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[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.
 
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I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

What other preferences do you choose? Do you get to decide whether you prefer blondes or brunettes? Did your taste buds tell you what your favorite food was going to be or did you tell your tastebuds what they were going to like? Did you make a conscious choice to be right handed or left handed or did that just kind of develope on its own? What's your favorite sexual position? Did you decide that before you had sex or did you try some different positions in order to figure out which one felt the best for you?

The Bible says a lot of things. It says that if a woman has sex before marriage we're supposed to take rocks and throw them at her until she's dead. Do you follow that biblical law? If being gay is immoral why can't God just tell us why? Why does he have to order us to do it without justification? Why bother creating people that are attracted to the same sex in the first place? Can't he just make sure everyone is heterosexual? Why bother giving people free will so they can be happy if you're going to order them to make the choices you want them to make anyway?

How old were you when you made the choice to be straight? I remember when I was a kid my dick would just get hard at really random times. I didn't really get to decide when or where it was going to happen. It kind of had a mind of its own. I wish I could decide who I fell in love with the way you can. I fell in love with this girl a few years back, but she didn't particularly like me that much. I asked her out and she said, "No, she just wanted to be friends." That sucked. I wish I could just decide to not have feelings for her the way that you can. It probably wouldn't have hurt my feelings so much.
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

You don't follow everything the bible says, you pick and choose which verses you want to follow and which you want to ignore, so you're no different.

Have you ever sat where a menstruating woman has sat?
"And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even." Leviticus 15:19-21
SINNER!!!

Ever gone to the doctor first instead of a priest?
James 5:14 NASB
Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up.
SINNER!!!

Your wife ever dare to open her mouth in church?
1st Corinthians 14:34 NASB
The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak.
SINNER!!!

We've all lusted after someone before, but you seem to still have two eyes.
Matthew 5:29
So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away.
SINNER!!!
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

It seems really important to you that we all know you aren’t into guys. :)
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

OK. Thanks for sharing. :)

Now just remember to keep your personal decisions from becoming public policy to be imposed on everyone. That's all anyone is asking here.
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

That is in the OT. When I ask Christians why they don't kill people who work on the Sabbath they tell me that the NT negates the OT rules. So being gay is fine with God.
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

What I hear you saying is that you wouldn't mind being gay or bi if the Bible said it was OK. Is that correct? It's the Bible that is holding you back from acting on your same sex desires.

You said not "liking" other men is your "choice". I'm curious about your decision. How old were you when you decided not to be gay? What were the major factors involved in your decision? Has it been difficult for you to stick with your decision? How satisfied are you with the choice you made?
 
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What I hear you saying is that you wouldn't mind being gay or bi if the Bible said it was OK. Is that correct? It's the Bible that is holding you back from acting on your same sex desires.

You said not "liking" other men is your "choice". I'm curious about your decision. How old were you when you decided not to be gay? What were the major factors involved in your decision? Has it been difficult for you to stick with your decision? How satisfied are you with the choice you made?

Christians tell me that God gave us free will.
 
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What other preferences do you choose? Do you get to decide whether you prefer blondes or brunettes?

Wow. Talk about tough choices. That's like asking if you like vanilla or chocolate ice cream better. Or Porsches or Ferraris. Or vacationing in Paris or Hawaii. ;)
 
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I have heard people claim that the Bible is not that cut-and-dried about homosexuality -- that context and translation could give different interpretations of the scriptures which SOME Christians use to condemn homosexuality.

But I won't go into that.

I'll simply point out as others have done, that most of these Christians ignore a whole lot of the Bible ... so it doesn't seem so much that they care about what the Bible says as much as they do about using it as an excuse for their positions about gays.
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

People also say that christians are hypocrites, uneducated about their own bible and simply cherry pick that which suites their bias. Your post is a perfect example of that.

You claim the bible tells you not to be a homosexual and you willingly follow this. Yet the bible also tells you to kill homosexuals
(Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.).
Yet you ignore the part that does not suite you. Instead claiming it is none of your business. Again you demonstrate your ignorance of the bible and your hypocrisy and your cherry picking.
(James 4:17 7 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.)

It is not your choice to not sleep with men any more than it was your choice to prefer women. Homosexuality is not a choice.

Your hypocrisy, being uneducated and cherry picking the bible to suite yourself is however a choice. And you have demonstratively chosen badly.
 
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I was raised as a Christian, and went to church almost every Sunday up until my early twenties. I managed to go quite a while without ever hearing the Christian orthodiox's view on homosexuality. I had only ever encountered homophobic attitudes in the context of schoolyard bullying and men so uncomfortable with their sexuality that they have to loudly let everyone know how un-gay and macho they are. It's not something that I would have ever guessed would come from God.

I think I might have been a little less shocked if I hadn't been already conditioned to ignore ****, like God's preference over one bloodline over another.

I tried to rationalize it for a while, and even (reluctantly) carried around a 'hate the sin, not the sinner' mind-set. I find that mentality to be pretty disgusting today, and I'm glad that I've abandoned it. Homosexuality wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back, though. It's just another brick in the massive wall that was my faith.

Lots of folks find all sorts of ways to rationalize and re-interpret away all the inconvienantly grotesque things that one can find in the 'good' book. I could not, and I've long-since have gone through the emotional withdrawls that would have had me desperately clinging to some form of Christianity. Now I look back at some of the things I was conditioned to not question, and I wonder how I could have ever been so ensnared.

If a book proclaims itself to be truth by its own authority, if there are passages mandating the stoning of disobediant children, if it is written that condoned the rape of women as spoils of war, if some cult-like figure want you to shun your family, then, perhaps, it's time to start reading something else.
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

Hmmm.. so its your choice not to be with other men?

When did you remember making this choice... and out of curiosity.. how long did you try being homosexual before you made your choice.

I am heterosexual.. and I never made a choice.. I just like girls.. no choice for me...
 
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"Christians" do not have a view on homosexuality. God does. "Christians" accept Gods views on homosexuality.
Maybe you should be taking up your questions with God.
 
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I have heard people claim that the Bible is not that cut-and-dried about homosexuality -- that context and translation could give different interpretations of the scriptures which SOME Christians use to condemn homosexuality.

But I won't go into that.

I'll simply point out as others have done, that most of these Christians ignore a whole lot of the Bible ... so it doesn't seem so much that they care about what the Bible says as much as they do about using it as an excuse for their positions about gays.

Many "Christians" seem to ignore Jesus Christ's actual teachings..and bring up the old testament when it suits their purpose (generally when justifying treating people badly)
 
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"Christians" do not have a view on homosexuality. God does. "Christians" accept Gods views on homosexuality.
Maybe you should be taking up your questions with God.

Well then why did god create homosexuals especially in animals.. ..
 
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"Christians" do not have a view on homosexuality. God does. "Christians" accept Gods views on homosexuality.
Maybe you should be taking up your questions with God.

Some Christians refer to the bible as the word of god - are they mistaken?
 
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Well then why did god create homosexuals especially in animals.. ..

Again...that’s a conversation you might want to take up with God.

I don’t understand the idiotic need for some people to equate human beings and especially homosexuals to rats and other animals that have a tendency towards homosexual acts when they are deemed of inferior breeding stock or, as in the case of vermin, **** anything that moves. And yet you do.

I also don’t understand why the concept of ‘attraction’ is such a mystery to people.


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Well then why did god create homosexuals especially in animals.. ..

Animals were not created with a conscience nor do they have the capacity to worship God, nor to distinguish right from wrong...animals were created to operate on instinct alone, part of that instinct is to procreate...animals have no power of reason or logic...man does...well, supposedly he does, some don't...
 
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Some Christians refer to the bible as the word of god - are they mistaken?

As a Christian... I would say yes...they are mistaken.. but then again.. I would not be surprised that a lot of Christians don't understand how the Bible came to be historically.
 
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Some Christians refer to the bible as the word of god - are they mistaken?

I’d say it’s an accurate statement that Christians refer to and defer to the Bible as a word of God, though obviously not the definitive word of God as man has played such a role in accusations the books.


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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

You might be looking at this backwards: Suppose you DID like to be with other men? Would that change your interpretation of the Bible?
 
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Animals were not created with a conscience nor do they have the capacity to worship God, nor to distinguish right from wrong...animals were created to operate on instinct alone, part of that instinct is to procreate...animals have no poser of reason or logic...man does...well, supposedly he does, some don't...

and yet.. animals demonstrate homosexuality. So why did God created them that way? As you just point out.. its not like they can decide to go "against god"..
 
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Many "Christians" seem to ignore Jesus Christ's actual teachings..and bring up the old testament when it suits their purpose (generally when justifying treating people badly)

I’d say that’s actually a common ailment...just as others like to cite part of Christ’s teachings to prove their points while ignoring the totality of the text. For example...that whole “go forth, and sin no more” part gets hardly any play at all.


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