Is Transgenderism a choice?

X Factor said:

I, personally, feel the question regarding homosexuality is settled. It isn’t a choice any more than being hetero is. I’m not as sure with regard to being trans. From my extremely limited perspective, there seems to be a lot of choice involved but I don’t think people undertake changing their physical gender lightly. Can this even be answered by a simple yes or no?

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Tan:
A trans person is choosing/has chosen to undergo the transformative process, but I don't think that's nature of choice about which you've asked.

I think what you're asking is whether a person's "at-birth brain wiring," anatomy and physiology can indeed be sexually contradictory such that one's brain is wired to sex A and one's genitals and other body parts comport with sex B. I hope I'm right, for that's the quandary to which I've in this post responded.


Red:
Like you I don't know whether the incongruity between a trans person's anatomy and his/her mental comprehension of his/her sex is uncontrollable.

Regarding hetero-/homosexuality, I'm not vexed over how and why neither is a choice. Lord knows having for my whole life been a "gym rat" and partier, it's not as though hot guys hadn't offered the opportunity to explore the "dickly" way, and when that happens, one sooner or later thinks about it on some level. For me, it came down to:

1. Do I feel more emotionally inclined to bond emotionally with women or with men? --> Women --> That's it. I'm straight.
   • I can relate to guys. I know whether a guy is hot. I haven't ever felt, for lack of a better term, emotionally "into" a guy as I do with women.
     • With women, I want to make an emotional "connection" of some sort regardless of whether it becomes sexual and later a "pair bond," and I'm willing to invest in developing a relationship with certain women. When I meet a woman whom I'm "into," I may in a day or so think, "I'd like to hang out with her. I wonder what she's doing. If she's got no plans, I can think of something. If she's got plans in which she's willing to include me, I can be 'down' with it." I want to spend time with her and her body parts are as much as what I'm thinking about as is her personality.
     • With guys, if we connect, we do; if we don't, we don't. And how closely we connect is of no import to me prior to the friendship evolving. How long before I invest in the friendship? A long time. It's unlikely to be me initiating the effort to our becoming friends.
       
       With guys, the only time I'm reaching out to them is when I specifically need their contribution on something or I'm bored, none of my lady friends are free, and I want to do something that calls for company. At that point, it's a matter of which of my male friends or acquaintances might be free to do something to pass the time until later in the day when my lady friend is free. His body parts don't crossing my mind. Their maleness isn't why I interact with them.
2. Could I have sex with a dude? --> Maybe, IDK...But what the hell for when the only reason I'm even asking myself this question is because some VGL dude asked? --> That's it. I'm straight.
   • The notion of sex with a guy doesn't "weird me out." It's just that if it hasn't ever, via an internal notion of my own conception, crossed my as a thing I want to try/do; thus it's obviously not something I'm inclined to do.
   • "Try it; you might like it." --> Whether I like it is beside the point. I've tried all sorts of things I liked and never did again. Why? Because while they were fine and fun, they're not anything I'm "into." There's plenty of stuff I want to do and that there's not enough time and/or opportunity to do. Why would I occupy my time and energies doing something that I would otherwise never think of doing? I'm all for trying new things, but not new things that don't and never have interested me to do.

Just as that's my cognition about myself and the notions of homo-/heterosexuality, I understand how gay guys have similar innate notions over which they have no real control; thus I "get" how/why sexuality is not a choice.

Can I process any sort of ideas re: how transness feel? No! Unlike gayness -- I can conceive some notion of how it'd be similar to and different from heterosexuality -- I can't so much as conjure the vaguest notion re: transsexuality. As I told a drag queen who tried to inform me, "Intellectually, I understand what you're describing, but, no, I don't understand the thoughts and feelings you're trying to explain to me." Transsexuality is just one of those things I won't understand in any way other than in the abstract.

The best I can do is hear what such a person says and take their word for it. I don't struggle taking the person's word for it because when I say I'm straight, I expect others to take my word for it.

Transgender is an example of trying to make a fantasy become reality. Consider the Trump-Russian collusion narrative. There has been no evidence that this is real. Even Mueller is off on a tangent, doing a tax evasion case, that has nothing to do with Russia. Yet there are still many people who still believe this fantasy is real and are willing to rig the system to make it real. These are similar psychodynamics to transgender.

It may feel correct, based on one's disposition, and various personal and collective bias. It is a fantasy, that some hope is real, since it is felt it will bring relief from deeper level stresses, which may also be fantasy, that is thought to be reality. Transgender changes never bring that utopian fantasy alive because there is a detachment from hard reality that comes back to bite one.

Another parallel is religion. Many people have a very strong faith in their religion. The atheist will say there is no proof of the existence of God. They assume religion is a fantasy attempting to become reality. It tries to change the inner and outer world, into its own image. Does this parallel means there is a religion gene or genes? Transgender is a type of pseudo-religion affect which cannot be favored by the state. One has right to practice the transgender faith, but at one's own expense or via charity. The state has to stay out of it.

A religious person, like a Christians, would like to have heaven on earth. The faithful alter their own behavior and then preach to other in to attempt to make the outer world be more heavenly. But hard reality is stubborn. It changes a little but also has blow back that adds pressure and tests faith.

Mortification of the flesh is an act by which an individual or group seeks to mortify, or put to death, their sinful nature, as a part of the process of sanctification.[1]

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This was common religious practice in the dark ages.

joko104 said:

You posted no facts. You posted slogans.

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Another claim that cant be supported LMAO if you feel that way i directly challenge you to prove it

here is my factual statment that you questioned

"A transgender person is transgender person no matter stage of transition or lack of one"

by all means prove this not a fact . . . thanks!

joko104 said:

Anarchy is a synonym for torture, rape and mass murder.

I thought your original message was an invitation for reasonable discussion in terms of reality. I do not care to involve in an absurd debate over whether anarchy is legitimate given what in reality it is an synonym for.

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You've been misinformed. Government is initiated force; anarchy is a lack of it. By the way, the things you described are some of the things your government does:

1) Your government tortures people when they cage them, threaten them with violence, apply violence, and interrogate them.
2) Your government endorses rape in their prison system, and commits the act when doing cavity searches.
3) Your government has already committed mass murder many times. They call it war.

People are not fruit flies but highly social and their interpersonal psychology is mostly developed by interaction with other people. Claiming otherwise is as a demeaning view of transgender as possible.

wellwisher said:

Transgender is an example of trying to make a fantasy become reality. Consider the Trump-Russian collusion narrative. There has been no evidence that this is real. Even Mueller is off on a tangent, doing a tax evasion case, that has nothing to do with Russia. Yet there are still many people who still believe this fantasy is real and are willing to rig the system to make it real. These are similar psychodynamics to transgender.

It may feel correct, based on one's disposition, and various personal and collective bias. It is a fantasy, that some hope is real, since it is felt it will bring relief from deeper level stresses, which may also be fantasy, that is thought to be reality. Transgender changes never bring that utopian fantasy alive because there is a detachment from hard reality that comes back to bite one.

Another parallel is religion. Many people have a very strong faith in their religion. The atheist will say there is no proof of the existence of God. They assume religion is a fantasy attempting to become reality. It tries to change the inner and outer world, into its own image. Does this parallel means there is a religion gene or genes? Transgender is a type of pseudo-religion affect which cannot be favored by the state. One has right to practice the transgender faith, but at one's own expense or via charity. The state has to stay out of it.

A religious person, like a Christians, would like to have heaven on earth. The faithful alter their own behavior and then preach to other in to attempt to make the outer world be more heavenly. But hard reality is stubborn. It changes a little but also has blow back that adds pressure and tests faith.

This was common religious practice in the dark ages.

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That's a terrible analogy. Let me ask you, what should someone suffering Gender dysphoria do?

Renae said:

That's a terrible analogy. Let me ask you, what should someone suffering Gender dysphoria do?

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It's a great analogy but in reverse. Denying the reality of gender dysphoria is like denying the fact that Trump is a corrupt piece of ****.

People confuse drag queens, cross-dressing fantasy, transgender and transsexual. Those are not the same. Drag queening is playful acting. Usually men and usually gay. Very few cross-dressers in limbido fantasy are transgender. Very few transgenders are transsexuals.

Gender dysphoria and sex dysphoria are not the same. Gender is strictly a social concept topical to the particular moment in a particular society. Sex dysphoria is related to a person's sex, not necessarily the person's gender.