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Pedophilia shouldn't be accepted; it hurts people!

CLAX1911 said:
there are people within the left side of politics that are Absolutly doing that. I'd say it's a fringe minority, and I hope that is the case.

I do see people on the right pushing the idea that homosexuality and pedophilia are congruent and this is just as wrong. I think that is also a fringe minority.
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That is not all that can be seen from the right.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/incest-and-necrophilia-should-be-legal-youth-swedish-liberal-peoples-party-a6891476.html
Incest between siblings and necrophilia should be legalised, a branch of the Swedish Liberal People's Party has argued.
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maquiscat said:
That's a name, not documentation.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings
Jazz Jennings (born October 6, 2000)[1] is an American YouTube personality, spokesmodel, television personality, and LGBT rights activist.[2][3] Jennings, a transgender teenage girl, is notable for being one of the youngest publicly documented people to be identified as transgender, and for being the youngest person to become a national transgender figure.
She had gender confirmation surgery in June 2018.


I won't be patting your ass anymore from here, grow up and learn to google..
 
ReMarx said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings
Jazz Jennings (born October 6, 2000)[1] is an American YouTube personality, spokesmodel, television personality, and LGBT rights activist.[2][3] Jennings, a transgender teenage girl, is notable for being one of the youngest publicly documented people to be identified as transgender, and for being the youngest person to become a national transgender figure.
She had gender confirmation surgery in June 2018.


I won't be patting your ass anymore from here, grow up and learn to google..
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First off, providing proof for your own assertions is not "patting [someone's] ass". It's basic debating. Grow up and learn how to support your own arguments properly.

Secondly, she was just shy of 18, which is an adult. For all intents and purposes she was an adult at that point, unless you are going to argue that people only magically change into adults on the day they were born and not a minute sooner.

I'll look into the article when I get home.

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maquiscat said:
First off, providing proof for your own assertions is not "patting [someone's] ass". It's basic debating. Grow up and learn how to support your own arguments properly.

Secondly, she was just shy of 18, which is an adult. For all intents and purposes she was an adult at that point, unless you are going to argue that people only magically change into adults on the day they were born and not a minute sooner.

I'll look into the article when I get home.

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I knew you'd say that!!

So you are in favor of lowering the legal age to what 17?

and then when someone a month under 17 does it it will be fine too and you will lower it to 16.

You are moving the target..


Even posting what you did, seriously, you didn't google the name?
 
soylentgreen said:
That is not all that can be seen from the right.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/incest-and-necrophilia-should-be-legal-youth-swedish-liberal-peoples-party-a6891476.html
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My point isn't that the right and the left are bad because of extremes my point is that extremes are not representative of the right and left. I think most people fall into a more Centrist category. That's why we kind of see this back and forth between Democrats and Republicans in various offices
 
ReMarx said:
I'm not quite that extreme of a leftist..
Even I can recognize that child puberty blocking hormone treatments and child transition surgeries are hurting children..

I may even say the young trans movement is hurting children more than a lower age of consent would..

They are litterally cutting young boys penises off because they identify as a girl, and you aren't doing anything about it..
Next the kiddies will just identify as 18 and their is your legal pedophilia..

I'm not for it but I see it coming
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those surgeries are not done on children. Your comments on puberty blockers are incorrect.
 
maquiscat said:
Pedophilia is a disorder, and in and of itself causes no harm to anyone unless acted upon. That is not to dismiss the harm to a child should it be acted upon. A non offending pedophile needs help to remain non offending. There should be no stigma to having this disorder. Acting upon it, yes. But not to having, recognizing and asking for help.

Additionally, pedophilia and child sexual assault are not the same. An individual does not have to have a sexual attraction to a child in order to commit child sexual assault.

Finally, for those idiots who want to try to equate it as such, pedophilia is not an action. Like homosexuality, one does not become such by performing such actions. One is either a pedophile or not. Offending or not is a separate distinction.

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Agreed, but one of the issues in play here is that the DSM now states it isn't a disorder if the pedophile doesn't feel any distress over these thoughts. IMO the lack of distress over sexual desire for children is more of a problem. Anyway, that shift was wrong. If you're sexually attracted to children, you have a mental disorder.
 
CLAX1911 said:
My point isn't that the right and the left are bad because of extremes my point is that extremes are not representative of the right and left. I think most people fall into a more Centrist category. That's why we kind of see this back and forth between Democrats and Republicans in various offices
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Agreed. The link i gave makes the point that that crowd is an extreme right wing branch of the liberal movement.

Just thought i would give a working example of just how extreme some of these politicals can be.
 
ReMarx said:
I knew you'd say that!!

So you are in favor of lowering the legal age to what 17?

and then when someone a month under 17 does it it will be fine too and you will lower it to 16.

You are moving the target..


Even posting what you did, seriously, you didn't google the name?
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You really need to start educating yourself on this topic.

All U.S. states set their (The age of consent ) limits between 16 and 18.
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I mean seriously!! Did you not even bother to google what the age of consent is in america?
 
soylentgreen said:
Agreed. The link i gave makes the point that that crowd is an extreme right wing branch of the liberal movement.

Just thought i would give a working example of just how extreme some of these politicals can be.
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Fair enough I'm sorry I must have just misunderstood what you posted.
 
ReMarx said:
I knew you'd say that!!

So you are in favor of lowering the legal age to what 17?

and then when someone a month under 17 does it it will be fine too and you will lower it to 16.

You are moving the target..


Even posting what you did, seriously, you didn't google the name?
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I never said that of was in favor of lowering the age of majority. I was noting the difference between the legal convenience and the reality that she is not a child. The idea here is whether or not an individual is capable of providing informed consent. It's not much different than our use of the Romeo and Juliet laws that makes a 17 yo and a 19 yo not Illegal.

When we talk about kids getting SRS what we are worried about is an actual child or young teen making a decision when they don't have the life experience to make a truely informed decision. Jazz does not fit under that category.

And no I didn't Google it, for a couple of reasons. First off, I was on the road and limited in my time. I make responses at stops and in the last post's case waiting for traffic to move after an accident. (No one hurt, just cars crashed such they blocked the road and had to be towed off.)

Secondly even if I had done so myself, I still would have insisted that you provide references to your assertions. You are the one asserting it, therefore it is your responsibility to document it, especially when asked. For I all know you got your information from a biased site. If your information had come from an anti-trans site, I could have then pointed that out and shown that that specific information was not vaild and/or accurate.

I will try to get to your other links today sometime. Tapatalk does not open up links in a browser, and I won't have access to my laptop to tonight maybe.

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Sasser said:
Agreed, but one of the issues in play here is that the DSM now states it isn't a disorder if the pedophile doesn't feel any distress over these thoughts. IMO the lack of distress over sexual desire for children is more of a problem. Anyway, that shift was wrong. If you're sexually attracted to children, you have a mental disorder.
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While I am in agreement that most of what we're disorders, should not be classified as such if they are not causing problems and anxiety within a person (ex: sadism and masochism and many other philias), if the condition is one that urges the individual to perform act that cause unconsented harm of some nature to others (ex: kleptomania), then yes it should be a disorder.

I think the shift you are thinking of might not be as all encompasing as you think. Do you have anything that shows that pedophilia is specifically included among those philias that had disorder removed as an automatic? When I have a chance, I will see if I can find out if it specifically remained a disorder, which I am sure it did.

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soylentgreen said:
You really need to start educating yourself on this topic.



I mean seriously!! Did you not even bother to google what the age of consent is in america?
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Age of consent laws are usually about sexual activity, and typically do not cover when it is legal for an individual to provide informed consent for medical procedures.

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enderpotato00 said:
Pedophiles hurt children, and should not be accepted. Your thoughts?
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There will always be outliers...but have you any evidence of any kind of significance acceptance for pedophilia? Every time it is brought up, there seems to be great opposition from most everybody.


Since you alluded to it before you edited your post, you must have some reason to believe it is gaining acceptance on some level.
 
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