this frequently doesn't happen. Children born to single mothers have higher rates of poverty, juvenile delinquency, drug and alcohol abuse, teen pregnancy, HS dropouts and criminal conviction as an adult.
    Despite the legal fiction of gay marriage, marriage was never limited to men and women in order to exclude homosexuals. It was so limited to include all those who could possibly produce children.

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    Re: Gay penguins raise chick

    Have these "gay penguins" been observed engaging in sex with each other, or have they instead merely rubbed beaks together and shared a nest? I think being "gay" is purely a human invention. Roy and Silo were labeled as gay penguins at the NY Zoo back in the early 90s. Silo later paired with a female and has been nesting with her since. Animal engage in homosexual behavior, but return to heterosexual behavior to breed. These gay penguins usually result from a shortage of females and disappears with an abundance of females. Think its absurd to take the term gay and apply it to animals.

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    Re: Gay penguins raise chick

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    SYDNEY, Australia — It was a young penguin colony, and all but one of the couples were pretty bad parents. They would get distracted from their nests, go for a swim or play, and so neglected eggs were getting cold, likely never to hatch. This was normal for inexperienced penguins, and the aquarium managers didn’t worry. Next mating season would be better. One couple, though, was extraordinary. Not because they were the colony’s only gay penguins, though they were, but because Sphen and Magic looked like they would make great, diligent, careful egg-warming parents. They made the biggest nest, and they sat on it constantly.

    Curious, the aquarium managers gave the two males a dummy egg. They took to it. And so then, when a particularly negligent heterosexual penguin couple looked to be leaving an egg exposed (females lay two, but usually only one survives), the aquarium workers figured they would give it to Sphen and Magic. In October, that egg hatched. Now the chick of a gay penguin union is waddling around an ice enclosure by the touristy docks in Sydney.




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    The Gay Penguins of Australia - The New York Times

    We've got also a pair of gay swans in Boston Common's main pond, at least during the warmer months. (Or did. It's been a while since they were last written about, or at least, since I noticed it and I don't know how long swans live). If you don't want to use it for debate, well, it's an interesting enough story.



    If you do, well.....

    I do hope nobody intends to tell me that these penguins and/or swans are going to be sent to hell by a God because of making a "choice" that this God disapproves of.
    In one of the many German zoo programs I watch there is a gay stork couple who are good nest warmers and protectors and they have just been given 2 eggs by the zookeepers from one of the other stork couples, in this case an elderly couple of storks who had laid 4 eggs but the keepers knew they would struggle to raise that many chicks so they decided to give the "gay storks" the other 2 eggs. They started with laying 2 plaster cast eggs in the nest so that the gay storks would start tending to the nest and then swapped those plaster eggs out with the 2 real eggs and hey presto, they now were real parents.

    I have even seen gay penguins breed a stone because they had no egg. A "gay" animal outside of mammals is not an issue (also not in human mammals because we can go buy milk in the store) because they do not have to have milk glands to feed their eggs, so gay birds is not an issue at all. People may poo poo it, but those are just weirdo's with weird preconceptions so I do not take them seriously.
    Rest in peace Princess Christina of the Netherlands and rest in peace Anthoine Hubert (22)

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    Re: Gay penguins raise chick

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    There is a special place in hell for “__________________!”
    If there were a hell (there isn't) then there would be a special place in hell for:

    - people whining about gay penguins or especially gay frogs (being turned gay by the water/government)

    - people who honestly think having no parents (living in an orphanage) is better for a child than having a same sex couple (women or men same sex couples) or for that matter even single parents, raise that child
    Rest in peace Princess Christina of the Netherlands and rest in peace Anthoine Hubert (22)

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