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Family and hate of LGBT

Renae said:
It's obvious you are incapable of having an honest discussion and allowing the value of another persons POV that differs from yours to be considered.

I'm not a second class citizen, no trans is. Your political hackery on this issue shows you don't care about transgender people, much like gun grabbers dancing on the graves of dead children after a shooting, Transpeople are for you just a means to mount the high horse and act as if you are superior.

You are not, and it sickens me when a cisgender like you uses people like me for your own selfish needs.
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Even if you think MG has flaws in her POV, you need to recognize that she is not a bigot, and she is more on your side than the people in the OP.
 
Renae said:
No, in fact some feminist really hate Trans women, did you know that?
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I'm very curious how MGTOW would view you. On one hand, you're a man who "went your own way", not somebody else's way. On the other hand, some might say that you were so anti-male that you became as much the exact opposite as possible. One big MGTOW premise is that women are toxic. That would mean that you would likely stop dating women. However, does that mean that you chose to be toxic? I consider women like sugar. They are bad for one's health, but can be enjoyed in moderation and one must always be conscious of the risks. The first thought when I see a woman is "hang on to your wallet".
 
SDET said:
I presume that would be the "executive feminist" that just wants executive jobs that they are not qualified for.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...-transphobia-terf-lgbt-feminist-a8448521.html
I wish I could tell you the name of the person who shouted “dykes not dicks” at Pride. But for all the noise that her and her friends made protesting against trans people, hardly anyone has owned up to actually being there.

Even if you’re not LGBTQ+, you’ve likely heard of the anti-trans protest that took place at London Pride last weekend. A small group of cisgender women somehow managed to make their way to the front of the march, lay down on the floor, and shouted about how trans women aren’t women and are apparently “raping” lesbians.
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SDET said:
I'm very curious how MGTOW would view you. On one hand, you're a man who "went your own way", not somebody else's way. On the other hand, some might say that you were so anti-male that you became as much the exact opposite as possible. One big MGTOW premise is that women are toxic. That would mean that you would likely stop dating women. However, does that mean that you chose to be toxic? I consider women like sugar. They are bad for one's health, but can be enjoyed in moderation and one must always be conscious of the risks. The first thought when I see a woman is "hang on to your wallet".
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MGTOW? Sorry not ringing bells. I'm married to my wife, who I met as a man, married as a man and she knew from the second date this was a possible outcome, and who supports me 100%. She and I are in love. I'm not in the market for dating.
 
SheWolf said:
Even if you think MG has flaws in her POV, you need to recognize that she is not a bigot, and she is more on your side than the people in the OP.
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I didn't' say she was a bigot, she's selfish.
She has ignored my comment,s in their entirety to push her agenda. Which isn't what's best for Trans people or the Military, but what is politically desirable to her.
 
Renae said:
I didn't' say she was a bigot, she's selfish.
She has ignored my comment,s in their entirety to push her agenda. Which isn't what's best for Trans people or the Military, but what is politically desirable to her.
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My opinion is that you have a hard time talking to people you don't agree with. Differing opinions are really not that big of a deal, or reason to go into attack mode and rant about dancing on graves of dead kids. You come across like you have a lot of anger inside you. No matter what you say about MG, I think she has your back, would fight for your rights, and appears to give you personal support. I think you should realize that and appreciate that. And this isn't just about MG. You need to grateful for anybody who has your back, because that's more important than political opinions
 
Middleground said:
Yet there were plenty of trans people honourably serving before they were banned by Trump. Women have needs too. Against them serving too?

If you think of yourself as second class then you're never going to overcome these issues that you seem to have. I honestly think you're in great denial and that you actually hate yourself. I hope you're getting therapy.
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Geeee zus.

What a ****ing ****ty thing to say to a person.

You disagree with me so you must hate yourself. Nah...couldnt be the points are relevant, valid, and that you just dont agree.

Nah...

You are a real ****ing piece of work.
 
Renae said:
MGTOW? Sorry not ringing bells. I'm married to my wife, who I met as a man, married as a man and she knew from the second date this was a possible outcome, and who supports me 100%. She and I are in love. I'm not in the market for dating.
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SheWolf said:
My opinion is that you have a hard time talking to people you don't agree with. Differing opinions are really not that big of a deal, or reason to go into attack mode and rant about dancing on graves of dead kids. You come across like you have a lot of anger inside you. No matter what you say about MG, I think she has your back, would fight for your rights, and appears to give you personal support. I think you should realize that and appreciate that. And this isn't just about MG. You need to grateful for anybody who has your back, because that's more important than political opinions
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No, I have no problem with discussing issues, she's attacking me as being a self hating person who thinks trans people are and should be 2nd class citizens. That's offensive as hell.
 
VanceMack said:
Geeee zus.

What a ****ing ****ty thing to say to a person.

You disagree with me so you must hate yourself. Nah...couldnt be the points are relevant, valid, and that you just dont agree.

Nah...

You are a real ****ing piece of work.
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Some might call it tough love or whatever. But like i said to the OP, there is a difference between a bigot saying something bigoted and a person saying something you don't like. Get off your high horse and learn the difference. And as far as I am concerned, the OP has some pretty offensive and near bigoted stuff towards Medusa and me. She has a lot to learn about being the target of actual bigots and being offended by a person who would fight for her
 
VanceMack said:
Geeee zus.

What a ****ing ****ty thing to say to a person.

You disagree with me so you must hate yourself. Nah...couldnt be the points are relevant, valid, and that you just dont agree.

Nah...

You are a real ****ing piece of work.
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I have zero to do with him hating himself. I have "known" him for many years here at DP. Anyone with any sense would know based-on his history that indeed he has issues with self-hate. It's as obvious as being punched in the face.

Holy ****ing jump to conclusions. I hope you're wearing a diaper cuz I sense you just shat yourself good. :lol:
 
Renae said:
No, I have no problem with discussing issues, she's attacking me as being a self hating person who thinks trans people are and should be 2nd class citizens. That's offensive as hell.
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Show me differently because I don't see it. Do you love yourself, Renae? Be honest.
 
Middleground said:
I have zero to do with him hating himself. I have "known" him for many years here at DP. Anyone with any sense would know based-on his history that indeed he has issues with self-hate. It's as obvious as being punched in the face.

Holy ****ing jump to conclusions. I hope you're wearing a diaper cuz I sense you just shat yourself good. :lol:
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The fact that you decided that since he didnt fit your "good little tranny" liberal model must mean he hates himself says all anyone will ever need to know about you. There is no "jumping to conclusion" to be had...it was after all your exact ****ing words.
 
SheWolf said:
My opinion is that you have a hard time talking to people you don't agree with. Differing opinions are really not that big of a deal, or reason to go into attack mode and rant about dancing on graves of dead kids. You come across like you have a lot of anger inside you. No matter what you say about MG, I think she has your back, would fight for your rights, and appears to give you personal support. I think you should realize that and appreciate that. And this isn't just about MG. You need to grateful for anybody who has your back, because that's more important than political opinions
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I have always liked you, SheWolf. Not because you agree with me. But because you are very smart and astute. You get it. :applaud
 
VanceMack said:
The fact that you decided that since he didnt fit your "good little tranny" liberal model must mean he hates himself says all anyone will ever need to know about you. There is no "jumping to conclusion" to be had...it was after all your exact ****ing words.
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So far from the truth that it might take light years to get back.
 
Renae said:
No, I have no problem with discussing issues, she's attacking me as being a self hating person who thinks trans people are and should be 2nd class citizens. That's offensive as hell.
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Life as a traditional man (I would appreciate NOT being called a cis-sy) is similar. "Toxic masculinity" should be treated as a slur, but it isn't.
 
SDET said:
Life as a traditional man (I would appreciate NOT being called a cis-sy) is similar. "Toxic masculinity" should be treated as a slur, but it isn't.
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Says the raging misogynist! :doh
 
SheWolf said:
Some might call it tough love or whatever. But like i said to the OP, there is a difference between a bigot saying something bigoted and a person saying something you don't like. Get off your high horse and learn the difference. And as far as I am concerned, the OP has some pretty offensive and near bigoted stuff towards Medusa and me. She has a lot to learn about being the target of actual bigots and being offended by a person who would fight for her
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Yeah? What do you call it? "Tough love"

Do you know there are many women that believe women have no place in combat or even the military (and many of those women are military spouses)? Do you know there are actually gay men that think gay marriage is stupid? Hell...some black folk dont swallow the mindless leftist plantation mantra and actually believe in hard work as a means of achieving success. Do you realize that not everyone that lives a traditional left/liberal leaning lifestyle doesnt walk lock step in the empty headed leftist mindset and that actually DOESN'T mean they hate themselves?

But...its OK...because he apparently at some point said hurtful things about you.

What a ****ing crew.
 
Renae said:
So the other night my old man called while I was streaming Overwatch, and of course Renae plays overwatch, I didn't see who called I just answered. He thought it was my wife. When I made it clear it was me, he got super ****ing mad "Don't ****ing talk to me in your girly voice ever again".

I realized a truth at that moment, as hard as it is, that I have to walk away from family now. I can't wait for them to get over it. I'm done. It hurts like hell. But that sort of hate and bigotry I refuse to subject myself too.

My Aunt and Uncle I lived with as a teen cause they were over seas and told not to bring their teenage son? Physically and mentally abused me. I blew the whistle and escape that, but no one called the cops. My Uncle today is a respected member of the family. My other uncle, the one that abused my son sexually? Bastards in hell now, lung cancer, but the WHOLE family was there honoring him and think my son is a liar. I recently met with one of his other victims, his own son.

But being Trans? Black sheep.

**** family.
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It's sad, but sometimes it's the only way to go. I'm really sorry they aren't able to accept you as you are.

Life is a a journey. Some people aren't such good company, imo.
 
VanceMack said:
Yeah? What do you call it? "Tough love"

Do you know there are many women that believe women have no place in combat or even the military (and many of those women are military spouses)? Do you know there are actually gay men that think gay marriage is stupid? Hell...some black folk dont swallow the mindless leftist plantation mantra and actually believe in hard work as a means of achieving success. Do you realize that not everyone that lives a traditional left/liberal leaning lifestyle doesnt walk lock step in the empty headed leftist mindset and that actually DOESN'T mean they hate themselves?

But...its OK...because he apparently at some point said hurtful things about you.

What a ****ing crew.
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People are always going to be different. And just because a gay man does not want to marry, it does not give him the right to not want gay marriage for the ones that do. It's all about equality.

A trans person can serve well. Many have done so and have been exceptional soldiers. For the life of me, I cannot fathom how someone who understands the difficulties and courage that it takes to transition not want equal rights under the eyes of the law.
 
Middleground said:
Interesting. I always thought that misogynists WERE the excrement sandwiches.
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That's called feeling entitled to men's resources. It's like the pickpocket that the mark prevent's from taking "their" money. "That piece of crap tourist moved his cash to his money belt".
 
Middleground said:
People are always going to be different. And just because a gay man does not want to marry, it does not give him the right to not want gay marriage for the ones that do. It's all about equality.

A trans person can serve well. Many have done so and have been exceptional soldiers. For the life of me, I cannot fathom how someone who understands the difficulties and courage that it takes to transition not want equal rights under the eyes of the law.
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People have differing opinions, yes, even on things like gay marriage or trans or even women serving in the military. That does not make them racist. it doesnt make them homophobic. It doesnt make them self loathing. It doesnt mean they hate themselves. Except to narrow minded ****heads.
 
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