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[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

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Logician Man said:
I didn't say it was in the name of religion.I said the murderers identified as Christians.There is a difference.
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Holy ****...you have uncovered a great mystery of life! Some people aren’t what they say they are! That’s SHOCKING!!!

So perhaps you can pin t to where they claimed they ‘as Christians’ committed the act and not as drug using drug dealing thugs.


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VanceMack said:
Blood as in Mans judgement of Sin. You keep citing New Testament doctrine that EXPLAINS it...from Christ himself...but since it doesnt fit your ridiculous narrative you just keep on repeating the same thing over and over.

The Old AND New Testaments both affirm...homosexuality is a sin. Christ himself explained that mans execution of judgement is no longer required, but that sinful behavior is still sin.

If you want modern bloodletting for homosexuality, you will have to look to the Muslim faith.
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And what are you doing but that of giving your own ridiculous interpretation and repeating it over and over. Your nt testament is inappropriate because as i have already stated this is not a sacrifice it is dealing with a sin. Not even closely comparable.

I need not look just to the muslims as christians also practiced such cruelty. And justified it when they did.

Romans 13:1-4, "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities.
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And when christians vote in christian politicians and demand they reverse abortion laws or homosexual marriage and homosexuality itself. Then will christians once again claim it gods will, and not their fault as you so falsely try now.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Christians have views, absolutely some Cristian organizations don't to view homosexuality as sinful. Are they just not Christian because you say so? Are they just not Christian because they don't adhere to the Bible the way you think they should? Who told you that you were correct?
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Christians by definition follow Christ’s teachings. They may have their personal opinions on anything, but if they are Christians then they cede to God’s declarations.

As to who is correct, the answer is obvious. If you believe in God and profess to be a Christian then you follow Gods laws. It’s not that complicated.


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Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

VanceMack said:
Holy ****...you have uncovered a great mystery of life! Some people aren’t what they say they are! That’s SHOCKING!!!

So perhaps you can pin t to where they claimed they ‘as Christians’ committed the act and not as drug using drug dealing thugs.


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I kinda figured the 'No true Scotsman Fallacy' was coming,and you didn't let me down in that regard.
 
Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

soylentgreen said:
And what are you doing but that of giving your own ridiculous interpretation and repeating it over and over. Your nt testament is inappropriate because as i have already stated this is not a sacrifice it is dealing with a sin. Not even closely comparable.

I need not look just to the muslims as christians also practiced such cruelty. And justified it when they did.



And when christians vote in christian politicians and demand they reverse abortion laws or homosexual marriage and homosexuality itself. Then will christians once again claim it gods will, and not their fault as you so falsely try now.
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I’m merely pointing out the dishonesty and stupidity of your arguments. You lay out a scripture then kick your own ass with it.

Relax. No one is reversing abortion laws and no one is reversing gay marriage.


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Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

VanceMack said:
Christians by definition follow Christ’s teachings. They may have their personal opinions on anything, but if they are Christians then they cede to God’s declarations.

As to who is correct, the answer is obvious. If you believe in God and profess to be a Christian then you follow Gods laws. It’s not that complicated.


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So you have to follow God's laws, meaning you can never commit a sin because committing a sin is breaking God's law so nobody is Cristian?
 
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Logician Man said:
I kinda figured the 'No true Scotsman Fallacy' was coming,and you didn't let me down in that regard.
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:lamo

Look how cute. Someone learned a new term.


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CLAX1911 said:
So you have to follow God's laws, meaning you can never commit a sin because committing a sin is breaking God's law so nobody is Cristian?
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Ummm...maybe you missed the whole Christ thing...savior...forgiveness...etc.


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Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

VanceMack said:
:lamo

Look how cute. Someone learned a new term.


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You walked right into it.You are a very easy read. Just expect the negative,and you deliver every time like clockwork.:blowup:
 
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Logician Man said:
You walked right into it.You are a very easy read. Just expect the negative,and you deliver every time like clockwork.
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There was no fallacy. You claim their identity as Christian. I simply asked you to 1-demonstrate their expressed identity as Christian and 2-their expressed actions as Christians. Otherwise, the person that brought them up in the first place would be...stupid.

And when challenged...you..........


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Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

VanceMack said:
There was no fallacy. You claim their identity as Christian. I simply asked you to 1-demonstrate their expressed identity as Christian and 2-their expressed actions as Christians. Otherwise, the person that brought them up in the first place would be...stupid.

And when challenged...you..........


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Wrong again...I said they identified as Christian.Try to keep up/
 
Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

Logician Man said:
Wrong again...I said they identified as Christian.Try to keep up/
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And I asked you to show where they identified as Christian and how that possibly applies or relates to a situation where individuals that were drug dealers, drug users, and petty criminals committed an act of murder.


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DebateChallenge said:
Christians have a reputation for being homophobic.
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I'm always suspicious of any organization that wants to control your sex life.

I'm not Buddhist but I like their view on it: they don't care how you stimulate your orifices, they care that you are a good person.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
I'm always suspicious of any organization that wants to control your sex life.

I'm not Buddhist but I like their view on it: they don't care how you stimulate your orifices, they care that you are a good person.
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Who wants to 'control your sex life'? In fact, considering the understanding of agency and the ability to choose, even things that are in opposition to Gods laws, wouldnt you have to say that in no way shape or form would anyone that is Christian be attempting to control your sex life?
 
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VanceMack said:
Who wants to 'control your sex life'? In fact, considering the understanding of agency and the ability to choose, even things that are in opposition to Gods laws, wouldnt you have to say that in no way shape or form would anyone that is Christian be attempting to control your sex life?
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You have to be kidding me...no one can be this uninformed on the issue unles you're a teen or just came out of a coma.
 
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VanceMack said:
Ummm...maybe you missed the whole Christ thing...savior...forgiveness...etc.


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No, sinning is breaking God's law. You said following God's law was part of being Christian.

People who obey the law don't need salvation or forgiveness.

I think you forgot about salvation and forgiveness.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
You have to be kidding me...no one can be this uninformed on the issue unles you're a teen or just came out of a coma.
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Thats not an answer...thats just a snotty snarky response from someone that knows they got called out saying stupid ****.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
No, sinning is breaking God's law. You said following God's law was part of being Christian.

People who obey the law don't need salvation or forgiveness.

I think you forgot about salvation and forgiveness.
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Its late for you...isnt it? You arent making sense.
No one is expected to BE perfect...but they are expected to strive to be and to live their lives in accordance with Gods laws. People are human. They are fallible. People make mistakes. People fall. When they do, their pathway to forgiveness was established by the atonement. I think we can agree with that.

Christs example was as direct and pure as can be. Man cannot judge the sinner. Christ forgave the sinner. But the sinner was commanded to go forth...and sin no more. That requires an acceptance and a change of heart. That requires a willingness to follow the laws, while allowing that should someone stumble, Christ is there to pick them up.

You know...for the life of me, I dont know why this is a contentious subject. I really dont. If you believe in God and are a professed Christian, you would subjugate your desires to the word of God. If you DONT believe in God or Christ, you would have no compelling reason to follow Gods laws or even be worried about it.
 
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VanceMack said:
Its late for you...isnt it? You arent making sense.
No one is expected to BE perfect...but they are expected to strive to be and to live their lives in accordance with Gods laws. People are human. They are fallible. People make mistakes. People fall. When they do, their pathway to forgiveness was established by the atonement. I think we can agree with that.

Christs example was as direct and pure as can be. Man cannot judge the sinner. Christ forgave the sinner. But the sinner was commanded to go forth...and sin no more. That requires an acceptance and a change of heart. That requires a willingness to follow the laws, while allowing that should someone stumble, Christ is there to pick them up.

You know...for the life of me, I dont know why this is a contentious subject. I really dont. If you believe in God and are a professed Christian, you would subjugate your desires to the word of God. If you DONT believe in God or Christ, you would have no compelling reason to follow Gods laws or even be worried about it.
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It's contentious because there seems to be this desire among certian Christian apologists to have an answer for everything because they want Christianity to be all things to all people. The rush to put forth an answer quick and easy often negates having a well thought out answer.

People aren't bestowed with infinite knowledge upon accepting Christ as their Lord and savior.

Maybe instead of having all the answers right away christans can be philosophical. Instead of listening to sombody because they are wearing vestments and ordained by some membership based organization we can question all things, not because we lack faith but because we cherish it.

I find it contentious because I run into far more people that present the idea that if you don't agree in lock step with someone that you aren't Christian.

Its contentious because people don't understand that you go only by grace that no man is worthy alone, that we are all on the same level. We all fall short of the grace of God. Nothing anybody can do will ever change that. It ous only through Christ we have grace.

So which law is more important God's or Jesus's?
 
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VanceMack said:
I’m merely pointing out the dishonesty and stupidity of your arguments. You lay out a scripture then kick your own ass with it.

Relax. No one is reversing abortion laws and no one is reversing gay marriage.


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No, all you are doing is what any christian does. Interpret a badly written book to suite your own dreams.

No for now but do not pretend that there are not christians out there who would if they were given the chance. Your own vice president for one.

The dishonesty here is really all yours in trying to pretend that christians are not aiming to do such things.
 
Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

VanceMack said:
Who wants to 'control your sex life'? In fact, considering the understanding of agency and the ability to choose, even things that are in opposition to Gods laws, wouldnt you have to say that in no way shape or form would anyone that is Christian be attempting to control your sex life?
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Christianity's main purpose was to control the sexuality of outs people. If it didn't there would be inbreeding polygamists and loads more unwanted children. It creates the bonds of marriage to reign in the sexuality of the participants. What do toy think rules on marriage and sex are for?

The homosexual nonsense seems like bologna tacked on in the modern era to combat perceived attacks on that sacred institution.
 
Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

VanceMack said:
There was no fallacy. You claim their identity as Christian. I simply asked you to 1-demonstrate their expressed identity as Christian and 2-their expressed actions as Christians. Otherwise, the person that brought them up in the first place would be...stupid.

And when challenged...you..........


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what expressed actions are required to be Christian? Please support claims.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
what expressed actions are required to be Christian? Please support claims.
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To believe in him. To accept him. To follow him. To become converted to the gospel.

Its silly that you would ask such a question.
 
Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

CLAX1911 said:
Christianity's main purpose was to control the sexuality of outs people. If it didn't there would be inbreeding polygamists and loads more unwanted children. It creates the bonds of marriage to reign in the sexuality of the participants. What do toy think rules on marriage and sex are for?

The homosexual nonsense seems like bologna tacked on in the modern era to combat perceived attacks on that sacred institution.
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Thats just...goofy. Even when gay marriage was illegal...which is a societal law...did someone try to prevent you from choosing to be and act upon your sexuality?
 
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soylentgreen said:
No, all you are doing is what any christian does. Interpret a badly written book to suite your own dreams.

No for now but do not pretend that there are not christians out there who would if they were given the chance. Your own vice president for one.

The dishonesty here is really all yours in trying to pretend that christians are not aiming to do such things.
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:lamo

No...I simply called out your inept interpretations which you make not in the name of a belief system but out of convenience to an ideology or cause.
 
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