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[W:585:651]]Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Re: [W:585]Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

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Re: [W:585]Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

AGENT J said:
1.) good cause facts would disagree with you
2.) who here was talking about whether transgenders exist or not? not me thanks for proving my point and again highlighting your mistake lol
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Agent J I’m arguing with what your saying. But this is personal for me. I know I can’t change anyone’s mind with confrontation. I want them to understand me. So that they may start to change their own mind. If I can’t get one person who oppose my life to understand my side of the issue. It will spread through them to others. It’s a very slow way to change the world. But it’s the only real way to do it. On any other issue I wouldn’t care how you debated. But a couple of times on this thread I have almost showed people the truth and you come in and push them away. I know you may not care what I’m trying to do here.


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Re: [W:585]Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Babykat said:
1.) Agent J I’m arguing with what your saying.
2.) But this is personal for me.
3.) I know I can’t change anyone’s mind with confrontation. I want them to understand me. So that they may start to change their own mind. If I can’t get one person who oppose my life to understand my side of the issue. It will spread through them to others. It’s a very slow way to change the world. But it’s the only real way to do it.
4.) On any other issue I wouldn’t care how you debated. But a couple of times on this thread I have almost showed people the truth and you come in and push them away. I know you may not care what I’m trying to do here.


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1.) no you are trying to argue with what YOU are saying and i never did
2.) whether its personal or not doesnt matter to what i actually said. its doesnt change anything
3.) of course you can if that person is honest and objective BUT i will agree there are better approaches . .again IF they are honest and objective
4.) i dont care what you care about in regardes to what you got wrong and i never said and NO theres nobody here you almost showed the truth and i pushed them away LMAO Also notice post 651

Like i said, what i actually said sure you already agreed with the other day. they are everything in the bold and my original links from medical science stating those facts is is way back in the the beginning of this thread
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO
1. Facts, THE Dictionary, the APA, The CDC, WHO and medical science all disagree with tour claim and

2.prove it wrong . .

3.If you or anybody disagree with these facts

4.Transgender =/= delusion

5.gay =/= transgender

6.gender =/= binary

7.gender =/= sex

8.sexual orientation =/= sex =/= gender

by all means post one fact that proves otherwise, thanks![/B]
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1. Your right these groups do support your claims and disagree with those that don’t agree with you. But at best this is just educated or expert opinions.

2. These groups you have listed cannot and have not ever claimed they could prove anything your saying. Yes they agree with what your saying. But they have no prove. Thus making what they are saying and what you are saying just an opinion.

3. I don’t disagree with what your saying. But what your saying isn’t fact. It’s an opinion your presenting as fact.

4. If being transgender isn’t caused by something physical (I.E. genetic or neurologic) than it’s a delusion in my mind. But as to date there is no real evidence of any physical condition causing it.

5. Can you prove that transgenders aren’t attracted to the same sex or even that they haven’t had sex with someone of the same sex. Plus I was born male and attracted to females. Meaning in not homosexual. But after SRS my sex will be female and I’m attracted to females making me homosexual.

6. If being transgender is just a delusion in my mind. Then gender is binary.

7. I’m not going to argue any of these. Because this one is based on definition of these words and the current definition of these words supports your claims. But definitions are based on poplar opinions and subject to change.

8. Once again this one is based on definitions which aren’t based on evidence. But instead are based on popular opinions.

9. The reason I know you can’t prove these ideas is because I have spent a life time trying to prove them. I read ever medical and scientific study done on transgenders looking for proof. Also the first time you said the link with evidence proving your points was at the beginning of the thread. I went back and read all your post and links. All you posted where opinions. They maybe the opinions of medical professionals. But they are still just opinions.
 
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Babykat said:
1. Your right these groups do support your claims and disagree with those that don’t agree with you. But at best this is just educated or expert opinions.

2. These groups you have listed cannot and have not ever claimed they could prove anything your saying. Yes they agree with what your saying. But they have no prove. Thus making what they are saying and what you are saying just an opinion.

3. I don’t disagree with what your saying. But what your saying isn’t fact. It’s an opinion your presenting as fact.

4. If being transgender isn’t caused by something physical (I.E. genetic or neurologic) than it’s a delusion in my mind. But as to date there is no real evidence of any physical condition causing it.

5. Can you prove that transgenders aren’t attracted to the same sex or even that they haven’t had sex with someone of the same sex. Plus I was born male and attracted to females. Meaning in not homosexual. But after SRS my sex will be female and I’m attracted to females making me homosexual.

6. If being transgender is just a delusion in my mind. Then gender is binary.

7. I’m not going to argue any of these. Because this one is based on definition of these words and the current definition of these words supports your claims. But definitions are based on poplar opinions and subject to change.

8. Once again this one is based on definitions which aren’t based on evidence. But instead are based on popular opinions.

9. The reason I know you can’t prove these ideas is because I have spent a life time trying to prove them. I read ever medical and scientific study done on transgenders looking for proof. Also the first time you said the link with evidence proving your points was at the beginning of the thread. I went back and read all your post and links. All you posted where opinions. They maybe the opinions of medical professionals. But they are still just opinions.
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1.) yes i know, you are free to call it what ever you want, right now its fact and its based on definitions and medical science
2.) you are free to believe what ever you like your feelings are meaningless and they dont interest me, ill be sticking with facts, definitions and medical science
3.) See #2
4.) See #2
5.) what you just asked is not needed that has nothing to do with anything said . . nothing at all. AGain please dont start with the retarded strawmen and babbling about things i never said, im giving you losts of leeway here dont abuse it
6.) see #2
7.) see #2
8.) see #2
9.) see #2

Facts, definitions, the APA, The CDC, WHO and medical science all remain and your feelings changes none of them :shrug:
I know you WANT to argue but theres nothing to argue because your feeligns dont matter. ill be sticking with with facts, definitions and medical science. You are free to have your feelings.
good luck in your quest!
 
Babykat said:
4. If being transgender isn’t caused by something physical (I.E. genetic or neurologic) than it’s a delusion in my mind. But as to date there is no real evidence of any physical condition causing it.

6. If being transgender is just a delusion in my mind. Then gender is binary.
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these two points should disqualify your from ever speaking on this subject again.

I believe, instead of "delusion", the term you're looking for is "mental illness", which still isn't necessarily true. The fact that you use the word "delusion" multiple times means that you clearly do not think it is a real thing, which means you are wrong. Factually. We may not understand all of the science surrounding it, but transgender people very clearly exist, whether you like it or not.

Also, even if trans people weren't a thing, gender still wouldn't be strictly binary. there are a minimum of 4 possibilities in combinations of sex organs / chromosome arrangements.
 
nekrodev said:
these two points should disqualify your from ever speaking on this subject again.

I believe, instead of "delusion", the term you're looking for is "mental illness", which still isn't necessarily true. The fact that you use the word "delusion" multiple times means that you clearly do not think it is a real thing, which means you are wrong. Factually. We may not understand all of the science surrounding it, but transgender people very clearly exist, whether you like it or not.

Also, even if trans people weren't a thing, gender still wouldn't be strictly binary. there are a minimum of 4 possibilities in combinations of sex organs / chromosome arrangements.
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First you know you just said I should be disqualified from ever speaking about myself right. Second I only used the term delusion because it’s the term he used and others have. Third being transgender isn’t a mental illness. The correct term is gender dysphoria. My whole point in the post you quoted was that no one can prove whether gender dysphoria is a mental or physical condition. If it is a mental condition then it could be classified as a delusion. Just like a person who believes they are god or king James III. Just because I point out that there is no concrete evidence proving whether it’s a physical or mental condition. Doesn’t mean that I don’t believe that being transgender is physical condition. But I probably know more about the science based around being transgender then most people. I can’t wait for the day when we can prove it. It would make my life and the life of so meany others better. We would be able to take a test and get the treatment we need with out going through months if not years of psychiatric evaluation. Before we can get the treatment we need. I know my last post may have appeared as if I opposed transgenders. But if you go back and look at my previous post you may understand what I’m really trying to say.


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Babykat said:
If it is a mental condition then it could be classified as a delusion. Just like a person who believes they are god or king James III.

But I probably know more about the science based around being transgender then most people.
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wow you just made it worse LMAO
you claim to know so much but your posts say otherwise.
 
AGENT J said:
wow you just made it worse LMAO
you claim to know so much but your posts say otherwise.
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Transgender: Evidence on the biological nature of gender identity -- ScienceDaily

According to the researchers the article does have some limitations due to the small numbers of individuals studied and therefore conclusions should be drawn with caution. Safer recommends that further research focus on specific biologic mechanisms for gender identity.

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

Little is known about the causes of transsexuality, and many of the studies that have been conducted – particularly psychological studies – have since been widely discredited (more on that later). However, scientists do seem to have some information on the biological basis of several factors.

Transgender: Fact or Fiction?

Because transgender is a hot topic, everyone seems to have an opinion on it and, especially in places like op-Ed pages and blog comments sections, many self-appointed experts have been sharing what they view as the “facts” of being transgender with others. Not surprisingly, many of those facts are plain wrong.

What trans people don't need is for those who are not trans to go around pretending that they're experts on our lived experiences. The facts are out there for those who choose to be informed, but they're rarely coming out of Internet comments sections or sub-Reddits. So the next time you see a cis person making definitive statements about those who are trans, it's a good time for you to be skeptical.


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Babykat said:
Transgender: Evidence on the biological nature of gender identity -- ScienceDaily

According to the researchers the article does have some limitations due to the small numbers of individuals studied and therefore conclusions should be drawn with caution. Safer recommends that further research focus on specific biologic mechanisms for gender identity.

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

Little is known about the causes of transsexuality, and many of the studies that have been conducted – particularly psychological studies – have since been widely discredited (more on that later). However, scientists do seem to have some information on the biological basis of several factors.

Transgender: Fact or Fiction?

Because transgender is a hot topic, everyone seems to have an opinion on it and, especially in places like op-Ed pages and blog comments sections, many self-appointed experts have been sharing what they view as the “facts” of being transgender with others. Not surprisingly, many of those facts are plain wrong.

What trans people don't need is for those who are not trans to go around pretending that they're experts on our lived experiences. The facts are out there for those who choose to be informed, but they're rarely coming out of Internet comments sections or sub-Reddits. So the next time you see a cis person making definitive statements about those who are trans, it's a good time for you to be skeptical.


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LMAO you are making it worse, nothing you posted matters to the monumentally uneducated statment you made and what i said .. nothing
the best part is you keep proving me right because you dont even know that what you said was so factually wrong.You keep proving with your posts that you are NOT educated on this subject at all. AT this point i dont believe ANY of your personal claims and its seems you are making them up.
 
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AGENT J said:
LMAO you are making it worse, nothing you posted matters to the monumentally uneducated statment you made and what i said .. nothing
the best part is you keep proving me right because you dont even know that what you said was so factually wrong.You keep proving with your posts that you are NOT educated on this subject at all. AT this point i dont believe ANY of your personal claims and its seems you are making them up.
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Actually I just copy and pasted all that from the links I provided. No of that is my words.


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Babykat said:
Actually I just copy and pasted all that from the links I provided. No of that is my words.


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wow? how old are you? LMAO
im well aware that its not YOUR words, its the fact that you think any of it is relevant and has an impact to your previous statment that was factually wrong. Again this is why you no longer have any credibility on this topic, your claims are badly exposed. You claim to be trans, i doubt it.
 
Babykat said:
Actually I just copy and pasted all that from the links I provided. No of that is my words.


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Just FYI some people even if you type potato into a response they'll still argue with you.

If you tell them they're right about everything no matter what they will still argue with you.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Just FYI some people even if you type potato into a response they'll still argue with you.

If you tell them they're right about everything no matter what they will still argue with you.
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The problem is that these people have limited perspective. They believe that their own perspective is fact and can’t see the world through other people’s eyes. If there where proven facts then you couldn’t really argue them. But when you can neither prove or disprove any idea it’s not a fact. On both sides of this subject there are studies and professional trying to prove their side. We are slowly proving that transgender and gender dysphoria is actually a biological issue and not a mental issue. But the evidence isn’t complete yet. There is some amazing circumstantial evidence out there. But none of it is conclusive. There is enough circumstantial evidence to draw a Preliminary conclusion that it is a biological issue. But it’s not conclusive.


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AGENT J said:
wow? how old are you? LMAO
im well aware that its not YOUR words, its the fact that you think any of it is relevant and has an impact to your previous statment that was factually wrong. Again this is why you no longer have any credibility on this topic, your claims are badly exposed. You claim to be trans, i doubt it.
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At least I’m presenting actual data. You never have. I know your going to say “I posted a link that proved my facts back at the beginning of this thread.” But I went back and you didn’t. I know you think your a big deal. But your not and your words aren’t fact. I have posted links to creditable information. You haven’t and until do I’m not going to continue this exercise in futility. To anyone else that really wants to debate this issue I am more then willing to discuss it.


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Babykat said:
At least I’m presenting actual data. You never have. I know your going to say “I posted a link that proved my facts back at the beginning of this thread.” But I went back and you didn’t. I know you think your a big deal. But your not and your words aren’t fact. I have posted links to creditable information. You haven’t and until do I’m not going to continue this exercise in futility. To anyone else that really wants to debate this issue I am more then willing to discuss it.


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you data is meaningless to the discussion and again its hilarious. You STILL dont even realize what you said in post 657 . . . lying about what i posted wont change anything either you just keep proving you are not who you claim to be, you are posting lies about it.
again you WANT to argue but your feelings are meaningless, you lost to facts and theres nothgn to "debate". honest educated and objective people will be sticking with facts, definitions, the APA, The CDC, WHO and medical science. Thanks for playing! :)
 
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