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"Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

Sometimes the women want their men to take charge in the bedroom, but they are not capable.

These tend to be the same men who treat their wives like their mommies.

Women tend to tire of that.

So then it's still his fault.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

So then it's still his fault.

Yes, though I tend to have compassion for men who have been lied to their whole life about how to treat women but who never figured out that they have been lied to..."Threat her like a princess" is way too close to "Treat her like your mommy"....full up on docility.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

You realize the adultery was most past down from religion. So how do non-religious people find a rationale for complaining or being offended by adultery?

Religious mores and Puritanical sensibilities are still deeply engrained in our culture. Emotional reactions are hard to control and not always affected by reason.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

I have a degree in Psychology.

I only mention it because one paper I did was an overview of research into affairs. Research is a funny thing in psychology. You can't break out truth serum and rubber hoses, it's quite disappointing. (For those that are not familiar with my sense of humor, that's a joke, of sorts. How about LSD and a feather duster?)

Anyway... I got the feeling that, over the course of a long marriage, the odds of infidelity was very roughly 2 out of 3. That is admittedly a very rough estimate. But I sincerely doubt that it's less than 50%.

We're just human.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

The author did say that some of the people she spoke with had tried for a year or ten years to figure out a solution. I hope that included actually communicating.

That is what they told her. And some, maybe many, were honest or at least spoke what they felt was the truth. But not knowing the situation personally, we don't know how much effort they actually put into communicating.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

This is actually one reason I do believe that prostitution should be legal in the US. It can allow for men to have some place to go.

I have always loved the quote from the old lady in the movie "The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas",
Dora : My Frank, when he was alive, used to go up there every Saturday. I took it as a blessin'. Of course, things were different then. Nowadays women enjoy doin' that sort of thing themselves. At least, so I've been told.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083642/characters/nm0458560?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t68

I would say given the age of this movie/play that the idea that men could seek out a prostitute, approved by his wife, is not that new or farfetched. I would actually prefer this if it came to the point where I could not fulfill my husband's sexual needs, and just would hope that I could still fulfill his emotional/companionship needs. Of course, this would only be if prostitution were actually legal.

That all being said, I do think it is wrong to say that sex for all men or even most is a need like food or expelling waste that has to be met (and talking full sex here) every month or similar time frame. Sailors go months out to sea, many not having sex for that whole time, whether 1 month or 10 months. Soldiers and Marines can spend a year or longer on deployments. Some few will have sex, whether with women on the ship or base with them or in ports. Of course, some ships do not have women on them nor do they enter ports for up to 6 months. It really is a matter of self control. While it is important for a person's spouse to recognize their emotional and sexual needs, it is also important to discuss why and ways that you might be able to help the other if they are never in the mood (which could indicate a problem in itself). It is also important to recognize that it really isn't right to put your spouse at risk or risk hurting them emotionally to fulfill your sexual and/or emotional needs. If you love them, seriously sit down with them and have a serious conversation with them about your feelings and open up. Either they will eventually listen to you or they will leave you, but there would be a lot less hurt if you talk to them about it and tell them how you feel. Maybe even tell them that you are thinking about having an affair with someone else, because it has reached that level.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

Sometimes, it is the male who is insufficient. Slam, bam, thank you ma'am. Maybe more often than not.

"He never satisfied me."

I know a woman who went over a decade not having sex with her husband because of him. He had no sex drive (later found out why, which could in fact be something that needs to be discussed, being checked out for an actual physical problem if either spouse is that uninterested in sex but used to be). They had already had 5 children. She was the one trying to get him to have sex with her.

There could be physical, emotional, or mental issues involved in not wanting to have sex with your spouse or anyone. It could also be that one or both spouses fell out of love and are just comfortable living together. There are other explanations as well, which should involve actually talking to your spouse and not simply going "well he needs sex so I should just do it because I'm his wife". That is not really going to fix the problem.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

Sometimes the women want their men to take charge in the bedroom, but they are not capable.

These tend to be the same men who treat their wives like their mommies.

Women tend to tire of that.

That "sometimes" is the kicker. Anglo women expect men to read their mind. Life is much simpler when she wants the man to ALWAYS take charge.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

That "sometimes" is the kicker. Anglo women expect men to read their mind. Life is much simpler when she wants the man to ALWAYS take charge.

"Well if you really knew me then you would know what I want/need!".

My advice: Get to know what makes your woman tick.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER








There I go again, speaking heresy....
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

**** happens, but it shouldn't. If you want to play, have the balls to do it above board.



Just my 2 cents.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

Decent men and women have affairs all the time. It happens and usually both parties are to blame.

Why does there have to be "blame" ?
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

I didn't read the linked article to the end (it was too long) but I just want to add my two cents: I think it can be difficult to stay faithful to one person till the end of one's life. I mean, ours is a very large world, it's full of people, and sometimes, you are simply going to be attracted to some of them. Just because one is married it does not mean he stops being attracted to an attractive member of the opposite sex. In fact, I am starting to see why some folks are into polyamory. At first I was very put off by this concept but now I can at least understand why some people would want that.

Of course, I am not trying to find an excuse for people to cheat on their spouses. Of course it's stupid to risk losing a meaningful, beautiful marriage just for some fun in the bedroom. But if the wife constantly turns down sex, and the husband sees a woman he finds hot, and this woman also understands, loves and wants him...yeah. The temptation is going to be there.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

This article backs up what I've always thought. When someone cheats, it's almost always because they are getting something out of the cheating that they want or need and that their spouse isn't providing.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

For a lot of men it is "Why would I pass up steak that is throwing herself at me when all I have had for years is a rare hamburger at home?". Women very often refuse to put much if any effort into being good in bed, they need to expect their men to look elsewhere rather than suffer because of them.

That goes both ways ;)
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

I found this interesting:

https://www.mamamia.com.au/why-married-men-cheat/

I think it's bull****. Unless their is some medical and or mental condition, no one NEEDS to have sex with someone else. If you want physical release, you can help yourself. You may want it, and want it bad, but you will not die if you don't get it.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

This article backs up what I've always thought. When someone cheats, it's almost always because they are getting something out of the cheating that they want or need and that their spouse isn't providing.

And if getting something they want from someone else, then own it, and leave the relationship. If you are still in love with your spouse, you wouldn't hurt them like that.

I don't mean to bash the person who wants to have an affair. Just be honest and don't blame it on not getting what you want/need.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

And if getting something they want from someone else, then own it, and leave the relationship. If you are still in love with your spouse, you wouldn't hurt them like that.

I'm not saying cheating is the right response to not getting your needs met by your spouse. But pretending that people only cheat because they're bad people is just ignoring the reality of the situation and helps no one.

Just be honest and don't blame it on not getting what you want/need.

That's my point. Saying "I cheated because I wasn't getting what I need from my spouse" is being honest.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

As a man, I find this entirely nonsensical. This is just a failure to communicate. Find out what needs to be done to turn her on. Help her out so she's not so busy. Too many men(and some women) just think that because they're married they no longer have to put the effort in. Make time, have a date night, send the kids to sleep at a friends house.

Men don't need sex any more than women do. Your dick isn't going to fall off if you don't get it wet for a while. Rub one out if you have to, get yourself a good man cave, but don't act like this just something good men need to do. That's stupid.

I always found it funny that there are women out there that believe that if the man does something "wrong" (which is totally subjective most of the time) or if you want your man to do something then just "with holding sex" is something that NEEDS to be done and will get the man to comply with them every time. While that might be true for some men...its not true of others. When my wife and I first got together she tried that, and quickly realized that it would do her absolutely no good. I don't need sex from anyone. (That's what Rosie Palm and her five sisters are for if I'm THAT horny and she either won't give it up or is simply not in the mood) Why would I do something that I don't want to do just because she offers her body? I love her body and all but I don't NEED it. Give me a valid reason other than your body and I'll generally do what is asked of me. Just takes reason, not bribery. Hell, even the reasoning of "because you love me." is usually good enough for me.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

I guess that happens when one's sense of self is overblown.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

This is a confusing topic, with many confused and opinionated responses. For all of us, whether biological or cultural driven, our sexual mores are confusing. We confuse lust and love, tho they can go hand and hand, it isn't always the case, and probably rarely the case. Morals vs biological drives, prejudged vs programmed. No one is right, no one is wrong. Our sexual drives vary between us. We confuse sex with relationship and non-relationship power over others. We confuse signals and desires from out partners. We confuse what society says as opposed to what society does.

I recall a conversation with my grandfather during the late 60's, when he was well into his 80's and I barely entering my 20's. This was when the "free love" concept was first being touted among those of my generation. I was fascinated by this "new" sexual revolution. And so were my hormones. He said to me, "None of this is new. People have been screwing around since the dawn of mankind, sometimes talking about it more, some taking it for granted, sometimes obsessed with sex, sometimes not. But never think your own confusion is unique or anyone is truly moral. Everyone screws around during their youth, and if they are honest, throughout their lives no matter what they say."

I have no answers for anyone else, not even my own children when we discussed the various issues, and not now with my grandchildren when the topics surface. I've never been a saint or a monk. I view sex as a necessary activity for my own wholeness, as necessary as breathing for my health and pleasure, the latter also translating as mental health. I've been fortunate for sharing my life with two women consecutively with similar views to my own. No relationship is perfect, no sexual relationship is perfect.

I accepted long ago, whatever goes on between two consenting adults behind locked doors, is their own business and no one elses. And I rejected the artificial boundaries of age and so-called maturity. The real Romeo and Juliet were post pubescent teens, and represent a more accurate image of romance and sexual activity than our own societal extended adolescence, but on a cultural level, I find any and all pedophilia abhorrent. However, history is filled with May December romances and sexuality. There have been cultures where and when young boys learned from older women because that was the sexual prime biologically for both, and older men took young girls as new wives, because childbirth killed former wives and younger women or girls meant more babies. There have been cultures where a young woman had to prove her fertility before she could marry. There have been and are cultures where sexual activity is not viewed as moral and immoral, rather as normalized everyday activity for health or whatever reasons. The reasons are always justifiable in the context of the times and not for me to judge.

When Pompeii was first rediscovered and unearthed, one of the first reactions during that Victorian age, was to whitewash the walls, hiding the frescos of earthly delights, the seemingly pornographic imagery that was accepted by Romans as normal daily life, because Victorians found the depictions as offensive. Yet, for those of us who have examined the Victorian age and behaviors, we learned that the Victorians were obsessed with sex, but too embarrassed to be honest in public about their obsessions.

I've read the average sexual act in America lasts 2-3 minutes, yet literature tells us 20 minutes give or take. I must ask why we get so crazy over a few minutes or 20 minutes? I must ask why people can't distinguish between sexuality as opposed to sensuality, tho both may or may not be inclusive of the other? Don't think for a minute, I am not as confused as everyone else.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

For a lot of men it is "Why would I pass up steak that is throwing herself at me when all I have had for years is a rare hamburger at home?". Women very often refuse to put much if any effort into being good in bed, they need to expect their men to look elsewhere rather than suffer because of them.
I've heard that a lot, and it may just be a good argument, but isn't it just as true that unshaven and otherwise not very well groomed guys don't turn on the hamburger that just got done bathing and putting the kids to bed after doing the laundry and the dishes, while the steak has nothing better to do than looking for the right grill for sizzle?

Not all guys are like oldfatguy, who goes out of his way to play tarzan.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

I'm not saying cheating is the right response to not getting your needs met by your spouse. But pretending that people only cheat because they're bad people is just ignoring the reality of the situation and helps no one.



That's my point. Saying "I cheated because I wasn't getting what I need from my spouse" is being honest.

Cheating is a selfish act and not surprising in a society that is focused on self.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

I always found it funny that there are women out there that believe that if the man does something "wrong" (which is totally subjective most of the time) or if you want your man to do something then just "with holding sex" is something that NEEDS to be done and will get the man to comply with them every time.
Contrary to the popular belief of most misogynists, women don't withhold sex to get what they want. They're just not happy with you, and when they are angry with you they don't want to **** you.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

Contrary to the popular belief of most misogynists, women don't withhold sex to get what they want. They're just not happy with you, and when they are angry with you they don't want to **** you.

:roll: Love how you know every single woman out there and can tell me exactly why they do or don't do something. I've seen it happen both to other men and, like I said, at the beginning of my relationship where my wife flat out told me that she wasn't going to give me sex until I did something for her. I told her "OK" as I shrugged my shoulders, turned away and didn't do what she wanted me to do. You can consider me a misogynist all that you want. But that is not going to affect the truth of things.
 
Re: "Decent men have affairs all the time. I’m going to tell you why." - A woman's point of view

my wife flat out told me that she wasn't going to give me sex until I did something for her.

I feel this to be sort of like a form of coercion.
 
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