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Family and hate of LGBT

Renae said:
Well it wasn't when I linked it. It was an article from a retired officer giving his reasons, ones that I share. But I guess since I'm not hard left my opinion and those of anyone that I think are valid matter to some of you people.

You got a ****ing agenda, and lthe life, health and safety of the military be damned. Who cares if people die? POLITICS!
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I see the link from your earlier posts...that works, you c&p an inoperable link....but anyway, T Spoehr is either lying or is ignorant, in his 3rd paragraph he says:

"neither Carter nor President Barack Obama ever articulated how the new policy would affect military readiness"

Total BS. In 2015 the DoD commissioned RAND to study this and the costs:


https://www.rand.org/news/press/2016/06/30.html
 
Renae said:
Less political hackery more discussion.

That would eb a ****ing mazing around here.

See, I acknowledge the view point of MG, and others. I disagree with their view, and gave my reasons. The response I got to that was "You hate yourself and think Trans are second class citizens"

I'm so over giving a **** right now about caring that you don't like Heritage foundation or someone there holds an antigay position! SOMEONE! A PERSON!!! OMG! Who ****ing cares? Is it the author of the article? Was it an "ANTI-GAY" Article? No, and no? Then what the **** does that matter?

It doesn't. I'm not woke, I don't care about that broke ass world view, it's for people without common sense, lots of guilt and no mind of their own.
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It wants more discussion....while it goes off on an irrational tantrum.

Less cow, please, less cow.
 
Renae said:
Well it wasn't when I linked it. It was an article from a retired officer giving his reasons, ones that I share. But I guess since I'm not hard left my opinion and those of anyone that I think are valid matter to some of you people.

You got a ****ing agenda, and lthe life, health and safety of the military be damned. Who cares if people die? POLITICS!
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Yay! Someone agrees with you! It MUST BE the TRUTH!!!! :roll:

What about the trans people that served? What about the people who served with trans people? Aside from the study, those are the people who should be cited to give this issue any validity. Not just one opinion.
 
Renae said:
Less political hackery more discussion.
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Gimmesometruth said:
I see the link from your earlier posts...that works, you c&p an inoperable link....but anyway, T Spoehr is either lying or is ignorant, in his 3rd paragraph he says:

"neither Carter nor President Barack Obama ever articulated how the new policy would affect military readiness"

Total BS. In 2015 the DoD commissioned RAND to study this and the costs:


https://www.rand.org/news/press/2016/06/30.html
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I can't hear you moo....
 
Renae said:
Well it wasn't when I linked it. It was an article from a retired officer giving his reasons, ones that I share. But I guess since I'm not hard left my opinion and those of anyone that I think are valid matter to some of you people.

You got a ****ing agenda, and lthe life, health and safety of the military be damned. Who cares if people die? POLITICS!
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The left can't seem to get it into their minds that the military is to kill people and break things, not be a social welfare agency.
 
Renae said:
I was just being "sensitive" for giggles.
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Is his point that because you are trans you should be a Democrat?

I am not sure what one has to do with the other, but if he and other lefties were so concerned about LGBT people, they would be extremely anti-Muslim, which they are not.
 
Renae said:
I needed to vent, and this is the best place to vent and also, either other who maybe LGBT or know a friend or family member that might be this could help in understanding the BS that can go with being your true self.
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The way it is supposed to work is when you are 18 or shortly after that you leave the nest and make your own family.

You are to be concerned about the family you make and if your previous family wants to be a part of your new life, that is fine.

If, like in this case, they do not, that is fine too.

Don't spend too much time worrying about your previous family as that will take time away from what is important right now, which is your current family.
 
Mason66 said:
Is his point that because you are trans you should be a Democrat?

I am not sure what one has to do with the other, but if he and other lefties were so concerned about LGBT people, they would be extremely anti-Muslim, which they are not.
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Well, the fact I'm not a Democrat, means I vote against my own interest. Since I'm a Veteran as well, and feel that the military is not the best place for someone who is Transitioning/transitioned I hate myself and think all Trans people are 2nd class citizens. They got a study see....

Basically I'm a stupid, ignorant, hateful person because I don't agree with their views.
 
Mason66 said:
Is his point that because you are trans you should be a Democrat?

I am not sure what one has to do with the other, but if he and other lefties were so concerned about LGBT people, they would be extremely anti-Muslim, which they are not.
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That's the second time I've seen you say something similar to this in the last couple of days. Why would someone who supports LGBT rights need to be extremely anti-muslim?
 
Renae said:
Basically I'm a stupid, ignorant, hateful person because I don't agree with their views.
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Do you agree with his ridiculous position that for "he and other lefties to be concerned about LGBT people, the would be extremely anti-Muslim, which they are not."?
 
Serenity said:
Do you agree with his ridiculous position that for "he and other lefties to be concerned about LGBT people, the would be extremely anti-Muslim, which they are not."?
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I know that many muslim majority countries are decidedly hateful of lgbt. Iran forces gay men to have sex changes.
 
Serenity said:
Do you agree with his ridiculous position that for "he and other lefties to be concerned about LGBT people, the would be extremely anti-Muslim, which they are not."?
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Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender citizens generally have limited or highly restrictive rights in most parts of the Middle East, and open to hostility in others. Homosexuality is illegal in 10 of the 18 countries that make up the region; and punishable by death in six of these. The rights and freedoms of LGBT citizens are strongly influenced by the prevailing cultural traditions and religious mores of people living in the region - particularly Islam.

All sexual orientations are legal in Bahrain, Cyprus, Northern Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, and Turkey. Female homosexuality is legal in the Palestinian territories and Kuwait; however female homosexuality is unclear in Egypt[1]. Even though female homosexuality is less strict, few of these countries recognise legal rights and provisions. Male homosexuality is illegal and punishable by imprisonment in Kuwait, Egypt, Oman, Qatar, and Syria. It is punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE. In Yemen or the Palestinian territories the punishment might defer between death and imprisonment depending the act committed.

Several Middle Eastern countries have received strong international criticism for persecuting homosexuality and transsexuals by fines, imprisonment and death.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam
 
Serenity said:
That's the second time I've seen you say something similar to this in the last couple of days. Why would someone who supports LGBT rights need to be extremely anti-muslim?
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Do you not know how Muslims treat gays?
 
Mason66 said:
Do you not know how Muslims treat gays?
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How about Liberals and leftists are concerned about the rights of all people in their respective countries

That goes for LGTB, Muslims, ethnic minorities, and all other religious groups. So Liberals would be against muslims in the US discriminating against LGTB, and on the flip side against gays discriminating against muslims. Now as the US, Canada are not dominated by either of those two groups the level discrimination by either of those two groups is less than what both groups face from the dominate ethno cultural group in both.
 
Renae said:
I know that many muslim majority countries are decidedly hateful of lgbt. Iran forces gay men to have sex changes.
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You didn't answer the question.

Those are repulsive views, I'm sure most reasonable people will agree with that. That is no way would automatically mean that someone should be extremely anti-muslim. I'm not a bigot who paints everyone with the same brush. Are you?
 
Mason66 said:
Do you not know how Muslims treat gays?
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Do you not know that all Muslims don't hate gays? Do you not know that there are Muslims who are gay? Why should I be extremely anti-muslim?
 
Serenity said:
Do you not know that all Muslims don't hate gays? Do you not know that there are Muslims who are gay? Why should I be extremely anti-muslim?
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If they follow the tennets of their religion, they do.
 
Serenity said:
You didn't answer the question.

Those are repulsive views, I'm sure most reasonable people will agree with that. That is no way would automatically mean that someone should be extremely anti-muslim. I'm not a bigot who paints everyone with the same brush. Are you?
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No. I was pointing out that gay is generally not welcome among islanic practitioners.
 
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