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Asia Argento: Double Standard?

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(CNN)Actress and filmmaker Asia Argento has found herself on the other side of the #MeToo conversation.

The New York Times reported Sunday that months after publicly accusing Harvey Weinstein of rape, Argento made a deal with a young actor who accused her of sexual assault.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department on Monday said it was trying to reach the actor in order to "appropriately document any potential criminal allegations."
Argento was among the first women to accuse now disgraced movie mogul Weinstein of sexual misconduct and has been a leading figure in the #MeToo movement.
The New York Times says it has lawyers' documents showing that actor and musician Jimmy Bennett alleged Argento sexually assaulted him in 2013 when he was 17 and she was 37.
According to the publication, Bennett said the assault took place at a hotel in California, where the age of consent is 18. Bennett played Argento's son in the 2004 movie "The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things."
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For those who don't already know, Asia Argento, a prominent voice in the #MeToo movement, was revealed to have paid off an sexual harassment victim due to an incident way back in 2013 with a young actor (who was 17 years old at the time). There is substantial evidence against her, and the pictures that TMZ acquired were released today.

Now, this incident is pretty interesting to me, for one seeing a prominent #MeToo accuser having the tables turned on her, and the double standard quite a few people have been pointing out. Some other notable #MeToo accusers, have responded to the NYT expose with a message to "be gentle". And some are pointing out the "convenient" timing that this story got released, suggesting that Harvey Weinstein was involved. In terms of how I personally feel about this, I really do see a double standard that's being played out here. It doesn't make sense to me to (rightfully) denounce people like Weinstein and Kevin Spacey for what they've done, and then give Asia Argento a slap on the wrist. Like, what sense does it make to defend her? She's just going to mar the image of the #MeToo movement, and make it look hypocritical. And how dumb is it to suggest that we should "be gentle" with her, when many of the men accused in the #MeToo wave were not given any such hesitance whatsoever? I agree that there should be levels of restraint before we make final judgement on the accused (basically wait for all the facts to come in), but it strikes me as extremely hypocritical coming from the same people that said we need to believe survivors of sexual assault. Why does that not apply to Ms. Argento? And others have pointed out that the reaction to this story would be vastly different had the genders been reversed in this situations. And for the most part, I agree with that. I think more people tend to dismiss or downplay male victims of sexual abuse, which is for a variety of reasons. But I think what the #MeToo movement needs to do now is do whatever they can to distance themselves from Asia. Show that no matter if you're a woman or a man: sexual harassment/assault will not be tolerated, justified, or downplayed.

But what are your thoughts? Do you think there is a double-standard in this situation?
 
TheGoverness said:
But what are your thoughts? Do you think there is a double-standard in this situation?
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Yes, lots of them. Some people think she should be treated more gently then the people she accused and some people think she should be treated more harshly than the people she accused. Some people would see these accusations treated differently because the alleged offence was an older woman with a young male or because she was/is physically attractive, in contrast to the perceived unattractive middle age males with young females.

It seems like these days, standards come in pairs as standard. :cool:
 
HonestJoe said:
Yes, lots of them. Some people think she should be treated more gently then the people she accused and some people think she should be treated more harshly than the people she accused. Some people would see these accusations treated differently because the alleged offence was an older woman with a young male or because she was/is physically attractive, in contrast to the perceived unattractive middle age males with young females.

It seems like these days, standards come in pairs as standard. :cool:
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lol..ya, I don't think "double" is enough standards... I'm sure there will be all kinds of opinions on how to judge this woman.

Hopefully fairness will prevail, and she will be investigated and judged no more or less harshly than men have. But as to what actually happens, guess it depends on the how much of axe to grind, and in what direction, the person judging her will have.
 
TheGoverness said:
But what are your thoughts? Do you think there is a double-standard in this situation?
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There is always a double standard in these dynamics. Always. It's why a teacher who is a man has sex with a female student is seen as scum of the earth and a female teacher doing the same to a male student gets the response of "Oh hell yeah! I wish I had that teacher." and that the boy wasn't really a victim. This has played out exactly like this on this board before.
 
After reading an article about this in the NYT it seems Asia Argento is some sort of hussy and a hypocrite.

The conspiracy theorist inside of me thinks that may have led partly to poor Anthony Bourdain's suicide since he had a role in paying off Jimmy Bennett. Looks to me like Bourdain's life went downhill when he hooked up with her.
 
She has a porn star name. Is she a porn star?
 
Absolutely.

She pretty much forced herself on this guy, much like Weinstein did on other women. It's the height of hypocrisy to talk about sexual misconduct when you're paying people to keep silent about your own perversions.
 
TheGoverness said:
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For those who don't already know, Asia Argento, a prominent voice in the #MeToo movement, was revealed to have paid off an sexual harassment victim due to an incident way back in 2013 with a young actor (who was 17 years old at the time). There is substantial evidence against her, and the pictures that TMZ acquired were released today.

Now, this incident is pretty interesting to me, for one seeing a prominent #MeToo accuser having the tables turned on her, and the double standard quite a few people have been pointing out. Some other notable #MeToo accusers, have responded to the NYT expose with a message to "be gentle". And some are pointing out the "convenient" timing that this story got released, suggesting that Harvey Weinstein was involved. In terms of how I personally feel about this, I really do see a double standard that's being played out here. It doesn't make sense to me to (rightfully) denounce people like Weinstein and Kevin Spacey for what they've done, and then give Asia Argento a slap on the wrist. Like, what sense does it make to defend her? She's just going to mar the image of the #MeToo movement, and make it look hypocritical. And how dumb is it to suggest that we should "be gentle" with her, when many of the men accused in the #MeToo wave were not given any such hesitance whatsoever? I agree that there should be levels of restraint before we make final judgement on the accused (basically wait for all the facts to come in), but it strikes me as extremely hypocritical coming from the same people that said we need to believe survivors of sexual assault. Why does that not apply to Ms. Argento? And others have pointed out that the reaction to this story would be vastly different had the genders been reversed in this situations. And for the most part, I agree with that. I think more people tend to dismiss or downplay male victims of sexual abuse, which is for a variety of reasons. But I think what the #MeToo movement needs to do now is do whatever they can to distance themselves from Asia. Show that no matter if you're a woman or a man: sexual harassment/assault will not be tolerated, justified, or downplayed.

But what are your thoughts? Do you think there is a double-standard in this situation?
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Rose McGowan definitely has a double standard, which you referenced:

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This brings an old adage about when you point a finger you always have 3 pointing back at you to mind.

Basically, we see a lot of these causes getting blown up in the media. They turn into as much or more hype than substance. That's too bad because, as a rule, there is a valid underlying cause for the concern. Unfortunately, the hype often drowns out reason. From there the true victims get lost and the true circumstances of the originating issue get manipulated for shock value. In the end, everyone loses because the hype has become bigger than the cause.
 
TheGoverness said:
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For those who don't already know, Asia Argento, a prominent voice in the #MeToo movement, was revealed to have paid off an sexual harassment victim due to an incident way back in 2013 with a young actor (who was 17 years old at the time). There is substantial evidence against her, and the pictures that TMZ acquired were released today.

Now, this incident is pretty interesting to me, for one seeing a prominent #MeToo accuser having the tables turned on her, and the double standard quite a few people have been pointing out. Some other notable #MeToo accusers, have responded to the NYT expose with a message to "be gentle". And some are pointing out the "convenient" timing that this story got released, suggesting that Harvey Weinstein was involved. In terms of how I personally feel about this, I really do see a double standard that's being played out here. It doesn't make sense to me to (rightfully) denounce people like Weinstein and Kevin Spacey for what they've done, and then give Asia Argento a slap on the wrist. Like, what sense does it make to defend her? She's just going to mar the image of the #MeToo movement, and make it look hypocritical. And how dumb is it to suggest that we should "be gentle" with her, when many of the men accused in the #MeToo wave were not given any such hesitance whatsoever? I agree that there should be levels of restraint before we make final judgement on the accused (basically wait for all the facts to come in), but it strikes me as extremely hypocritical coming from the same people that said we need to believe survivors of sexual assault. Why does that not apply to Ms. Argento? And others have pointed out that the reaction to this story would be vastly different had the genders been reversed in this situations. And for the most part, I agree with that. I think more people tend to dismiss or downplay male victims of sexual abuse, which is for a variety of reasons. But I think what the #MeToo movement needs to do now is do whatever they can to distance themselves from Asia. Show that no matter if you're a woman or a man: sexual harassment/assault will not be tolerated, justified, or downplayed.

But what are your thoughts? Do you think there is a double-standard in this situation?
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I believe she could still be charged for this crime.....and should
 
Men have all the privilege and the physical strength. The dynamics of these relationships just aren't the same when it's a young man. Just like sexism requires power and privilege, so to does real sexual abuse.

And if this kid was so traumatized, why did he sent Argento love letters and naked pictures?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Men have all the privilege and the physical strength. The dynamics of these relationships just aren't the same when it's a young man. Just like sexism requires power and privilege, so to does real sexual abuse.

And if this kid was so traumatized, why did he sent Argento love letters and naked pictures?
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Now you are attacking the victim. Do that to a woman and you are sexist
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Men have all the privilege and the physical strength. The dynamics of these relationships just aren't the same when it's a young man. Just like sexism requires power and privilege, so to does real sexual abuse.

And if this kid was so traumatized, why did he sent Argento love letters and naked pictures?
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You really have no shame, do you?
 
TheGoverness said:
But what are your thoughts? Do you think there is a double-standard in this situation?
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My thoughts? Either men and women are to be held to the same standard of conduct and the same consequences for violating that conduct, or they are not. As shown by this present instance, Asia Argento is clearly being held to a different standard. If there was a photograph of Harvey Weinstein (or any other older male Hollywood big shot) in bed with an underage actress, that would be the cross upon which he would be crucified. Here, the silence and acceptance is quite marked.

Now that we know men and women are definitely held to a different standard, I think a good question should be: Should they be held to the same standard? Or should we allow two tiers of social acceptance of sexual conduct to prevail, one for men and one for women? Should we continue to hold men to the higher standard, and allow women a handicap when it comes to violating the consent of underage boys? Are the biological, emotional and psychological differences (as well as the social differences that in turn result from them) between men and women enough to justify this discrepancy of treatment?
 
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For every one woman that sexually harasses or assaults a man, there are 10000 men that do it to a woman. Being more concerned about men than women is not a double standard, it's using stats to set priorities and live in the real world.

If there's a one in a million chance a purple person steals, and one is convicted of theft, I'm not gonna make a big deal.

Women sexually harassing and assaulting men is not a problem in this country. The opposite is a serious problem. I will address my concerns as such. That's real, not "double standard".
 
ecofarm said:
For every one woman that sexually harasses or assaults a man, there are 10000 men that do it to a woman. Being more concerned about men than women is not a double standard, it's using stats to set priorities and live in the real world.

If there's a one in a million chance a purple person steals, and one is convicted of theft, I'm not gonna make a big deal.

Women sexually harassing and assaulting men is not a problem in this country. The opposite is a serious problem. I will address my concerns as such. That's real, not "double standard".
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It is a serious problem to the man that is assaulted. Each case can be handled individually. This woman should be charged with a crime
 
ecofarm said:
For every one woman that sexually harasses or assaults a man, there are 10000 men that do it to a woman. Being more concerned about men than women is not a double standard, it's using stats to set priorities and live in the real world.

If there's a one in a million chance a purple person steals, and one is convicted of theft, I'm not gonna make a big deal.

Women sexually harassing and assaulting men is not a problem in this country. The opposite is a serious problem. I will address my concerns as such. That's real, not "double standard".
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What a load of ****.

Men don't come forward because society expects they enjoy any sexual advances from women, so men worry of being laughed at or perceived as weak if they tell their stories.

Both sexes should be able to tell their stories and have each case judged on its merits.
 
ecofarm said:
For every one woman that sexually harasses or assaults a man, there are 10000 men that do it to a woman. Being more concerned about men than women is not a double standard, it's using stats to set priorities and live in the real world.
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And there I think you make your greatest mistake, ecofarm. You seem to look at group activity rather than actions taken by individual actors against other individuals.

No one is saying that female-on-male sexual assault or rape it is some kind of widespread scourge, ecofarm (though it could be and maybe I am mistaken). What matters is how we react to it when it occurs. When someone commits a crime or violates social mores, should they not be held to the same standards? To draw a comparison Asian Americans committing violent crime in the United States is a relatively low in relation to their population when compared to white crime and black crime in the United States. However, when it does occur should an Asian-American not be charged under the same laws and held to the same standards as any other person who commits the same crime? Or does the statistical insignificance of the crime make it not a problem worth addressing or considering?

ecofarm said:
If there's a one in a million chance a purple person steals, and one is convicted of theft, I'm not gonna make a big deal.

Women sexually harassing and assaulting men is not a problem in this country. The opposite is a serious problem. I will address my concerns as such. That's real, not "double standard".
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Children being kidnapped and slowly starved to death in the New Mexican malpais is an incredibly rare occurrence. But for those few children who are it is a problem. Likewise, it is a problem for those (perhaps) relatively few young men and boys being harassed, assaulted and raped, even if they are statistically insignificant. Do not confuse relative statistical insignificance with total insignificance.
 
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Not only does there appear to be a double standard, but some of the wrong people seem to be at least passively supportive of it. We should evaluate harshly that Rose McGowan will be almost militant when #metoo is going one direction then ask for a different tone when going the other.

This cannot settle well now... no matter what else comes out.
 
Felis Leo said:
And there I think you make your greatest mistake, ecofarm. You seem to look at group activity rather than actions taken by individual actors against other individuals.
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"Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas."
 
TheGoverness said:
Article Here.



For those who don't already know, Asia Argento, a prominent voice in the #MeToo movement, was revealed to have paid off an sexual harassment victim due to an incident way back in 2013 with a young actor (who was 17 years old at the time). There is substantial evidence against her, and the pictures that TMZ acquired were released today.

Now, this incident is pretty interesting to me, for one seeing a prominent #MeToo accuser having the tables turned on her, and the double standard quite a few people have been pointing out. Some other notable #MeToo accusers, have responded to the NYT expose with a message to "be gentle". And some are pointing out the "convenient" timing that this story got released, suggesting that Harvey Weinstein was involved. In terms of how I personally feel about this, I really do see a double standard that's being played out here. It doesn't make sense to me to (rightfully) denounce people like Weinstein and Kevin Spacey for what they've done, and then give Asia Argento a slap on the wrist. Like, what sense does it make to defend her? She's just going to mar the image of the #MeToo movement, and make it look hypocritical. And how dumb is it to suggest that we should "be gentle" with her, when many of the men accused in the #MeToo wave were not given any such hesitance whatsoever? I agree that there should be levels of restraint before we make final judgement on the accused (basically wait for all the facts to come in), but it strikes me as extremely hypocritical coming from the same people that said we need to believe survivors of sexual assault. Why does that not apply to Ms. Argento? And others have pointed out that the reaction to this story would be vastly different had the genders been reversed in this situations. And for the most part, I agree with that. I think more people tend to dismiss or downplay male victims of sexual abuse, which is for a variety of reasons. But I think what the #MeToo movement needs to do now is do whatever they can to distance themselves from Asia. Show that no matter if you're a woman or a man: sexual harassment/assault will not be tolerated, justified, or downplayed.

But what are your thoughts? Do you think there is a double-standard in this situation?
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Yes there is a double standard and i agree with basically everything you said
I agree that there should be levels of restraint before we make final judgement on the accused (basically wait for all the facts to come in) and that should happen in all cases
 
ecofarm said:
"Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas."
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And any mind combined with moral conscience should be able to discuss all three.
 
MovingPictures said:
Absolutely.

She pretty much forced herself on this guy, much like Weinstein did on other women. It's the height of hypocrisy to talk about sexual misconduct when you're paying people to keep silent about your own perversions.
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I don't buy it for a second, I just googled her name with pictures of her and the guy laying in bed, he seems pretty happy to me. She is attractive. This is no way the same as a guy forcing themselves on women, because the reality is when it comes to sex men and woman are different. It does seem the kid was looking for money with his claim (I can be wrong without knowing specifics) because I found it hard to believe he would bring up sexual harassment charges for having sex with an attractive actress.

As I said, I could be wrong but this story doesn't smell right

 
Felis Leo said:
And any mind combined with moral conscience should be able to discuss all three.
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There's a larger point to be had above the petty discussion of "double standards" based on one instance.
 
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