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Study: How Can We Get White People to Stop Dating White People??

No, this is not a piece from the Onion, this is a real article from McClatchy. This is how crazy PC culture has become- an Ivy League university is spending money to try to prevent white people from choosing each other on dating apps. They're not even trying to hide it anymore people.

The concept is not a unique one - many believe the Neanderthal mated with homo sapiens. There is more to mating than simple race determination. It would be interesting to see the results of a study that could define the cause of "attraction;" pheromones alone are not sufficient explanation; if it were, everyone who consumed alcohol would be incited to couple with whomever was within reach.
 
The concept is not a unique one - many believe the Neanderthal mated with homo sapiens. There is more to mating than simple race determination. It would be interesting to see the results of a study that could define the cause of "attraction;" pheromones alone are not sufficient explanation; if it were, everyone who consumed alcohol would be incited to couple with whomever was within reach.

I have no problem with that. In fact, studies do exist explaining the driving factors behind sexual attraction. What I object to is any attempt to categorize people's natural selection instincts as prejudiced, racially biased, or needing change based on some attempt at social engineering.
 
Not the case at all. I arrived in Minneapolis in 1977, age nineteen.
I'd already dipped my wick a fair bit in my home town of Bethesda MD but upon arriving in the Twin Cities, suddenly I was an EXOTIC because Mpls/St. Paul was the valhalla of Swedish and Norwegian blue eyed blond haired white people if ever there was one in the 1970's, and I was a rare swarthy "Jew-talian" with dark coloring and black hair and brown eyes and a lot of body hair, something the fair skinned farm boys didn't have, and the girls noticed...girls of every race, creed and color, because while Minneapolis is predominantly white, there are plenty of black, hispanic, asian and native American women there, too.

And suddenly I was Captain Kirk.
And I wanted to "taste it all".
And as a member of a moderately successful rock band, I did.

My dance card reads like a United Nations meeting. :)

Where's Vahalla in the USA nowadays for us looking to dip our wicks? Minn/St Paul of 2018 is more like Mogadishu in the USA.
 
You dont see many white lesbians dating black lesbians either.
 
Where's Vahalla in the USA nowadays for us looking to dip our wicks? Minn/St Paul of 2018 is more like Mogadishu in the USA.

That is a disgusting comment and I will not address it directly.
Immigration works best when there is incentive to bond with a new home. Minus that, new arrivals tend to stick together in an insular fashion instead. I grew up in the 1950's/60's and I know what incentives can do because I witnessed it directly as a child and as an adult growing up in neighborhoods like the DC suburbs of Maryland, and Long Island, New York.

Given the right incentives, immigrants want to learn English, it's unnecessary to mandate it by law.
For the record, I support mandatory basic English ability as a condition of legal residency, but I am convinced that the best way to implement it is by reward rather than threat of punishment.
 
Interracial relationships are more likely not to work than intraracial relationships. The divorce rate for interracial marriage is 10% higher than intraracial marriage. I find no mention of that in the study however. Perhaps dating apps are actually taking into account long term outcomes as well as the natural selection habits of daters when pairing them with people of the same race or religion.
Maybe interracial couples are constantly discriminated against and told they're destined to fail by people like you and that negative environment is the cause of the difference?

There's no rational reason why people of different skin colour (which is all we're talking about here) would be less likely to succeed. Different upbringings could well be relevant but that can easily cross colour lines; For example, I'm white British so I'd likely have more in common with a black British person than I would with a white American.
 
Maybe interracial couples are constantly discriminated against and told they're destined to fail by people like you and that negative environment is the cause of the difference?

There's no rational reason why people of different skin colour (which is all we're talking about here) would be less likely to succeed. Different upbringings could well be relevant but that can easily cross colour lines; For example, I'm white British so I'd likely have more in common with a black British person than I would with a white American.

Leon Russell was an Okie from Lawton Oklahoma, a hotbed of Bible Belt white Christian America if ever there was one.
His mother played piano in the local evangelical church and taught piano lessons in the home, teaching exclusively from books of Christian hymns at first, then moving into classical.

He married a black lady, Mary McCreary, who grew up singing gospel in HER local evangelical church choir, but he met her when she was a member of Little Sister.

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Thus, other than skin color, they had several things in common, a Christian evangelical upbringing, rock and roll/soul/gospel music and life on the road as performing artists.

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Leon purchased a 12 acre spread with eight buildings and a sprawling home on Grand Lake of the Cherokees outside of Disney, Oklahoma and he built his recording studio there, and they lived there and toured for several years.

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But during the entire time they lived at the compound at Grand Lake, the locals castigated the couple because of "their race mixing". One of the main reasons the marriage didn't survive was because of the racial tension they had to endure.
Leon eventually gave the middle finger to his home state, sold the lake compound, moved to the Nashville area and never lived in Oklahoma again.
 
Maybe interracial couples are constantly discriminated against and told they're destined to fail by people like you and that negative environment is the cause of the difference?

Yeah, no. Actual data exists which likely explains the higher divorce rate, and 'truthatallcost' didn't make the cut. The data is available.

There's no rational reason why people of different skin colour (which is all we're talking about here) would be less likely to succeed. Different upbringings could well be relevant but that can easily cross colour lines; For example, I'm white British so I'd likely have more in common with a black British person than I would with a white American.

Yet there are rational reasons available. The fact that the data assessing the higher negative outcome margin is rarely included in studies like the one in the OP is one reason why many of us are skeptical of the intentions behind such studies.
 
Leon Russell was an Okie from Lawton Oklahoma, a hotbed of Bible Belt white Christian America if ever there was one.
His mother played piano in the local evangelical church and taught piano lessons in the home, teaching exclusively from books of Christian hymns at first, then moving into classical.

He married a black lady, Mary McCreary, who grew up singing gospel in HER local evangelical church choir, but he met her when she was a member of Little Sister.

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Thus, other than skin color, they had several things in common, a Christian evangelical upbringing, rock and roll/soul/gospel music and life on the road as performing artists.

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Leon purchased a 12 acre spread with eight buildings and a sprawling home on Grand Lake of the Cherokees outside of Disney, Oklahoma and he built his recording studio there, and they lived there and toured for several years.

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But during the entire time they lived at the compound at Grand Lake, the locals castigated the couple because of "their race mixing". One of the main reasons the marriage didn't survive was because of the racial tension they had to endure.
Leon eventually gave the middle finger to his home state, sold the lake compound, moved to the Nashville area and never lived in Oklahoma again.

Well that's fanciful. It was a fascinating read. My family on my grandmothers side are from a tiny town in Oklahoma. She was from a large family which included 7 sisters, 4 of whom married Native Americans or Italians from large metropolitan cities. They never mentioned anything about rampant discrimination. In fact, the area of Oklahoma they're from has the highest concentration of Native Americans in the country, and intermarriage between whites and Natives has always been common there.

I'm familiar with Leon Russell, as someone who knows way more about music than is useful. He was one of the most eccentric musicians in that 60's-70's scene, and probably moved to Nashville because he was a country music studio musician and Nashville is the capital of country music. It's simply the place you went back then if you were a country music performer.
 
That is a disgusting comment and I will not address it directly.
Immigration works best when there is incentive to bond with a new home. Minus that, new arrivals tend to stick together in an insular fashion instead. I grew up in the 1950's/60's and I know what incentives can do because I witnessed it directly as a child and as an adult growing up in neighborhoods like the DC suburbs of Maryland, and Long Island, New York.

Given the right incentives, immigrants want to learn English, it's unnecessary to mandate it by law.
For the record, I support mandatory basic English ability as a condition of legal residency, but I am convinced that the best way to implement it is by reward rather than threat of punishment.

Anyway... I know what Robert Plant meant now when he sang 'Valhalla, I am coming' in the Immigrant Song. :lol:

Minn/St Paul is it's own debacle. One that belongs squarely on Bill Clinton's legacy, along with 9/11 and a while slough of other mistakes. We've been over the issue of why some immigrant communities succeed while others do not a zillion times before.
 
Maybe interracial couples are constantly discriminated against and told they're destined to fail by people like you and that negative environment is the cause of the difference?

There's no rational reason why people of different skin colour (which is all we're talking about here) would be less likely to succeed. Different upbringings could well be relevant but that can easily cross colour lines; For example, I'm white British so I'd likely have more in common with a black British person than I would with a white American.

Of course there are rational reasons. Like learning to handle a different culture. Pressure from in laws.
 
Say what?

Put white folks where there are few or no white folks and they will date a non-white person. Does one really need a study to suss as much?

Forced desegregation busing of white men into the black hoods?
 
Yeah, no. Actual data exists which likely explains the higher divorce rate, and 'truthatallcost' didn't make the cut. The data is available.
Does that data entirely exclude the possibility of discrimination and social pressures as factors? Does that data apply to skin colour difference alone or does it cover national and cultural lines? Does that data say that every single mixed-race relationship is destined to fail and so it's pointless to even consider them?

The fact that the data assessing the higher negative outcome margin is rarely included in studies like the one in the OP is one reason why many of us are skeptical of the intentions behind such studies.
This study was about the behaviour of people on dating sites, not the outcome of relationships.
 
Does that data entirely exclude the possibility of discrimination and social pressures as factors?

Are you suggesting that married couples may divorce due to 'social pressure'? Where is that occurring today in the USA or UK, I would ask. No, I haven't seen that included in the studies I've read.

Does that data apply to skin colour difference alone or does it cover national and cultural lines?

The studies I've seen pertain to interracial marriage.

Does that data say that every single mixed-race relationship is destined to fail and so it's pointless to even consider them?

Of course not, and some interracial marriages outlast intraracial ones. But the 10% higher divorce rate among interracial marriages is noteworthy, and is almost guaranteed to not derive from discrimination when the more pertinent factors relating to interracial relationships are considered.

This study was about the behaviour of people on dating sites, not the outcome of relationships.

Don't you think it's appropriate to to discuss outcomes when the study seems intent on shaming dating apps into manipulating their user experience to increase interracial dating? I would have thought Cornell's research team would have at least considered outcomes before approving the study.
 
Are you suggesting that married couples may divorce due to 'social pressure'? Where is that occurring today in the USA or UK, I would ask. No, I haven't seen that included in the studies I've read.
Indirectly yes. If you’re in an environment where your relationship is constantly dismissed or derided and where you’re discriminated against because of the relationship you’re in, that will put additional pressures on that relationship which could play a part in the relationship ending. It’s unlikely to be the only factor (there usually isn’t only one factor) but it’s the kind of thing that could be at least a factor in the statistical difference you’re quoting.

The studies I've seen pertain to interracial marriage.
Yes, and as I’ve said, not all inter-racial relationships will be inter-cultural (and vice-versa) and it’s clearly going to be cultural differences and disagreements that will cause difficulties. You can only make an honest assessment if you distinguish between the two. Again, as a white Brit, I’m more likely to have cultural differences with a white American than I would with a black Brit.

Of course not, and some interracial marriages outlast intraracial ones. But the 10% higher divorce rate among interracial marriages is noteworthy
I’m not saying it isn’t noteworthy, I’m saying it isn’t a reasonable justification to dismiss the possibility of any kind of successful relationship with anyone of a different skin colour and it is that attitude this study is about.

and is almost guaranteed to not derive from discrimination when the more pertinent factors relating to interracial relationships are considered.
On what basis are you entirely dismissing discrimination as even a possible factor? I totally agree there will be multiple influences but nothing anyone has presented here (myself included) justifies dismissing any possibilities.

Don't you think it's appropriate to to discuss outcomes when the study seems intent on shaming dating apps into manipulating their user experience to increase interracial dating?
I don’t think it’s a requirement for the point they’re making since unless there is zero chance of a successful relationship, dismissing entire groups makes no sense on that basis. You could include considerations of likely outcomes bass on statistics but you’d need to start with the chance of successful relationships (which will mean different things to different people of course) from these sites in general. Does the 10% you quote actually apply to this subset of “relationship” and how statistically significant is 10% of whatever general proportion of successful connections?
Your point raises valid questions but doesn’t provide the definitive answers you seem to want it to.
 
I just want to go on record that I'm perfectly fine with black males dating all our fat white chicks.. ;)


Tim-
 
I don’t know why people need to have influence over the choices someone makes when it doesn’t effect them or hurt them. Let people date whoever they want to date.
 
Red:
That notion is among those the authors expressed, in the abstract of their paper, no less:
We argue that focusing on platform design can reveal opportunities to reshape troubling patterns of intimate contact without overriding users’ decisional autonomy.​


So the authors believe that it's 'troubling' that white people tend to choose to date white people. But they kindly only want to 're-shape' such decision making ...... they don't want to actually remove the freedom of users to choose who they want to date.
 
My black girlfriend in the 1970's was Gwendolyn Humphries, now sadly deceased.
She was a very sweet girl, and I was mad about her.
She decided that moving to Hawaii and getting into the brand new "solar business" (solar hot water systems) was her destiny while I was keen and intent on staying stateside and getting into the film and TV business.
If I'd decided instead that Hawaii and a then relatively unknown high tech industry was right up my alley, I would have married my black girlfriend and moved to Hawaii.

My life may have taken a different path than hers but the thing that pushed us apart wasn't race, it was destiny.
I wish I could dig up a picture of her, she was adorable.
 
I don’t know why people need to have influence over the choices someone makes when it doesn’t effect them or hurt them. Let people date whoever they want to date.

Freedom? There is no power to be gained in that. We must coerce the wrongthinkers! /s
 
I am a gay male, and have been known to login to Grindr on occasion:lamo

I see no need to apologize for having a type, nor should anyone else. I am not into women sexually, does that make me a member of the Al Bundy Women Haters Club, nope. Some of my best friends are women, just not into then under the sheets

What a stupid study
 
Red:
That notion is among those the authors expressed, in the abstract of their paper, no less:
We argue that focusing on platform design can reveal opportunities to reshape troubling patterns of intimate contact without overriding users’ decisional autonomy.​
So the authors believe that it's 'troubling' that white people tend to choose to date white people. But they kindly only want to 're-shape' such decision making ...... they don't want to actually remove the freedom of users to choose who they want to date.
First:
Regarding to my post 13's raison d'etre, "without overriding users' decisional autonomy" is the denotatively germane part of it. Post 13 is a response to another member's mildly sardonic (I think) rhetorical question.​


Second:
I don't know how you managed to infer that "focusing on platform design's" revelatory value is that which reshapes decision making, but I see from your remark that is what you've inferred.

The authors are all IT-types and as such realize that the only decision making their research will directly "reshape" is that of platform design, the redesigned platform, in turn, being able to capture and provide information to social scientists and others who can then use that information to develop modes by which the "troubling patterns of intimate contact" can be mitigated.

Sure, the sentence I quoted comes from the paper's abstract, but reading the paper itself, one sees that the researchers' thoughts follow the vein I just summarized and not the one you inferred. You understand that an abstract doesn't attempt to provide the gradations of meaning and intent associated with the research, analysis and findings a given paper details?​
 
No, this is not a piece from the Onion, this is a real article from McClatchy. This is how crazy PC culture has become- an Ivy League university is spending money to try to prevent white people from choosing each other on dating apps. They're not even trying to hide it anymore people.

I think it all comes down to what the ladies are always saying:

"Go white and you'll stay tight".

(I didn't mean anything obscene by that, I just meant that white guys have tiny penises.)
 
I think it all comes down to what the ladies are always saying:

"Go white and you'll stay tight".

(I didn't mean anything obscene by that, I just meant that white guys have tiny penises.)

Is that what they tell you? I've never had a woman say that to me. I may have just learned more about you than I ever wanted to know.
 
No, this is not a piece from the Onion, this is a real article from McClatchy. This is how crazy PC culture has become- an Ivy League university is spending money to try to prevent white people from choosing each other on dating apps. They're not even trying to hide it anymore people.

LOL!

Most people know enough to date people similar to themselves.

Those who don't end up with huge problems.

Stupid is as stupid does.......and ends stupid......possibly with stupid children.
 
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