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[W:585:651]]Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

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spud_meister said:
It's not up to you to judge a persons choice of gender identity, are you sure?
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It's not up to me to judge the extremely rare mutant's sex or gender. The rest are readily identifiable.

It's not up to me to tell a guy born with only half of his arm whether he has a full arm or no arm. But, if the guy born with a whole arm insists he doesn't have one, it's not out of line for me to explain to him that he's not being rational.
 
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spud_meister said:
What criteria would you use to sort an intersex person into a gender role?
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As repeated, I wouldn't.

And why is this case of people with "physiological, genetic, biological problem" recognised, but not individuals with neurological problems that cause them to believe they are of the opposite gender?
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Both are recognized. One is recognized as an objective medical condition, and the other a relatively subjective mental illness. If you don't like that stigma, too bad. I didn't invent it. Also I haven't seen any evidence nor bit of reasoning here that would suggest that those categorizations are incorrect.

How do you choose which "physiological, genetic, biological" problems require treatment and which don't?
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I don't.
 
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spud_meister said:
Gender is the sociological implication of sex.
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what does that mean?

Obviously, an individual with say Turner Syndrome doesn't fit into your binary categories, so how would you determine their gender?
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if Ginger is the sociological blah blah blah blah blah then I think it would be up to them.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
So what concept does gender describe that is independent of sex?
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Marriam Webster is probably the better source to seek the information on that question.
 
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She said it best...it's in the mind and thoughts...I agree with her...
 
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L0neW0lf said:
What I said was; "she falsely claims that there is a binary of XX or XY, any person here (let alone a doctor) would know that THE sex chromosomes a person is born with are not binary; there are plenty of variation.", how rarely those plenty of different variations that exist occur is irrelevant, what is only relevant is the fact that only ignorant people would claim that there exists a binary of XY/XX, a doctor should know better.
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chromosomes aren't binary I don't think she made that claim she made the claim that sex is binary



By laypeople perhaps, by ignorant people that do not know that sexuality is not the same as sex if you are however going to be speaking on the subject of transgenderism, you should know better.
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actually words can and do have more than one meaning.




You cannot even spell the name of the disordor correctly and yet you feel yourself qualified enough to form an educated opinion on it.
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yes. When does it need to know how to spell something correctly in order to understand the concept.

What I was clearly disputing in my post is her unsubstantiated dismissal of the possibility that biological factors might influence the development of a transgender identity.
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Since there is no evidence of any biological factors that could influence this I don't think it's unreasonable at all to dismiss things that are not proven to exist.

I mean I dismiss the ideas that demons influence it

According to her, transgender identity is about "thoughts and feelings"
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how else would you know you're a man in a woman's body or vice versa?

it is a well known fact that biology/chemistry does indeed affect mental health, it affects thoughts, feelings and behaviour.
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not always. There can be environmental influences.
We know genes affect the development of "pshycological issue"s that run in families. Like her you are way out of your depth.
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You Saying psychology is founded in biology doesn't negate psychology.

I would suggest you'd leave the matter for experts and reserve your unsolicited judgements until much more research is done on the subject.
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So I should have no opinion whatsoever even if it is to proceed with caution until there is definitive fact? If everybody took that approch we would still be living in the dark ages.
 
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Elvira said:
She said it best...it's in the mind and thoughts...I agree with her...
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The Python had this figured out decades ago. And today...men, in environments where doctors appointments are already limited in availability...are being given pelvic exams and pap smears, just to make sure they dont feel left out...because after all...the really really really really FEEL like women.
 
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Simple question asked...and triggered a violent response.

"What are YOUR genetics?"

When we have finally reached a point in society that we allow people to call themselves whatever they feel like regardless of genetics, where does it end? Trans-specist is a 'thing' but of course everyone is quick to say "why THATS ridiculous...because even if they FEEL like they should have been born a dolphin, genetically, they are HUMAN."

OK...but 'genetically' men are men. Women are women. How you feel is irrelevant to the scientific facts.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
what does that mean?
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Sex is biological, gender is how we perceive sex. Gender is the roles and rules and stereotypes we build around sex. Trans people can't change their sex, so they do their best to change their gender.

if Ginger is the sociological blah blah blah blah blah then I think it would be up to them.
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Up to them? How do you think they would decide? A person with Turner syndrome is physiologically female, they have ovaries and a vagina and everything. Do you think one could decide they want to identify as male simply based on sex chromosome abnormalities, irrespective of physiology?
 
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spud_meister said:
Trans people can't change their sex, so they do their best to change their gender.
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I think it's more making what's on the outside (physical) match what's on the inside (mental). Transgenders are expressing themselves though conforming (in a basic sense, to gender), not changing. But I'm not versed in the psychological/individual aspects, so I could be wrong.
 
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spud_meister said:
Sex is biological, gender is how we perceive sex.
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we perceive sex as how it's demonstrated biologically. So what you're saying is gender is a synonym for sex.

Gender is the roles and rules and stereotypes we build around sex.
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no that's a gender role.
Trans people can't change their sex, so they do their best to change their gender.
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this doesn't make any sense. You said gender is how we perceive sex so how can a trans person change how we perceive sex?



Up to them? How do you think they would decide?
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by whatever criteria they want.

A person with Turner syndrome is physiologically female, they have ovaries and a vagina and everything.
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and is also not a trans person so why Trail off in this irrelevance?


Do you think one could decide they want to identify as male simply based on sex chromosome abnormalities, irrespective of physiology?
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they can't decide anything about their sex. Regardless of how ambiguous it is it is simply what it is.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
This video will no doubt create tons of controversy but this is a doctor's view on being transgender, not that I agree or disagree with her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-e_wJthmk
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https://www.adolescenthealth.org/SAHM-News/SAHM-Responds-to-Dr-Michelle-Cretella.aspx
7/20/2017
The Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine strongly rejects the views of those in the medical community pushing political and ideological agendas not based on science and facts.

Recently, Dr. Michelle Cretella, the president of the American College of Pediatricians, penned a scathing attack on the transgender community thinly veiled as an argument against the dangers of transgender surgery and support; an argument based on medical omissions, circumstantial facts, hateful interpretation and peripheral context.

Earlier this month, the Adolescent Health News Roundup, compiled by Multiview and distributed by SAHM, included the article “I’m a Pediatrician. How Transgender Ideology Has Infiltrated My Field and Produced Large-Scale Child Abuse”.
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https://www.transactivegendercenter...ABUSE-ALERT-American-College-of-Pediatricians

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative advocacy group of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States.[SUP][1][/SUP] The group was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians, including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] The group's membership as of 2016 is estimated at 500 members.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5]
[/SUP]ACPeds describes itself as "a national organization of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals dedicated to the health and well-being of children... committed to fulfilling its mission by producing sound policy, based upon the best available research, to assist parents and to influence society in the endeavor of childrearing."[SUP][6][/SUP]Founder Joseph Zanga has described it as a group "with Judeo-Christian, traditional values that is open to pediatric medical professionals of all religions" provided that they "hold true to the group's core beliefs: that life begins at conception; and that the traditional family unit, headed by an opposite-sex couple, poses far fewer risk factors in the adoption and raising of children."[SUP][7][/SUP]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians
 
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It might be beneficial for you folks trying to invent your own definitions for sex and gender to realize it's not legitimate to do so. You can't just invent a new definition for "up," and say that it means down, not if you wish to avoid confusion and opposition.
 
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Anarchon said:
Even by the dictionary you propose using, they are interchangeable.
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Are these two sentences interchangeable?...1) Last night I engaged in sex with another person...2) Last night I engaged in gender with another person.
 
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Logician Man said:
Are these two sentences interchangeable?...1) Last night I engaged in sex with another person...2) Last night I engaged in gender with another person.
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Fallacy of equivocation. Sex has multiple meanings, and you're alluding to the wrong one here.
 
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Anarchon said:
It might be beneficial for you folks trying to invent your own definitions for sex and gender to realize it's not legitimate to do so. You can't just invent a new definition for "up," and say that it means down, not if you wish to avoid confusion and opposition.
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Sure they can. People can do whatever they want
 
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Anarchon said:
Fallacy of equivocation. Sex has multiple meanings, and you're alluding to the wrong one here.
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That was my point..Sex and gender are not 'always' interchangeable,as indeed,sex has multiple definitions/meanings.
 
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I'd recommend you deniers research the etymology of both words gene, and gender. You might be surprised to find that they both come from the same word, genus (greek) / genos (latin).

So much for it being a social construct.
 
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VanceMack said:
Its no wonder so many people are so completely ****ed up.

This is a man.
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So is this.
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Now you can lie to this person all you want. You can tell them that because they FEEL like a woman, they ARE a woman...but they arent. Genetically he is still a man. And when you tell him that he is REALLY a woman...because...you know...he FEELS like a woman...at the end of the day, its still Bob staring back at Zoey. And Bob is a man. And Zoey knows it.

Worse...this whole dialogue is destructive. You dont have to lie to people or convince them that its OK to lie to themselves to help them find happiness. When Bob Tur loves himself enough toaccept that he is a man, that for some reason really FEELS like he should have been born a woman...but he wasnt...he was born a man...and thats OK...then Bob Tur can do anything he wants and be OK. He can have cosmetic work to make his exterior look more like what he feels like. but what you cant do is really and truly convince Zoey Tur that THIS
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is a woman.

Because he isnt.
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Vance, so you want people to suffer because you think that's a good plan?
 
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Renae said:
Vance, so you want people to suffer because you think that's a good plan?
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Where did I even BEGIN to suggest that? FFS...if thats how you read it you need to get your mental eyes checked. Try again...starting with "You dont have to lie to people....."
 
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