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How do you define a persons sex?

This is a easy question.

A person's "sex" is determined by the person's dna/genitalia.

A person's "gender" is a social definition based upon current social norms on average for persons of each sex.

A person's "sex" is an absolute except in rare dna birth defects - and a person's sex is unchangeable, even if genitalia is altered surgically. A person's "gender" is subjective.
 
maquiscat said:
Gender would probably still exist, just not as we currently think of it. Look at it as another characteristic that follows a trend but is not absolute. While most people with naturally blonde hair would have blue eyes, not all do. Likewise, while most males would be men, not all would.

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well if gender is based on stereotypes for the sexes that would make sense and people could define what gender they are to themselves but it seems like everyone else would be able to label everyone else as whatever gender they see fit and that designation would be just as valid as the one we give ourselves
 
I honestly don't care, just behave when you use the restroom (or there will be consequences) and wash your damn hands.
Aside from that, I tend to defer to professional psychologists, because if a male or female really does have gender dysmorphia, it's already going to be rather obvious but to a professional it will meet strict criteria.
After that, how they carry themselves is key.

I actually know one person who is female but who has identified as male for as long as I've known him (twenty years) and it's so obvious that I can't imagine anybody questioning it and I would not care a hoot if "he" enters a male restroom.
I expect that an equally convincing person does not wish to cause a commotion using a female restroom, and because they're as genuine as they are, few if any would notice.

And that IS the key because it is most likely that almost EVERY LAST ONE of you out there has shared a restroom with a person of the opposite gender who ID's as the alternate at least once in your lives....a male using a ladies restroom and vice versa.
And you didn't even realize it.

And sure enough, out beyond all that genuine stuff you WILL find the casual experimenters and attention whores.
And I really don't know what to say about that. I don't have the answers and I am not politically correct enough, nor is it likely I will be tomorrow either...or the next day.
Cisgender this, whatever that, screw it, I am never ever going to learn that gobbledy gook so don't even try.
 
Kreton said:
Fairly simple question with what I imagine is a very complex answer.

What determines if a person is a male or female?

Genetics/genetalia?
Behavior?
Clothing?

Specifically I am curious as to why a person who identifies as a gender other than what they were born as feels as if they aren't their birth gender? I am far less interested in hearing from trans bashing bigots but I am sure they will come in anyhow.

Why can't a person simply be a male and act/dress/behave how they want, and be attracted to who they'd like without needing to be called a woman. Or vice versa.

I am asking out of ignorance and curiosity. This is not an attempt to belittle or demean anyone. I am hoping to gain a better understanding.
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You determine their gender by observing their behavior and asking them.

You determine their sex by looking at their body, sex organs, and genetics.
 
Kreton said:
What determines if a person is a male or female?
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How often does that really matter? How many of your daily interactions with other people are (or should be!) influenced by either of your biological sex/genders? In the circumstances where it does matter, the determination could well be different, for example pure biology is key in medical contexts while perception and behaviour is key in legal contexts.

Kreton said:
Specifically I am curious as to why a person who identifies as a gender other than what they were born as feels as if they aren't their birth gender?
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Because the human brain is a weird and wonderful complex mess. Why are some people obsessed with getting tattoos? Why do some people get a sexual thrill from physical pain? Why do some people watch The Kardashians? :cool:

Kreton said:
Why can't a person simply be a male and act/dress/behave how they want, and be attracted to who they'd like without needing to be called a woman. Or vice versa.
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The same reason you want to freely behave and dress the way you choose and be identified the way you’d prefer.
 
Kreton said:
Fairly simple question with what I imagine is a very complex answer.

What determines if a person is a male or female?

Genetics/genetalia?
Behavior?
Clothing?

Specifically I am curious as to why a person who identifies as a gender other than what they were born as feels as if they aren't their birth gender? I am far less interested in hearing from trans bashing bigots but I am sure they will come in anyhow.

Why can't a person simply be a male and act/dress/behave how they want, and be attracted to who they'd like without needing to be called a woman. Or vice versa.

I am asking out of ignorance and curiosity. This is not an attempt to belittle or demean anyone. I am hoping to gain a better understanding.
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I feel this is something you could have just Googled.
 
Defining sex is quite easy. If you have XY chromosomes, you're male. If you have XX chromosomes, you're female. There are some genetic disorders that confuse the topic somewhat, but they're fairly rare.

Gender identity, on the other hand, is more complicated, but I'm generally of the opinion that if someone's actions aren't hurting anyone else, let them do what they want. If Jim was born with XY chromosomes but feels like he's supposed to be a woman, and wants to present himself as Julie from now on, what's the harm in letting him do that?
 
Kreton said:
Fairly simple question with what I imagine is a very complex answer.

What determines if a person is a male or female?

Genetics/genetalia?
Behavior?
Clothing?

Specifically I am curious as to why a person who identifies as a gender other than what they were born as feels as if they aren't their birth gender? I am far less interested in hearing from trans bashing bigots but I am sure they will come in anyhow.

Why can't a person simply be a male and act/dress/behave how they want, and be attracted to who they'd like without needing to be called a woman. Or vice versa.

I am asking out of ignorance and curiosity. This is not an attempt to belittle or demean anyone. I am hoping to gain a better understanding.
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All 3 of those words have the same root word. Neat, huh?
 
Winchester said:
Fact based... DNA. Don't even want to go down the rabbit hole of how people identify themselves as I don't have a horse in that race, genetically a male and identify as a female or vice versa, cool with me. Just be patient with me as I sort out the various pronouns in my head.
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Disagree. You identify sex in people the same way you would identify sex in dogs.

Nobody does a DNA test on their dog to find out if it's male or female.
 
Kreton said:
Fairly simple question with what I imagine is a very complex answer.

What determines if a person is a male or female?

Genetics/genetalia?
Behavior?
Clothing?

Specifically I am curious as to why a person who identifies as a gender other than what they were born as feels as if they aren't their birth gender? I am far less interested in hearing from trans bashing bigots but I am sure they will come in anyhow.

Why can't a person simply be a male and act/dress/behave how they want, and be attracted to who they'd like without needing to be called a woman. Or vice versa.

I am asking out of ignorance and curiosity. This is not an attempt to belittle or demean anyone. I am hoping to gain a better understanding.
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Anatomy
 
CLAX1911 said:
Disagree. You identify sex in people the same way you would identify sex in dogs.

Nobody does a DNA test on their dog to find out if it's male or female.
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Jesus Christ dude one doesn't actually have to test the DNA to say it's based on DNA.
 
Kreton said:
Fairly simple question with what I imagine is a very complex answer.

What determines if a person is a male or female?
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Pee pee dong = guy

Vajay jay= girl

Both...I got no answer.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It isn't it's based on anatomy. The concept of male and female being different goes back way before DNA.
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I have little patience today, but what the **** do you think determines anatomy?
 
How do you define a persons sex?
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I don't. They are perfectly capable of doing that themselves.
 
Excluding medical and/or chemical intervention, a persons sex is defined by what's between their legs.
 
Winchester said:
I have little patience today, but what the **** do you think determines anatomy?
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Take for instance Sawyer's syndrome. This is a woman who has XY chromosomes she was born as a woman I'm not sure if they can get pregnant but I think some of them can.

But the genetics say that they're male. We don't go by the genetics we go by the anatomy. If you have a uterus ovaries fallopian tubes And a vagina this makes you female regardless of genetics.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Take for instance Sawyer's syndrome. This is a woman who has XY chromosomes she was born as a woman I'm not sure if they can get pregnant but I think some of them can.

But the genetics say that they're male. We don't go by the genetics we go by the anatomy. If you have a uterus ovaries fallopian tubes And a vagina this makes you female regardless of genetics.
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they have most of those but they dont have ovaries

pregnancy seems possible but only with a donors egg used and implanted after it has been fertilized

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
 
CLAX1911 said:
Lots of irrelevant things. Sex is anotomical
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So by this when a person has surgery to change their genitals they actually change sex. Sex is mutable.

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Kreton said:
Fairly simple question with what I imagine is a very complex answer.

What determines if a person is a male or female?

Genetics/genetalia?
Behavior?
Clothing?

Specifically I am curious as to why a person who identifies as a gender other than what they were born as feels as if they aren't their birth gender? I am far less interested in hearing from trans bashing bigots but I am sure they will come in anyhow.

Why can't a person simply be a male and act/dress/behave how they want, and be attracted to who they'd like without needing to be called a woman. Or vice versa.

I am asking out of ignorance and curiosity. This is not an attempt to belittle or demean anyone. I am hoping to gain a better understanding.
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A. million years from now a biologist of some form or another will unearth a mummified creature at a keyboard and due to the creatures DNA will proclaim it to be “male” or “female”, and nothing else.
 
chuckiechan said:
A. million years from now a biologist of some form or another will unearth a mummified creature at a keyboard and due to the creatures DNA will proclaim it to be “male” or “female”, and nothing else.
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If only bone structure, they make the determination upon the hips. They also can compare leg length to overall height, but focus on the spread of the hips to the height.
 
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