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Study: How Can We Get White People to Stop Dating White People??

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A new Cornell University study on dating found several examples of inequalty in dating apps, including:

-White people of “all ages” prefer to go on dates with other white people.

-Asian men and black women have the lowest chance of receiving a message or a response.

-College students are most likely to avoid going on dates with black women.

Jevan Hutson, lead author of the study, said in a press release that “it’s really an unprecedented time for dating and meeting online” — which requires a more thorough look at how we can prevent discrimination on these dating apps.

Dating applications can allow users to fall into their own racial biases while searching for a partner, the study says.

Researchers from Cornell University say the “sexual racism” that plagues apps like Grindr, Tinder and Bumble can be stamped out with a few simple changes. The end goal, the study says, is to promote more diverse pairings on the dating sites.

As noted by the study — which compiled data from prior research — white people are ten times more likely to receive a message from a black person on a dating app than they are to message the black user themselves. That suggests a hierarchy of attention on racial lines.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article219361075.html
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No, this is not a piece from the Onion, this is a real article from McClatchy. This is how crazy PC culture has become- an Ivy League university is spending money to try to prevent white people from choosing each other on dating apps. They're not even trying to hide it anymore people.
 
Study: How Can We Get White People to Stop Dating White People??
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Say what?

Put white folks where there are few or no white folks and they will date a non-white person. Does one really need a study to suss as much?
 
Someone spent money to determine that people tend to date within thier own race, religion ethnicity? :roll:
 
truthatallcost said:
No, this is not a piece from the Onion, this is a real article from McClatchy. This is how crazy PC culture has become- an Ivy League university is spending money to try to prevent white people from choosing each other on dating apps. They're not even trying to hide it anymore people.
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Not entirely, the idea was studying what the impacts are for these online dating sites in terms of how we tend to date anyway.

The actual study already suggests we tend to date with our own prejudices, not matter how mild or extreme those may be. The study also suggests that the increasing use of these online dating sites has not necessarily made those sociological conclusions better or worse.

The study introduces the difference between passive ideological selection of a partner against the idea of sexual prejudices, and is also cautious in saying all of those who pick a partner within their race are not inherently being prejudicial.

Further the study itself in introduction and conclusion stresses the idea that "expanding people’s sexual horizons does not mean overriding some "true" or innate preferences; it means intervening in the unavoidable and ongoing processes by which our preferences emerge in our interactions with our social and cultural environment."

What it comes down to is looking at when prejudices are in the front of our decision making process and what we might be able to do about it.

The study goes so far as to say they are not interested in applying online discrimination protections (as applied to uber or lift) seen applied to online dating sites, including warning against the idea of what you suggest they want. At no time are they saying prevention of white people choosing each other.

What they do say is increase inclusion, not via exclusion of results that most of these online sites use to determine potential matches.

Sociology as a study suggests looking at the pitfalls of discrimination, that is seemingly all they did when thinking about online dating sites.

We might be overreacting here.

Included is the write up on the study the article is based on:
http://www.karen-levy.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Debiasing_Desire_published.pdf

And the Cornell University article:
Redesign dating apps to lessen racial bias, study recommends | Cornell Chronicle
 
truthatallcost said:
No, this is not a piece from the Onion, this is a real article from McClatchy. This is how crazy PC culture has become- an Ivy League university is spending money to try to prevent white people from choosing each other on dating apps. They're not even trying to hide it anymore people.
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Did you just entirely misunderstand the article or are you just deliberately lying?

Nobody said anything about stopping white people from choosing other white people on dating apps, they’re only talking about widening the scope people will choose to select from. The key point is that people who believe they would never want to date someone of another race are often wrong and if you break through that underlying bias, they might find some perfectly acceptable partners. Given the dating apps are in the business of helping people form successful relationships, it’s in their interests to offer matches to customers which are likely to work, even if the customers themselves don’t think they would.
 
truthatallcost said:
No, this is not a piece from the Onion, this is a real article from McClatchy. This is how crazy PC culture has become- an Ivy League university is spending money to try to prevent white people from choosing each other on dating apps. They're not even trying to hide it anymore people.
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Did you actually bother to read the study? Or did you merely rely solely on a sensationally distillate editorial's headline to form your view of the study and therefrom extrapolate upon its societal implications and imperatives writ large?

I don't think you read the study, and having now read it, I don't think Josh Magness did either for in his editorial piece, he identifies as the authors'/study's goal something that is not the goal of the study. The whole of the paper's third section makes clear that Magness' depiction of the authors' goals is inaccurate.


Red:
The authors of the study, the first one being not at all a researcher at an Ivy League school,[SUP]1[/SUP] are quite clear about what their study is for and about, and it ain't what you've inferred about it.

We consider bias and discrimination in the context of popular online dating and hookup platforms in the United States, which we call intimate platforms...We review design features of popular intimate platforms and their potential role in exacerbating or mitigating interpersonal bias. We argue that focusing on platform design can reveal opportunities to reshape troubling patterns of intimate contact without overriding users’ decisional autonomy. We identify and address the di!cult ethical questions that nevertheless come along with such intervention, while urging the social computing community to engage more deeply with issues of bias, discrimination, and exclusion in the study and design of intimate platforms.​


Note:
  1. Who's noted first matters in journal papers, and the author naming sequence and corresponding roles of the named authors varies by discipline. To wit, Taft, the second named author, is a research coordinator, not a professor, instructor or terminal degree holder.
 
Bum said:
Someone spent money to determine that people tend to date within thier own race, religion ethnicity? :roll:
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If you'd read the paper, you'd know that's not at all what "someone spent money to determine."
 
Xelor said:
Say what?

Put white folks where there are few or no white folks and they will date a non-white person. Does one really need a study to suss as much?
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Wait....what? Were you being serious here?
 
Bum said:
Someone spent money to determine that people tend to date within thier own race, religion ethnicity? :roll:
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And they determined that something sinister exists when white people choose other white people to date, at the exclusion of 'marginalized groups'.
 
truthatallcost said:
Wait....what? Were you being serious here?
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As a means of achieving the end noted in the title, yes, I do indeed mean the course I stated would achieve it. As for undertaking that course, no, I'm not at all proposing, embracing or advancing that such indeed be pursued.


P.S.
TY for exhibiting the perspicacity and discursive decency of soliciting clarification regarding my existential intents vis-a-vis my remarks.
 
Or just let the people date whoever they want?
 
enderpotato00 said:
Or just let the people date whoever they want?
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Red:
That notion is among those the authors expressed, in the abstract of their paper, no less:
We argue that focusing on platform design can reveal opportunities to reshape troubling patterns of intimate contact without overriding users’ decisional autonomy.​
 
OrphanSlug said:
Not entirely, the idea was studying what the impacts are for these online dating sites in terms of how we tend to date anyway.

The actual study already suggests we tend to date with our own prejudices, not matter how mild or extreme those may be. The study also suggests that the increasing use of these online dating sites has not necessarily made those sociological conclusions better or worse.

The study introduces the difference between passive ideological selection of a partner against the idea of sexual prejudices, and is also cautious in saying all of those who pick a partner within their race are not inherently being prejudicial.

Further the study itself in introduction and conclusion stresses the idea that "expanding people’s sexual horizons does not mean overriding some "true" or innate preferences; it means intervening in the unavoidable and ongoing processes by which our preferences emerge in our interactions with our social and cultural environment."

What it comes down to is looking at when prejudices are in the front of our decision making process and what we might be able to do about it.

The study goes so far as to say they are not interested in applying online discrimination protections (as applied to uber or lift) seen applied to online dating sites, including warning against the idea of what you suggest they want. At no time are they saying prevention of white people choosing each other.

What they do say is increase inclusion, not via exclusion of results that most of these online sites use to determine potential matches.

Sociology as a study suggests looking at the pitfalls of discrimination, that is seemingly all they did when thinking about online dating sites.

We might be overreacting here.

Included is the write up on the study the article is based on:
http://www.karen-levy.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Debiasing_Desire_published.pdf

And the Cornell University article:
Redesign dating apps to lessen racial bias, study recommends | Cornell Chronicle
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The Cornell article as well as the McClatchy syndicated piece left out this finding from the study: "White men and women of all ages are more likely to pursue dates with white rather than non-white partners [62] and are least likely to date outside their race [77], while Asian and Latino men and women demonstrate comparable patterns of racial exclusion."

Yet they direct their implications of dating discrimination solely towards white daters. If anyone misrepresented the intentions or scope of the study it was "Melanie Lefkowitz" at Cornell, and the author of the McClatchy piece.
 
enderpotato00 said:
Or just let the people date whoever they want?
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That's only acceptable for 'marginalized groups'. From the study:

"Which categories are appropriate for intervention?

While it may strike us as normatively acceptable to encourage intimate platform users to be open to more diverse potential partners, we might find some categories more palatable for such intervention than others. For example, it might seem inappropriate to suggest that a Jewish user seeking other Jewish people "expand her horizons" past those preferences, which might be based on a number of religious and cultural considerations. Similarly, a platform suggesting that a gay user "consider" dating someone of a different gender would likely strike us as problematic."

I.e. 'intimate platform users' who aren't Jewish or gay lack 'religious or cultural' priorities that should be respected as legitimate prerequisites for dating. Everybody needs to be open to interracial/interreligious dating, besides them.
 
from the post 13:

""White men and women of all ages are more likely to pursue dates with white rather than non-white partners [62] and are least likely to date outside their race [77], while Asian and Latino men and women demonstrate comparable patterns of racial exclusion."'

Makes you wonder why there is an age old expression that says: Birds of a feather tend to flock together.
 
HonestJoe said:
Did you just entirely misunderstand the article or are you just deliberately lying?

Nobody said anything about stopping white people from choosing other white people on dating apps, they’re only talking about widening the scope people will choose to select from. The key point is that people who believe they would never want to date someone of another race are often wrong and if you break through that underlying bias, they might find some perfectly acceptable partners. Given the dating apps are in the business of helping people form successful relationships, it’s in their interests to offer matches to customers which are likely to work, even if the customers themselves don’t think they would.
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Interracial relationships are more likely not to work than intraracial relationships. The divorce rate for interracial marriage is 10% higher than intraracial marriage. I find no mention of that in the study however. Perhaps dating apps are actually taking into account long term outcomes as well as the natural selection habits of daters when pairing them with people of the same race or religion.
 
truthatallcost said:
No, this is not a piece from the Onion, this is a real article from McClatchy. This is how crazy PC culture has become- an Ivy League university is spending money to try to prevent white people from choosing each other on dating apps. They're not even trying to hide it anymore people.
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I think that will happen naturally. White women are a pain in the ass.
 
Xelor said:
Red:
That notion is among those the authors expressed, in the abstract of their paper, no less:
We argue that focusing on platform design can reveal opportunities to reshape troubling patterns of intimate contact without overriding users’ decisional autonomy.​
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What's the purpose of the study then? After reading it, I have to come back to my first assessment of it being a weirdly inappropriate way of interfering with people's dating lives. The study's authors utilize plenty of double-speak to avoid coming across as the Politically Correct Social Engineering Authority, but that's basically what they are.
 
Xelor said:
Say what?

Put white folks where there are few or no white folks and they will date a non-white person. Does one really need a study to suss as much?
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Well you could only put one white person there because if you put two there they'll date one another.
 
Xelor said:
Red:
That notion is among those the authors expressed, in the abstract of their paper, no less:
We argue that focusing on platform design can reveal opportunities to reshape troubling patterns of intimate contact without overriding users’ decisional autonomy.​
truthatallcost said:
What's the purpose of the study then? After reading it, I have to come back to my first assessment of it being a weirdly inappropriate way of interfering with people's dating lives. The study's authors utilize plenty of double-speak to avoid coming across as the Politically Correct Social Engineering Authority, but that's basically what they are.
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Red:
The study's authors inform readers of the purpose in three simple sentences:
We consider bias and discrimination in the context of popular online dating and hookup platforms in the United States, which we call intimate platforms...We review design features of popular intimate platforms and their potential role in exacerbating or mitigating interpersonal bias. We argue that focusing on platform design can reveal opportunities to reshape troubling patterns of intimate contact without overriding users’ decisional autonomy. We identify and address the di!cult ethical questions that nevertheless come along with such intervention, while urging the social computing community to engage more deeply with issues of bias, discrimination, and exclusion in the study and design of intimate platforms.​
 
Xelor said:
Say what?

Put white folks where there are few or no white folks and they will date a non-white person. Does one really need a study to suss as much?
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Not the case at all. I arrived in Minneapolis in 1977, age nineteen.
I'd already dipped my wick a fair bit in my home town of Bethesda MD but upon arriving in the Twin Cities, suddenly I was an EXOTIC because Mpls/St. Paul was the valhalla of Swedish and Norwegian blue eyed blond haired white people if ever there was one in the 1970's, and I was a rare swarthy "Jew-talian" with dark coloring and black hair and brown eyes and a lot of body hair, something the fair skinned farm boys didn't have, and the girls noticed...girls of every race, creed and color, because while Minneapolis is predominantly white, there are plenty of black, hispanic, asian and native American women there, too.

And suddenly I was Captain Kirk.
And I wanted to "taste it all".
And as a member of a moderately successful rock band, I did.

My dance card reads like a United Nations meeting. :)
 
Xelor said:
Say what?

Put white folks where there are few or no white folks and they will date a non-white person. Does one really need a study to suss as much?

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Not the case at all.

I arrived in Minneapolis in 1977, age nineteen. I'd already dipped my wick a fair bit in my home town of Bethesda MD but upon arriving in the Twin Cities, suddenly I was an EXOTIC because Mpls/St. Paul was the valhalla of Swedish and Norwegian blue eyed blond haired white people if ever there was one in the 1970's, and I was a rare swarthy "Jew-talian" with dark coloring and black hair and brown eyes and a lot of body hair, something the fair skinned farm boys didn't have, and the girls noticed...girls of every race, creed and color, because while Minneapolis is predominantly white, there are plenty of black, hispanic, asian and native American women there, too.

And suddenly I was Captain Kirk.
And I wanted to "taste it all".
And as a member of a moderately successful rock band, I did.

My dance card reads like a United Nations meeting. :)
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Red:
??? How does your anecdote illustrate your opening thesis point that it's "not the case at all" that were one to "put white folks where there are few or no white folks, they will date a non-white person?"

The story you've shared is that of a white person, you, arriving in a place that's overwhelmingly white, the Twin Cities area, and your dating women of various races/ethnicities. It indicates that in some instances white folks date non-whites, despite being exposed overwhelmingly to other whites, may yet date non-whites. (see third bullet below) Well, I'm sure we've all observed instances of that. Prince Harry and Mitch McConnell's marriages, along with a bevy of other well known personalities (the preceding link has a lot of entertainment folks; if interested, one can Google up the same for political and business personalities), and Lord knows how many non-celebrities, illustrate that verity.

Your anecdote illustrates that whites immersed in a heavily white society may date non-whites who are in that society. It does not illustrate that whites immersed in a non-white society will not date non-white folks.
  • The latter is what one'd need to show be exclusively so if one intends to establish that the behavior I noted is "not the case at all."
  • The latter is what one'd need to show be preponderantly so if one intends to establish that the behavior I noted is usually "not the case."
  • The latter is what one'd need to show happens occasionally if one intends to establish that the behavior I noted occasionally is "not the case at all."
I hope the above is enough for you too see why, after reading your "red" sentence and the following anecdote, I wondered "what has that to do with the statement I made."
 
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