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[W:585:651]]Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Well.. lets start with the obvious. Real easy. The author states that the cause of this is that parents are trying to convince their boy children to suddenly be girls and vice versa.

Does that make sense in society? Do you really think that we are at a point where society is more accepting of transgender people.. than they are of people who are secure in their gender? Right there was a whopper of a lie she told there.

Secondly.. you realize that transgender folks.. have been around for decades right? That its not a new phenomena.. whats new.. is the acceptance of people that have gender issues...

SO.. if the cause of people being transgender is acceptance of people being transgender...

Why were their issues with gender decades ago when the predominant attitude was that switching your gender made you a freak at best,, and at worst.. worthy of a beating?


not to mention she has the science all wrong.

They've been around for much longer than decades. Many ancient cultures talk about having people who had gender variations, were not comfortable as the sex they were born. There have been several societies that simply accepted them, others rejected them. It isn't anywhere close to new.
 
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They've been around for much longer than decades. Many ancient cultures talk about having people who had gender variations, were not comfortable as the sex they were born. There have been several societies that simply accepted them, others rejected them. It isn't anywhere close to new.

Well.. I was just starting from the medical fact that the first sex reassignment surgery was back in 1966. Pretty hard to argue that Transgender people seeking to change their sex was the result of societies permissiveness back in 1966.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Translation - I won't be discussing this topic with you - You continue to do the same thing over and over again (cut and paste) and you're still up to you're still up to you're still up to your old tricks. Please bother someone else.

Translation: You STILL have zero facts to support your posted lies so you try additional deflections and those completely fail to for all to see LMAO
In the future simply dont post lies, be able to back up your false claims and your posts wont fail and be destroyed so easily.
(Hint: also maybe pick a topic where definitions and the consensus of the medical science community doesn't disagree with your made up lies)

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion

please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

The below came from her interview...

A psychologist or a psychiatrist would be more qualified to comment than a pediatrician. it's just a doctor giving their misguided opinion

i watched a few seconds of it, its crap. it's not scientific. She says "human sexuality is binary" that's complete crap and then I stopped because I know the rest was going to be unsubstantiated garbage. Sexuality is not binary. There are all sorts of cases of people with both sex organs, mutations in sex chromosomes, extra sex chromosomes, a bunch of cases that show its not binary.

and sorry, its a psychological issue that this pediatrician doesn't have the qualification to talk about
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Translation: You STILL have zero facts to support your posted lies so you try additional deflections and those completely fail to for all to see LMAO
In the future simply dont post lies, be able to back up your false claims and your posts wont fail and be destroyed so easily.
(Hint: also maybe pick a topic where definitions and the consensus of the medical science community doesn't disagree with your made up lies)

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion

please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!

respond to me if you want to, but until I see some improvement in your overall attitude, I won't be responding. My goal is to get answers. You obviously have none to offer so you won't get any responses from me.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

respond to me if you want to, but until I see some improvement in your overall attitude, I won't be responding. My goal is to get answers. You obviously have none to offer so you won't get any responses from me.

Translation: You STILL have zero facts to support your posted lies so you try additional deflections and those completely fail to for all to see LMAO
In the future simply dont post lies, be able to back up your false claims and your posts wont fail and be destroyed so easily.
(Hint: also maybe pick a topic where definitions and the consensus of the medical science community doesn't disagree with your made up lies)

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion

please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

A psychologist or a psychiatrist would be more qualified to comment than a pediatrician. it's just a doctor giving their misguided opinion

i watched a few seconds of it, its crap. it's not scientific. She says "human sexuality is binary" that's complete crap and then I stopped because I know the rest was going to be unsubstantiated garbage. Sexuality is not binary. There are all sorts of cases of people with both sex organs, mutations in sex chromosomes, extra sex chromosomes, a bunch of cases that show its not binary.

and sorry, its a psychological issue that this pediatrician doesn't have the qualification to talk about

...all of which are discussed in the thread.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

They are, it's a small group of physicians that put religious belief over medicine to the detriment of their patients.

Renae, I gotta tell you after listening to the doctor a second time, she seems to have a better grasp of what is going on than you do. XX and YX seem to seal the deal. She seems to have it all worked out and according to what she says, there is no such thing as people being born in the wrong bodies. Sorry.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Translation: You STILL have zero facts to support your posted lies so you try additional deflections and those completely fail to for all to see LMAO
In the future simply dont post lies, be able to back up your false claims and your posts wont fail and be destroyed so easily.
(Hint: also maybe pick a topic where definitions and the consensus of the medical science community doesn't disagree with your made up lies)

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion

please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!

Here is my response to Renae "Renae, I gotta tell you after listening to the doctor a second time, she seems to have a better grasp of what is going on than you do. XX and YX seem to seal the deal. She seems to have it all worked out and according to what she says, there is no such thing as people being born in the wrong bodies. Sorry."

Agent J, You have no case. Of course that won't stop you from trying to come up with something better (a better argument) and it's bound to come out being silly but you are welcome to try.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Here is my response to Renae "Renae, I gotta tell you after listening to the doctor a second time, she seems to have a better grasp of what is going on than you do. XX and YX seem to seal the deal. She seems to have it all worked out and according to what she says, there is no such thing as people being born in the wrong bodies. Sorry."

Agent J, You have no case. Of course that won't stop you from trying to come up with something better (a better argument) and it's bound to come out being silly but you are welcome to try.

Translation: You STILL have zero facts to support your posted lies so you try additional deflections and those completely fail to for all to see LMAO
In the future simply dont post lies, be able to back up your false claims and your posts wont fail and be destroyed so easily.
(Hint: also maybe pick a topic where definitions and the consensus of the medical science community doesn't disagree with your made up lies)

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion

please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Renae, I gotta tell you after listening to the doctor a second time, she seems to have a better grasp of what is going on than you do. XX and YX seem to seal the deal. She seems to have it all worked out and according to what she says, there is no such thing as people being born in the wrong bodies. Sorry.
You are hearing what you want to hear. What is the solution for Trans folk? Hmm? What's the answer? I know what she thinks, we need to suffer, because she doesn't like it. And you agree with her. I'm not living in shame and self hate because of ignorance and bigotry.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Translation: You STILL have zero facts to support your posted lies so you try additional deflections and those completely fail to for all to see LMAO
In the future simply dont post lies, be able to back up your false claims and your posts wont fail and be destroyed so easily.
(Hint: also maybe pick a topic where definitions and the consensus of the medical science community doesn't disagree with your made up lies)

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion

please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!

Sorry, but I already did. And you are fresh out of chances. Which is a real shame really that you have no idea of how badly you just lost.
PLease don't write to me for the time being. You need the extra time to come out of this in one piece. I have more work to do with the rest of your group.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Sorry, but I already did. And you are fresh out of chances. Which is a real shame really that you have no idea of how badly you just lost.
PLease don't write to me for the time being. You need the extra time to come out of this in one piece. I have more work to do with the rest of your group.

ranslation: You STILL have zero facts to support your posted lies so you try additional deflections and those completely fail to for all to see LMAO
In the future simply dont post lies, be able to back up your false claims and your posts wont fail and be destroyed so easily.
(Hint: also maybe pick a topic where definitions and the consensus of the medical science community doesn't disagree with your made up lies)

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion


please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Here we go again. I can almost sense your refusal to cooperate. But I will try. The lady in the OP video makes out her case, and it's all I have to go on. You must have something different yourself. If you do (which I doubt) please offer it up as evidence against her. Remember, you don't hold the kind of priviledge which gives you the power to demand anything. If your evidence is powerful enough, I will concede and you will win. Refuse and you will lose very quickly. Do you agree or disagree?

I'm sorry, but that group is a clump of religious docs with a bigotry problem:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/americas-pediatricians-gender-kids/

WHAT'S TRUE
The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds), a small and politically-motivated group, issued a statement about their beliefs on children and gender identity.

WHAT'S FALSE
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) did not issue such a statement, nor do the United States' "leading pediatricians" (or even a majority of pediatricians) concur with the ACPeds' position.

ORIGIN
On 16 May 2016, talk show host Glenn Beck published a tweet reporting that a pediatricians’ group had said that promoting or tolerating gender dysphoria (i.e., the condition of feeling one’s emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite of one’s biological sex) in children constitutes “child abuse”:

Hey, where's Glen Beck these days? How will we stave off "x-mas" without him and bill-O???
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

I haven't read any of the thread, and I am not going to.

As a society, we need to do a lot of research. The basic research that is expected to be done for medical treatments and procedures hasn't been done for sex change surgery.

What we need is informed judgement, the rant in the OP may be by a doctor, but it's silly. It's a lot more complicated, some people are born with both sets of equipment.

One area of research should look at the difference between surgery and counseling. Another area would be to look into improving the transgender process, there is a lot of room for improvement there. The basic research I mentioned would look at outcomes, did the surgery actually improve quality of life? We really don't know.

I think there is a lot of potential to help people here. But we don't have the science, or the procedures, to do it right. Not yet.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

I haven't read any of the thread, and I am not going to.

As a society, we need to do a lot of research. The basic research that is expected to be done for medical treatments and procedures hasn't been done for sex change surgery.

What we need is informed judgement, the rant in the OP may be by a doctor, but it's silly. It's a lot more complicated, some people are born with both sets of equipment.

One area of research should look at the difference between surgery and counseling. Another area would be to look into improving the transgender process, there is a lot of room for improvement there. The basic research I mentioned would look at outcomes, did the surgery actually improve quality of life? We really don't know.

I think there is a lot of potential to help people here. But we don't have the science, or the procedures, to do it right. Not yet.

Why should society do any research at all? Just leave things as they have been for a long time. The idea that men and women are constantly being born into wrong bodies isn't any kind of fact and is just a stupid idea. Maybe there has been one or two cases in history, but not at the numbers we see today. Yet today we see it all over the place where there is no evidence, and that evidence is just statements like "I was born into the wrong body, and I need help putting me back together again". It's just stupid.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

respond to me if you want to, but until I see some improvement in your overall attitude, I won't be responding. My goal is to get answers. You obviously have none to offer so you won't get any responses from me.

That won't be a problem.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Why should society do any research at all? Just leave things as they have been for a long time. The idea that men and women are constantly being born into wrong bodies isn't any kind of fact and is just a stupid idea. Maybe there has been one or two cases in history, but not at the numbers we see today. Yet today we see it all over the place where there is no evidence, and that evidence is just statements like "I was born into the wrong body, and I need help putting me back together again". It's just stupid.

I knew about 10 cases when I was a teenager in the 1960's. Once again a proof-free post from you.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

I knew about 10 cases when I was a teenager in the 1960's. Once again a proof-free post from you.

So you read about 10 cases during the 1960's? So what? Do they prove anything? And what would a proof-read from me get for you?

My friend, I am afraid you're stuck in the same position as before; uninformed.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

That won't be a problem.

Yes, it will. It will allow me to control the debate with a real problem. He never contributes anything, and even if you and he doesn't find my threats forceful enough, so what. They're still my control.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

I knew about 10 cases when I was a teenager in the 1960's. Once again a proof-free post from you.

Always funny when a poster gets caught lying or posting pure factual ignorance on a topic and its not admitted.
The video in the OP is based on the concept that all transgenders are delusional and that transgerism is delusion. Retarded claims like that have been proven false by facts and the vast consensus the medical community for quite some time. Its not even up for debate, anybody claiming otherwise is liken to a flat earther.
 
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So you read about 10 cases during the 1960's? So what? Do they prove anything? And what would a proof-read from me get for you?

My friend, I am afraid you're stuck in the same position as before; uninformed.

You said that maybe there were one or two cases in history. There have been many. You are uninformed and believe crap that you see on Youtube.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

So you read about 10 cases during the 1960's? So what? Do they prove anything? And what would a proof-read from me get for you?

My friend, I am afraid you're stuck in the same position as before; uninformed.

For once just admit that you are wrong. There is no shame in it.


"Transgender history dates back to the first recorded instances of transgender individuals in ancient civilizations in Asia. Only since the latter half of the twentieth century has there been any awareness and development of a community of transgender individuals.

Ancient history
Transgender and third gender people have been recorded in almost all cultures across human history."

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Transgender_history.html
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

So you read about 10 cases during the 1960's? So what? Do they prove anything? And what would a proof-read from me get for you?

My friend, I am afraid you're stuck in the same position as before; uninformed.

Africa
Egypt
Inscribed pottery shards from the Middle Kingdom of Egypt (2000–1800 BCE), found near ancient Thebes (now Luxor, Egypt), list three human genders: tai (male), sḫt ("sekhet") and hmt (female).[1] Sḫt is often translated as "eunuch", although there is little evidence that such individuals were castrated.[2] In the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt, Queen Hatshepsut became pharaoh and was believed to wear male clothing and a false beard. [3] Many existing statues alternatively show her in typically feminine attire as well as those that depict her in the royal ceremonial attire. Statues portraying Sobekneferu also combine elements of traditional male and female iconography and, by tradition, may have served as inspiration for these works commissioned by Hatshepsut.[4]

Uganda
Uganda has a long and, until relatively recently, quite permissive LGBT history. During precolonial times, Religious roles for cross-dressing men (homosexual priests) were historically found among the Bunyoro people. The Teso people also acknowledged a category of men who dressed as women.[5]

Americas
George Catlin (1796-1872) Dance to the Berdache. Depicts a ceremonial dance to celebrate the two-spirit person among the Sac and Fox Indians.
George Catlin (1796-1872) Dance to the Berdache. Depicts a ceremonial dance to celebrate the two-spirit person among the Sac and Fox Indians.
Prior to western contact, some American Native tribes had third-gender roles, but details were only recorded after the arrival of Europeans. Roles included "berdache" (a derogatory term for people who were assigned male at birth, who assumed a traditionally feminine role) and "passing women" (people who were assigned female at birth who took on a traditionally masculine role). The term "berdache" is not a Native American word; rather it was of European origin and covered a range of third-gender people in different tribes. Not all Native American tribes recognized transgender people.[6]

One of the first accounts of transgender people in the Americas was made by Jesuit missionary Joseph-François Lafitau who spent six years among the Iroquois in 1711.[7] He observed "women with manly courage who prided themselves upon the profession of warrior" as well as "men cowardly enough to live as women."[8]

Asia
Further information: Ancient Assyria, Homosexuality in India, and LGBT in Islam

In ancient Assyria, there were homosexual and transgender cult prostitutes, who took part in public processions, singing, dancing, wearing costumes, sometimes wearing women's clothes and carrying female symbols, even at times performing the act of giving birth.[9]

In ancient India, Hijra are a caste of third-gender, or transgender group who live a feminine role. Hijra may be born male or intersex, and some may have been born female.[10] Hijras have a recorded history in the Indian subcontinent from antiquity onwards as suggested by the Kama Sutra period.

In Persia, poets such as Sa'di, Hafiz, and Jami wrote poems replete with homoerotic allusions, including sex with transgender young women or males enacting transgender roles exemplified by the köçeks and the bacchás, and Sufi spiritual practices.

Transgender history - Wikiwand
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Always funny when a poster gets caught lying or posting pure factual ignorance on a topic and its not admitted.
The video in the OP is based on the concept that all transgenders are delusional and that transgerism is delusion. Retarded claims like that have been proven false by facts and the vast consensus the medical community for quite some time. Its not even up for debate, anybody claiming otherwise is liken to a flat earther.

I'll bet that he denies the evidence that I posted and he'll insist that he is right, despite being proven wrong.
 
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