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[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

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and yet.. animals demonstrate homosexuality. So why did God created them that way? As you just point out.. its not like they can decide to go "against god"..

I just explained why...
 
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and yet.. animals demonstrate homosexuality. So why did God created them that way? As you just point out.. its not like they can decide to go "against god"..

In the animal kingdom especially where procreation is limited to the prime breeding stock and the inferior animals are shunned from the herd it’s not uncommon for beasts to engage in a manner befitting...well...animals.

Are you claiming that homosexuals are no better than rutting animals? That seems rather harsh.


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Many "Christians" seem to ignore Jesus Christ's actual teachings..and bring up the old testament when it suits their purpose (generally when justifying treating people badly)

There is a fair amount of how to (mis?)treat slaves in the New Testament as well yet fewer references to homosexuality as sin or perversion.
 
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I’d say it’s an accurate statement that Christians refer to and defer to the Bible as a word of God, though obviously not the definitive word of God as man has played such a role in accusations the books.


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I'll take that as a "yes, but..." answer.
 
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I'll take that as a "yes, but..." answer.

I’m sure you will ‘take’ a direct answer in whatever manner best suites your argument.


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People also say that christians are hypocrites, uneducated about their own bible and simply cherry pick that which suites their bias. Your post is a perfect example of that.

You claim the bible tells you not to be a homosexual and you willingly follow this. Yet the bible also tells you to kill homosexuals
(Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.).
Yet you ignore the part that does not suite you. Instead claiming it is none of your business. Again you demonstrate your ignorance of the bible and your hypocrisy and your cherry picking.
(James 4:17 7 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.)

It is not your choice to not sleep with men any more than it was your choice to prefer women. Homosexuality is not a choice.

Your hypocrisy, being uneducated and cherry picking the bible to suite yourself is however a choice. And you have demonstratively chosen badly.
I cant help but wonder if you simply dont know what you are on about, are ignorant of the entirety of James 4, or know and would rather not discuss it in its entirety.

SURELY since you are now citing scripture then you understand that blood sacrifice called for in the Old Testament was satisfied by and made obsolete by the life and death of Christ, just as you know that healing and forgiveness for all sin and all mankind was also made perfect through the atonement, but that sin was not excused (just as you know that the citation in James 4 makes the knowledge of sin certain).

I mean...you KNOW that stuff...right?
 
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Don't really care what an archaic book has to say about homosexuality.
 
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Don't really care what an archaic book has to say about homosexuality.

Here's the problem: Either find a way to accommodate people's religious beliefs or engage in religious persecution. Pick one.
 
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Here's the problem: Either find a way to accommodate people's religious beliefs or engage in religious persecution. Pick one.

WTF are you on about? People can believe whatever the hell they want to.
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

You make it sound like God hates homosexuals! Nothing could be further from the truth. God hates the sin of homosexuality, but he loves the homosexual person.

Gays are taught that they are born that way, but obviously that's not the truth. God has given us free will to make decisions on a lot of different things including sexual lust.

A person who is gay and practicing homosexual activity, can get on his knees and come to Christ and ask the Lord for forgiveness of his sins including the sin of homosexuality. They can ask the Lord into their life and grow in to their Christian commitment from there.

He may continue for a while in his homosexual lifestyle, just as other Sinners don't give up their sins right away because of habit, because of weakness, because of the familiar pulls of our past life, and maybe Satan's even ranglin in his ear.

But over time if one truly has committed himself to Christ, and starts reading His Word everyday and praying to Him and having a personal relationship with Jesus, eventually sins of all nature will begin to manifest themselves less and less..

But make no mistake God loves a homosexual. He hates the sin of homosexual activity.

A person who is presently Gay can come to Jesus right now, and the Lord would welcome them with open arms. He says “come just as you are”.
 
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WTF are you on about? People can believe whatever the hell they want to.

Either the Truth of the Bible or Satan's lies. There is no other alternative. Homosexuality is what God calls, and still calls today, an abomination.
 
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Either the Truth of the Bible or Satan's lies. There is no other alternative. Homosexuality is what God calls, and still calls today, an abomination.

That's great. Good for you.
 
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I cant help but wonder if you simply dont know what you are on about, are ignorant of the entirety of James 4, or know and would rather not discuss it in its entirety.

SURELY since you are now citing scripture then you understand that blood sacrifice called for in the Old Testament was satisfied by and made obsolete by the life and death of Christ, just as you know that healing and forgiveness for all sin and all mankind was also made perfect through the atonement, but that sin was not excused (just as you know that the citation in James 4 makes the knowledge of sin certain).

I mean...you KNOW that stuff...right?

WTF has blood sacrifice to do with this. Lectivus calls on the penalty for a sin not a sacrifice. James tells us that to ignore a sin is a sin.

DebateChallenge claims the bible itself claims homosexuality is a sin. That comes from lectivus. but the same can be said in the nt. Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

I know of the claims made in the bible but dealing with the weird and often not thought out responses of theists on the matter is something else.
 
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WTF has blood sacrifice to do with this. Lectivus calls on the penalty for a sin not a sacrifice. James tells us that to ignore a sin is a sin.

DebateChallenge claims the bible itself claims homosexuality is a sin. That comes from lectivus. but the same can be said in the nt. Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

I know of the claims made in the bible but dealing with the weird and often not thought out responses of theists on the matter is something else.

Yes...Leviticus does. And blood was satisfied by the life and death and resurrection of Christ. Sin...sin is still sin whether it is in the old testament or the new.

The irony is that you posted James 4 thinking you were making some sort of...point (just as you are posting other new testament passages affirming homosexuality as sinful behavior). You are failing miserably. All you are demonstrating is that homosexuality is still sinful behavior.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Man does not execute Gods judgement.

"And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Sin no more.

It is not of man to condemn sin...but God does not excuse sin.

Sin no more.

This will be the part where you make some comment ridiculing ALL religion, exposing your true position, because your ridiculous attempts to use religion have failed so miserably.
 
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Either the Truth of the Bible or Satan's lies. There is no other alternative. Homosexuality is what God calls, and still calls today, an abomination.

So is eating shellfish. Satan must run red lobster. Lol
 
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Either the Truth of the Bible or Satan's lies. There is no other alternative. Homosexuality is what God calls, and still calls today, an abomination.

Truth of the Bible? The proscription against homosexuality is in Leviticus alongside long lists of other rules. Do you follow them all or just the convenient ones?
Elsewise there's the opinion of that old sinner Paul. Hardly what anyone would call the word of God.
 
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Yes...Leviticus does. And blood was satisfied by the life and death and resurrection of Christ. Sin...sin is still sin whether it is in the old testament or the new.

Blood as in sacrifice. but lectivus is not asking for sacrifice it is stating the punishment for a sin. Two entirely different things.

The irony is that you posted James 4 thinking you were making some sort of...point (just as you are posting other new testament passages affirming homosexuality as sinful behavior). You are failing miserably. All you are demonstrating is that homosexuality is still sinful behavior.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Man does not execute Gods judgement.

"And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Sin no more.

It is not of man to condemn sin...but God does not excuse sin.

Sin no more.

This will be the part where you make some comment ridiculing ALL religion, exposing your true position, because your ridiculous attempts to use religion have failed so miserably.

Your failing to follow the argument. I am trying to point out that the bible considers homosexuality is a sin. Both in old and new testament.

The problem is not in that it is the DebateChallenge attempting to follow the bible in condemning homosexuality but ignoring in how he chooses to deal with the sin. The usual cherry picking of a theist when using the bible.
 
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Blood as in sacrifice. but lectivus is not asking for sacrifice it is stating the punishment for a sin. Two entirely different things.



Your failing to follow the argument. I am trying to point out that the bible considers homosexuality is a sin. Both in old and new testament.

The problem is not in that it is the DebateChallenge attempting to follow the bible in condemning homosexuality but ignoring in how he chooses to deal with the sin. The usual cherry picking of a theist when using the bible.
Blood as in Mans judgement of Sin. You keep citing New Testament doctrine that EXPLAINS it...from Christ himself...but since it doesnt fit your ridiculous narrative you just keep on repeating the same thing over and over.

The Old AND New Testaments both affirm...homosexuality is a sin. Christ himself explained that mans execution of judgement is no longer required, but that sinful behavior is still sin.

If you want modern bloodletting for homosexuality, you will have to look to the Muslim faith.
 
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Blood as in Mans judgement of Sin. You keep citing New Testament doctrine that EXPLAINS it...from Christ himself...but since it doesnt fit your ridiculous narrative you just keep on repeating the same thing over and over.

The Old AND New Testaments both affirm...homosexuality is a sin. Christ himself explained that mans execution of judgement is no longer required, but that sinful behavior is still sin.

If you want modern bloodletting for homosexuality, you will have to look to the Muslim faith.

Tell that to the Christian dudes from Wyoming who murdered Matthew Shepherd. 'No true Scotsman Fallacy' in 5...4....3....2...1
 
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Christians tell me that God gave us free will.

Christians tell me their God has a Divine Plan ( everything that will occur is already pre-determined by their god ).They also tell me we have free will.These two concepts are diametrically opposed.
 
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Tell that to the Christian dudes from Wyoming who murdered Matthew Shepherd. 'No true Scotsman Fallacy' in 5...4....3....2...1
You should really do some reading about who murdered Mathew Sheppard and why.

But dont get that twisted. Man does some pretty horrific things to man in the name of religion...but that isnt the case in the story of Mathew Sheppard.
 
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You should really do some reading about who murdered Mathew Sheppard and why.

But dont get that twisted. Man does some pretty horrific things to man in the name of religion...but that isnt the case in the story of Mathew Sheppard.

I didn't say it was in the name of religion.I said the murderers identified as Christians.There is a difference.
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.
So what's your point?
 
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"Christians" do not have a view on homosexuality. God does. "Christians" accept Gods views on homosexuality.
Maybe you should be taking up your questions with God.

Christians have views, absolutely some Cristian organizations don't to view homosexuality as sinful. Are they just not Christian because you say so? Are they just not Christian because they don't adhere to the Bible the way you think they should? Who told you that you were correct?
 
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