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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    More importantly, what are the scholarly works on the topic that s/he has published?

    I don't really care about or demand that one share one's credentials -- people one the Internet are likely and able to claim all sorts of things that nobody can verify -- for I know that if one is indeed an expert in a given field, one will have published something that's been critically reviewed, and whatever one has published will speak (or not) to the quality of one's expertise.

    Of course, to be credible, one need not have published anything or be an expert. One need only reference the work of others who are experts and whose work has passed rigorous scrutiny.
    I'm not familiar with the 'Wicked Pervert' journal review ?

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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Political parties do not cleanse sinners from their sins. Some religious republicans and democrats are found to be hypocrites, but that is certainly not a surprise to Christians who understand the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
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    Indeed, they do not, nor can they. What political parties -- their leaders and rank and file members -- can do, however, is exercise intellectual integrity and gravits by withholding acclaim and approbation (explicit and tacit) to self-aggrandizingly, hypocritically and/or palteringly promoted notions and their promoters.
    To wit, in 2010 a Conservative Christian blog presented Goldwasser's bunkum....

    ...despite there being, even then, abundant research dating back decades and refuting the legitimacy of his claim.
    The problem is that the very brazenness of Goldwasser's claims re: conversion "therapy" made him either grossly ignorant of the research in what's supposedly his own field or not grossly ignorant that research and thus a flat-out liar. Dissembling so alone violates a basic notion of Christianity, and it doesn't take much to have determined Goldwasser had done so. Accordingly, "getting in bed" with that guy was amiss from square one.

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Different researchers may come up with different results. So what? I have talked to homosexuals who claim they were influenced against their will to become homosexuals, but that once a homosexual it is hard to shake the curse sort of like an alcoholic trying to stop drinking.

    I don't believe Shawn Hornbeck was born homosexual. He was 'made' homosexual by a wicked pervert.
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    Indeed, that happens; however, extraordinary claims that contravene the outstanding body of research findings must be bolstered with extraordinary evidence, and Goldwasser's claims are not thus supported.


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    "So what?" That glib retort is sufficient for me to conclude you have neither the acumen nor training to merit my further engagement with you on this matter. There's just no way I'm going to persist discussing a topic with someone who doesn't well enough comprehend the scientific method, and how scientists/researchers develop, exchange, verify and refute ideas using it -- stuff/processes that one is expected to have fully understood in high school science classes -- that they'd broach such an idea as you have in "blue."

    Not here or in "the real world" does one get to say to me something so insipid and, in turn, continue to have me dignify their remarks with my attention. I will not be so trifled with.

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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by logician man View Post
    i'm not familiar with the 'wicked pervert' journal review ?
    lol...
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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    There's a movie called "But I'm a Cheerleader" staring Natasha Lyonne as a popular high school cheerleader who discovers she's gay and is sent to a gay conversion center by her frightened and ignorant parents. The movie was made in 1999, but in a comedic way it cuts like a knife through how ignorant proponents of gay conversion therapy are and how hopeless of an endeavor the therapy truly is. It's both entertaining and educational.
    Someone I know got forced to a gay conversion camp when they were 15 by their parents... there were 13 people in that session. They were prayed over, and there were the attempts at aversion therapy Out of those 13 people (including the person I know), at the time I was close to her, (about 4 years ago), 7 were dead. 5 overdoses, and 2 suicides .. (and who knows if the overdoses were on purpose or not). At that particular time, she was early 30s, so 16 or 17 years after the session, half of them were dead.

    I gather that particular camp was an extreme, but still..
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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by Logician Man View Post
    Are you an expert in the area of homosexuality? If so,what is your field of study/training? What are you qualifications and degrees,if any?
    What does a supposed expert in homosexuality claim to know that normal people don't?

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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Someone I know got forced to a gay conversion camp when they were 15 by their parents... there were 13 people in that session. They were prayed over, and there were the attempts at aversion therapy Out of those 13 people (including the person I know), at the time I was close to her, (about 4 years ago), 7 were dead. 5 overdoses, and 2 suicides .. (and who knows if the overdoses were on purpose or not). At that particular time, she was early 30s, so 16 or 17 years after the session, half of them were dead.

    I gather that particular camp was an extreme, but still..
    That is truly horrible!
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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    That is truly horrible!
    I found out about it just before California made the law restricting conversion therapy for minors. That was because she found out one of the people she went through the camp with just died from suicide. I know for many years she was suicidal herself. It was seeing how the person she knew committing suicide, and how it affected her at the time that made me very much anti gay conversion therapy.
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    There is no such thing as "fields of science". Science does not consist of "fields". It consists of falsifiable theories.

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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Someone I know got forced to a gay conversion camp when they were 15 by their parents... there were 13 people in that session. They were prayed over, and there were the attempts at aversion therapy Out of those 13 people (including the person I know), at the time I was close to her, (about 4 years ago), 7 were dead. 5 overdoses, and 2 suicides .. (and who knows if the overdoses were on purpose or not). At that particular time, she was early 30s, so 16 or 17 years after the session, half of them were dead.

    I gather that particular camp was an extreme, but still..
    I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it.
    -- Voltaire, "Letter to …tienne NoŽl Damilaville, May 16, 1767"


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    My prayers are quite similar in nature to Voltaire's, and were his, mine have been granted. The grantor of prayers apparently has standards and enough self-confidence whereby ridiculous folks who make absurd exhortations are by Him/Her ignored.
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    Re: Conversion Therapy Proponent Caught Trolling for Sex on a Gay "Hookup" Site

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    What does a supposed expert in homosexuality claim to know that normal people don't?
    Ask an expert in the field. You've had much more experience with homosexuals and homosexuality that most others here based on your own personal testimony you have shared with the forum.

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