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Why is that legal and moral concept so difficult for some people to grasp?

One or more consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want to with each other. They don't need my permission or that of anyone else.
 
Todzilla said:
Why is that legal and moral concept so difficult for some people to grasp?

One or more consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want to with each other. They don't need my permission or that of anyone else.
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The feminists and their partners the government have vetoed that idea.
 
Proving consent is the tricky part.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The feminists and their partners the government have vetoed that idea.
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lol...heya, Hawk, long time, bud. Just wanted to check to make sure I'm reading this right. I'd never have guessed that Trump and the feminist are in cahoots. ;)
 
OlNate said:
lol...heya, Hawk, long time, bud. Just wanted to check to make sure I'm reading this right. I'd never have guessed that Trump and the feminist are in cahoots. ;)
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Letting famous people grope you instills empowerment.
 
Todzilla said:
Why is that legal and moral concept so difficult for some people to grasp?

One or more consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want to with each other. They don't need my permission or that of anyone else.
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Back when we had standards, the argument was that certain activities degrade society as a whole. Of course that ship has already sailed.
 
SDET said:
Back when we had standards, the argument was that certain activities degrade society as a whole. Of course that ship has already sailed.
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Do you believe that villifying homosexuality is healthy for society as a whole?
 
That's such a vague and ****ty standard. I don't know why we just don't forgo reason and go back to doing that! Also, segration then, segreation now, and segregation forever!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The feminists and their partners the government have vetoed that idea.
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That's BS. Esp since feminists tend to be liberal and support social tolerance.
 
Todzilla said:
Why is that legal and moral concept so difficult for some people to grasp?

One or more consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want to with each other. They don't need my permission or that of anyone else.
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I agree, especially with incest among consenting adults. Father and son denied the ability to "marry" is discrimination of sexual orientation. At the very least, state marriage is imposing its concept of sexual compatibility in order for two people to enjoy the civil privileges of what we call "state marriage".

What the state defines as sexual compatibility should have nothing to do with the endowment of state "marital" benefits.
 
Some people are struggling with a very simple OP.
 
Rickeroo said:
I agree, especially with incest among consenting adults. Father and son denied the ability to "marry" is discrimination of sexual orientation. At the very least, state marriage is imposing its concept of sexual compatibility in order for two people to enjoy the civil privileges of what we call "state marriage".

What the state defines as sexual compatibility should have nothing to do with the endowment of state "marital" benefits.
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If the son is over 18 and is fully consenting, why is it your or my business?
 
Todzilla said:
If the son is over 18 and is fully consenting, why is it your or my business?
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This one specific example is troubling to me. Theoretically, the father has held some power over the son for at least 18 years and could have caused all kinds of mental issues making the consent shady at best.

I personally feel marriage should have no definition of gender, age (assuming adults), race, etc. I don't know that the state should be encouraging any marriage, but whatever rules or rewards it applies should be done equally.

Opening it to absolutely anything is a bit troublesome for me, however. There is no great way to judge mental capacities in some situations.
 
Keridan said:
This one specific example is troubling to me. Theoretically, the father has held some power over the son for at least 18 years and could have caused all kinds of mental issues making the consent shady at best.

I personally feel marriage should have no definition of gender, age (assuming adults), race, etc. I don't know that the state should be encouraging any marriage, but whatever rules or rewards it applies should be done equally.

Opening it to absolutely anything is a bit troublesome for me, however. There is no great way to judge mental capacities in some situations.
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What you are saying has some merit, in my mind. My calculus would still be centered around whether or not the son was truly consenting, given the power the father could have over him. So, I stand by my point, but take yours as valid as well.
 
CLAX1911 said:
How can we be so sure that it's fully consenting? Does a father hold any influence at all over their children?
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That's a valid point. Consent can have gray areas, such as your example. If it's not fully consenting for reasons of influence, then yeah, I have a problem with it. Then again, if someone is in a marriage that has a legal contract behind it and the circumstances of the marriage change in ways that couldn't be foreseen, is it still a fully consenting relationship? Thinking of Melania here.
 
Todzilla said:
That's a valid point. Consent can have gray areas, such as your example. If it's not fully consenting for reasons of influence, then yeah, I have a problem with it.
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I would argue that a father-son relationship would always have that unless the two Were strangers who met by happenstance.

Then again, if someone is in a marriage that has a legal contract behind it and the circumstances of the marriage change in ways that couldn't be foreseen, is it still a fully consenting relationship? Thinking of Melania here.
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Yes because marriage is a choice you make everyday. Have you ever heard of the marriage is not working out?
 
Todzilla said:
If the son is over 18 and is fully consenting, why is it your or my business?
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I agree with you. Unfortunately what I did was mention "incest", which is a type of sexual relationship that should be included along with heterosexual and homosexual relationships as far as allowable marriage. If we look at "marriage" in this way, we are asking the state to give us a license to have sex. If we believe in this concept, then towns should also be able to issue "dating certificates" in order for my girlfriend and I to have sex.

The core of a father /son "marriage" likely wouldn't be sexual, but merely take advantage of the civil benefits afforded married couples. The father has no one else, the son doesn't either, so they want those benefits. In other words, legal marriage is a dry set of civil benefits that any two (or three) people should be able to enter into, regardless of anything sexual.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I would argue that a father-son relationship would always have that unless the two Were strangers who met by happenstance.
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Well, I would consider it a gray area, but I see your point.

CLAX1911 said:
Yes because marriage is a choice you make everyday. Have you ever heard of the marriage is not working out?
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I have more than heard of it. In many cases consent is unambiguous. But I've known of marriages that had gray areas (not mine).
 
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