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Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

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Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Gay Men

Norman Goldwasser is a therapist who likens homosexuality to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and claims his so-called therapy, a regimen rejected by every respected medical and mental health association, can alter one's sexual orientation. That's his daytime schtick. At night the guy "cruises" for sex on a gay dating website.

While I think it ridiculous to attempt to alter people's sexual orientation -- it's not as though there's overt encouragement to be gay, so there's no reason why anyone who isn't gay would seek same-sex partners/romantic relationships and live as a gay person -- the country's laws allow individuals thus inclined to do so. What I have a a bigger problem with is folks singing one tune and dancing to a diametrically opposite one.

Goldwasser is yet another manifestation of the degradation in integrity and honesty we observe throughout our society. While I'm willing to tolerate the existence and expression of a host of ideas, attitudes and behaviors I oppose, I just have no forbearance for hypocrisy presented to abet one's own fortunes or that deliberately dehumanizes others and destroys them by declaring their very being dysfunctional. If one is going to undertake such tacks, one must do so with portfolio and integrity.
 
Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Gay Men

Norman Goldwasser is a therapist who likens homosexuality to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and claims his so-called therapy, a regimen rejected by every respected medical and mental health association, can alter one's sexual orientation. That's his daytime schtick. At night the guy "cruises" for sex on a gay dating website.

While I think it ridiculous to attempt to alter people's sexual orientation -- it's not as though there's overt encouragement to be gay, so there's no reason why anyone who isn't gay would seek same-sex partners/romantic relationships and live as a gay person -- the country's laws allow individuals thus inclined to do so. What I have a a bigger problem with is folks singing one tune and dancing to a diametrically opposite one.

Goldwasser is yet another manifestation of the degradation in integrity and honesty we observe throughout our society. While I'm willing to tolerate the existence and expression of a host of ideas, attitudes and behaviors I oppose, I just have no forbearance for hypocrisy presented to abet one's own fortunes or that deliberately dehumanizes others and destroys them by declaring their very being dysfunctional. If one is going to undertake such tacks, one must do so with portfolio and integrity.

They are full self loathing, I see them all time on Grinder. They will hit on me one night, the next morning they are back to making homo jokes with their beer buddies.

I used to take pity on them. no more. Its 2018 if you dont have the gonads and self respect to come out you get no pity from me.
 
Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Gay Men

Norman Goldwasser is a therapist who likens homosexuality to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and claims his so-called therapy, a regimen rejected by every respected medical and mental health association, can alter one's sexual orientation. That's his daytime schtick. At night the guy "cruises" for sex on a gay dating website.

While I think it ridiculous to attempt to alter people's sexual orientation -- it's not as though there's overt encouragement to be gay, so there's no reason why anyone who isn't gay would seek same-sex partners/romantic relationships and live as a gay person -- the country's laws allow individuals thus inclined to do so. What I have a a bigger problem with is folks singing one tune and dancing to a diametrically opposite one.

Goldwasser is yet another manifestation of the degradation in integrity and honesty we observe throughout our society. While I'm willing to tolerate the existence and expression of a host of ideas, attitudes and behaviors I oppose, I just have no forbearance for hypocrisy presented to abet one's own fortunes or that deliberately dehumanizes others and destroys them by declaring their very being dysfunctional. If one is going to undertake such tacks, one must do so with portfolio and integrity.

It seems to be a psychosis with some of these folks. I think most people who are proponents of conversion therapy or even practitioners are at least to some degree homosexual themselves. The tend to adopt this sort of binge and Purge Behavior. They view it as sort of like an alcoholic slipping up and having another drink.

It's really myopic that they don't see their own psychosis for what it is. I have been there before I've never done conversion therapy but years ago I tried very hard to not be homosexual. And you can go along resisting things until you can resist no longer.

I find it sad more than anything. These people are so desperate to fit into some religion or social structure that they torture themselves. I did it for about 13 years and I have enough. But some of these people hey do it into their fifties and sixties I don't know how they do it.

I guess some people just never grow out of they're very limited religious views. I really do feel sorry for them.

I would love the opportunity to talk to an ex gay person I've never met one I've seen videos and crap on YouTube but I've never actually met a real person from that philosophy.

I really do wonder what makes them tick.
 
It seems to be a psychosis with some of these folks. I think most people who are proponents of conversion therapy or even practitioners are at least to some degree homosexual themselves. The tend to adopt this sort of binge and Purge Behavior. They view it as sort of like an alcoholic slipping up and having another drink.

It's really myopic that they don't see their own psychosis for what it is. I have been there before I've never done conversion therapy but years ago I tried very hard to not be homosexual. And you can go along resisting things until you can resist no longer.

I find it sad more than anything. These people are so desperate to fit into some religion or social structure that they torture themselves. I did it for about 13 years and I have enough. But some of these people hey do it into their fifties and sixties I don't know how they do it.

I guess some people just never grow out of they're very limited religious views. I really do feel sorry for them.

I would love the opportunity to talk to an ex gay person I've never met one I've seen videos and crap on YouTube but I've never actually met a real person from that philosophy.

I really do wonder what makes them tick.

More than one ex-gay came out an ex-ex-gay. They basically said they lied to themselves about it. Remember when two of the founding members of Exodus International ran off with each other?
 
More than one ex-gay came out an ex-ex-gay. They basically said they lied to themselves about it. Remember when two of the founding members of Exodus International ran off with each other?

Yeah I heard about that but I don't have any personal interaction with them. I find it curious it might just be my background in psychology.
 
More than one ex-gay came out an ex-ex-gay. They basically said they lied to themselves about it. Remember when two of the founding members of Exodus International ran off with each other?

Something doesn't smell right here. 60 years ago, homosexuality was listed as a disorder. Most people who stay "old school" aren't closet homosexuals. There may be a few strange examples that fit your premise, but that can't possibly be the rule. People act like history doesn't exist.
 
Something doesn't smell right here. 60 years ago, homosexuality was listed as a disorder. Most people who stay "old school" aren't closet homosexuals. There may be a few strange examples that fit your premise, but that can't possibly be the rule. People act like history doesn't exist.

Why can't it possibly be the rule? Seems logical to me. It would only be closet case people that want to put faith in something so absurd.
 
I’m shocked! SHOCKED I say!
 
Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Gay Men

Norman Goldwasser is a therapist who likens homosexuality to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and claims his so-called therapy, a regimen rejected by every respected medical and mental health association, can alter one's sexual orientation. That's his daytime schtick. At night the guy "cruises" for sex on a gay dating website.

While I think it ridiculous to attempt to alter people's sexual orientation -- it's not as though there's overt encouragement to be gay, so there's no reason why anyone who isn't gay would seek same-sex partners/romantic relationships and live as a gay person -- the country's laws allow individuals thus inclined to do so. What I have a a bigger problem with is folks singing one tune and dancing to a diametrically opposite one.

Goldwasser is yet another manifestation of the degradation in integrity and honesty we observe throughout our society. While I'm willing to tolerate the existence and expression of a host of ideas, attitudes and behaviors I oppose, I just have no forbearance for hypocrisy presented to abet one's own fortunes or that deliberately dehumanizes others and destroys them by declaring their very being dysfunctional. If one is going to undertake such tacks, one must do so with portfolio and integrity.

Wait.....a self loathing hypocritical anti gay person who really is deep in the closet?


Sounds like a lot of republican senators....:lamo
 
Something doesn't smell right here. 60 years ago, homosexuality was listed as a disorder. Most people who stay "old school" aren't closet homosexuals. There may be a few strange examples that fit your premise, but that can't possibly be the rule. People act like history doesn't exist.

Again, you don't understand that when you post something like that you are going to get puzzled looks.

(it wasn't a disorder 60 years ago, or 600 years ago, its part of being human)
 
And......what about DSM III, IV and V?

You should run your posts past someone else before you hit submit.

My point is that homosexuality has been historically treated as a mental disorder. You can agree with the historical approach or not, but as Walter Cronkite used to say "that's the way it was".

 
My point is that homosexuality has been historically treated as a mental disorder. You can agree with the historical approach or not, but as Walter Cronkite used to say "that's the way it was".



Not any more.

Oh, by the way, the earth has been historically treated as flat.

Your silly arguments are really lame.
 
Not any more.

Oh, by the way, the earth has been historically treated as flat.

Your silly arguments are really lame.

I still think it doesn't fit that most conversion therapists are closet homosexuals. That premise doesn't pass the common sense test.
 
I still think it doesn't fit that most conversion therapists are closet homosexuals. That premise doesn't pass the common sense test.

What you personally think doesn't matter.

You have already told me that you don't think like most other people think.
 
They are full self loathing, I see them all time on Grinder. They will hit on me one night, the next morning they are back to making homo jokes with their beer buddies.

I used to take pity on them. no more. Its 2018 if you dont have the gonads and self respect to come out you get no pity from me.

Um - you just slid right by the majority of those who do not come out, but who do not 'make homo jokes' with beer buddies. What can they expect from you? Have we come to stereotype closet cases as nothing but a bunch of nasty conservative hypocrites?
 
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Um - you just slid right by the majority of those who do not come out, but who do not 'make homo jokes' with beer buddies. What can they expect from you? Have we come to stereotype closet cases as nothing but a bunch of nasty conservative hypocrites?

Were did I even mention Conservative ? If you read that in my post how am I at fault ? Actually, I could care less what you think, so please dont judge me until you walk a mile in my shoes.
 
Were did I even mention Conservative ? If you read that in my post how am I at fault ? Actually, I could care less what you think, so please dont judge me until you walk a mile in my shoes.

I haven't. I think you may be misidentifying the problem. Its hypocrisy and cruelty we should be unsympathetic with. people who just choose not to be public about their orientation are harmless and decent and doing nobody dirt by deciding not to reveal their orientation. Its not up to anyone to call their gonads into question or label them as self loathing whether it is 2018 or 1984.
 
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I haven't. I think you may be misidentifying the problem. Its hypocrisy and cruelty we should be unsympathetic with. people who just choose not to be public about their orientation are harmless and decent and doing nobody dirt by deciding not to reveal their orientation. Its not up to anyone to call their gonads into question or label them as self loathing whether it is 2018 or 1984.

Uhm how do I know they self loath, because I was one of them, and I meet them in support group's. Unless you are a gay man you really have no idea what I am talking about.
 
I still think it doesn't fit that most conversion therapists are closet homosexuals. That premise doesn't pass the common sense test.

How are you applying common sense? Something that doesn't pass common sense to me is heterosexuals first thinking that they can cure gay people from the gay by smearing peanut butter on their foreheads or whatever Hocus Pocus goes on there.

This is an obsession of an obsessed mind. And it doesn't make any sense common uncommon or otherwise that a heterosexual person is obsessed with this.
 
They are full self loathing, I see them all time on Grinder. They will hit on me one night, the next morning they are back to making homo jokes with their beer buddies.

I used to take pity on them. no more. Its 2018 if you dont have the gonads and self respect to come out you get no pity from me.

Um - you just slid right by the majority of those who do not come out, but who do not 'make homo jokes' with beer buddies. What can they expect from you? Have we come to stereotype closet cases as nothing but a bunch of nasty conservative hypocrites?
Red:
By my reckoning, we've come to the point where "nasty conservative hypocrites" who are "in the closet" can and will be derided for being "nasty conservative hypocrites" if/when it becomes apparent they've been so with regard to matters of sexual orientation. Prior to it becoming known such individuals are (have been) "in the closet," they'll be derided for being "nasty conservatives." In either instance, stereotyping hasn't a thing to do with it; their "nastiness" (your term, not mine; you can find my diction in the OP) is what garners them the criticism. Too, one can be a conservative without harboring animus toward gay people and without acting upon that animus -- to wit: Log Cabin Republicans -- so the ridicule regarding one's antipathy about others' sexual orientation isn't inextricably linked to the fact of one's being a conservative.
 
Uhm how do I know they self loath, because I was one of them, and I meet them in support group's. Unless you are a gay man you really have no idea what I am talking about.

Red:
I can accept your anecdotal observations as truthful, but it'd take more than your relating your (or anyone's) personal observations (about anything, not just the topic at hand) for me to accept those observations as prima facie probative evidence of the phenomenon you've noted preponderant existence among an entire genre of people.

I can accept the proposition that self-loathing, angst, etc. be emotions felt by gays who, preferring they be not gay, seek the help of sexuality conversion therapists. It makes sense that some degree of dissatisfaction with oneself, even to the extent of it being aptly classed as self-loathing, accompanies one's wanting to alter something so integral as one's sexual orientation. It doesn't make sense to me that a presumably heterosexual (or homoosexual) person offering assistance with a gay person's effecting such a change would too be suffused with the same nature of dissatisfaction. After all, as the therapist for a given "condition," one is supposed to be comfortable in one's own skin, at least with regard to the "condition" for which one offers others help with altering. (It's conceptually the same as one's not consulting mendicants for guidance on how to overcome penury and mendicants don't hold themselves out as providers of such guidance....)

Other:
It's not clear to me whether, in your post 2 remarks, "they" refers to gays who pursue conversion therapy or whether "they" refers to closeted conversion therapists. I took "they" as referring to the latter; however, seeing your comment above, I'm no longer sure whether that was an accurate interpretation.​


Blue:
I don't think one need be gay to have an idea of what you're talking about. The emotions of self-doubt, self-regret, and self-dissatisfaction are ones experienced by all who've struggled to overcome a core shortcoming, as they see it, that is integral to their being. To wit:

  • My father, God rest his soul, tried for decades to overcome his racist roots. He tried, but he didn't succeed; he knew it and we knew it. To his dying day, we gave him props for trying and we gave him hell for yet being a racist. He was equally dissatisfied with himself over it.
  • Who isn't intimately familiar with the poignant examples of self-loathing proffered in Brown v. The Board (transcript)? The self-loathing found among the children described in that trial was so insidious and pervasive that it wasn't even initially recognized as such; moreover, it'd pervaded the whole of a segment of society's culture that it fomented colorism.[SUP]1[/SUP]
"To have an idea," as you say, one must empathetically extrapolate one's own similarly essential and disliked (by oneself) character traits, feelings about them, and experiences trying to overcome them to the occasion of gays suffering from a very similar nexus of notions about their sexuality. And, yes, one must be self-aware, "well adjusted," and of high personal integrity to do that. Nonetheless, there are such people, and they are capable of doing so.

Now, is the other member such a person? I don't know. S/he, like everyone here, is a stranger to me; thus I cannot know.


Blue and red:
Please note that my remarks in blue and red sections above aren't intended to imply that your attestations cannot be taken as so or credible. They are offered merely to illustrate that there's a limit to the extent that they alone can be taken as such. One probably does need to be gay to fully relate to being same-sex attracted, but one does not need to be a gay who wants to be straight to relate to the emotions concomitant with the upset and struggles concomitant with trying, perhaps fruitlessly, to alter one's core being.



Note:
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........who likens homosexuality to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder......

Same-sex attraction IS a disorder. The fact that the corrupt lobby group APA removed it from the DSM without a shred of actual evidence to support the removal does not change that fact.

This conversion therapy crap is a red herring. Its like talking about shock therapy to cure alcoholics.

The "cure" (not really a cure) for homosexuality is the same as the one for alcoholics: Support groups. Alcoholics who stay clean and sober admit that they have a problem and they seek support groups to stay clean and sober. Homosexuals who admit they have a problem seek support groups to remain chaste.

Oh, you never hear about those, do you. Thats because the propaganda lie that homosexuality is normal is in full hyper-indoctrination mode in schools and the media. But they exist and they do good work, and God bless those homosexuals who have rejected the mainstream lies.
 
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