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How can love be wrong? [W:713]

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phattonez said:
Without procreation there is no sex.
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Utter nonsense.

Sexual congress does not end with age and natural infertility thereof. If anything, freedom from procreation means better and more satisfying sex. Sex is like breathing, it is an essential component of a healthy life.
 
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phattonez said:
Do you find lust to be a virtue? Do you think it is something that we should encourage in society?

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Virtue is irrelevant. Absolutely yes, we should encourage fulfilling, satisfying sexual and sensual activity between consenting adults, for pleasure and continued health. People with active sex lives live longer, healthier and happier lives.
 
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phattonez said:
Homosexuals cannot have children born of their barren union.

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Yup they can. The men produce sperm and they use a surrogate. A woman can use a sperm donor.

Both parents love the kid....are you implying that straight couples that adopt are 'lesser' families? Dont love their kids as much? Or dont love their step kids? Or that a blended family isnt a 'family?' Or just not one up to your standards?

And how does it matter anyway? Legally and morally, they are exactly the same and they are families. Who says the only 'good' families are the ones where both parents created the kids together?
 
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phattonez said:
Sorry, she's not their child. Their union is barren. They simply engaged in social engineering.

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Not legally and not morally. THeir union is perfectly happy AND productive and they provide a good home to a child who didnt have one.

Your rigid convoluted prejudices are not the law of the land and not even close to commonly held.
 
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phattonez said:
There are plenty of studies showing that kids do best when raised by their parents. We need to stop idealizing deficient situations.

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Gay parents are parents. Adoptive parents are parents. :doh
 
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TheParser said:
While surfing the TV channels yesterday, I came across Ellen, whose show I never watch.

She was showing a video of her and Portia vacationing on an island in the Pacific Ocean.

I forgot her political views (with which I disagree) when her gentle humor and apparent genuine love for Portia touched my heart.


*****

I find it so sad there are some people who would verbally or legally or even physically attack two women (or two men) who are fortunate enough to find their true love.
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Hear, hear!
 
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phattonez said:
That pleasurable feeling you have in your genitals isn't love. That's eros. Lust. It is in no way comparable to the love between a man and woman who through self-sacrifice give rise to children and raise them for many years. Calling the selfish mutual pleasure of homosexual sex (or non-procreative heterosexual sex) love is about the greatest insult you can give to one of humanity's highest aims.
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My mom passed away. My dad remarried. He and his new wife never intended to procreate nor did they. Are you saying if you're married and you never intend to procreate you can't have real love?
 
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phattonez said:
I've shown that sex exists for procreation, and stifling that end is akin to bulimia.

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You havent shown that it doesnt exist for other reasons too, like pleasure and bonding and building intimacy and making $.

Nor proved that any of those things is wrong.
 
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phattonez said:
1. Homosexual sex is by nature not going to be procreative. Without pleasure, they're not going to engage in it. It's fleeting.

2. I'm not tying it to just homosexuality. I'm tying it to hedonism in general.

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Sounds to me like someone hasn't been laid in awhile.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
That odd complusion you have to immediately and utterly out of context ascribe everything to genitals isn't rational. It bespeaks a certain obsession, and a very unhealthy one.

Oh, wait. You've publically admitted here that you've never had a blowjob.

Nevermind.
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I'm so old that before a woman blows me I take my teeth out!
 
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phattonez said:
This isn't an intellectual response.

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You have not provided one yet yourself.

Rigid biblical dogma is not 'intellectual discourse.'
 
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phattonez said:
There is always hope for the infertile to get pregnant. There is no such hope for homosexual sex.

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And so a 65 yr old woman that happens to get pregnant should be forced to have the baby if she's in fragile health or doenst want to have it?

(Yes, I know it's a rare occurrence. that's not the question.)
 
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phattonez said:
Do you find lust to be a virtue? Do you think it is something that we should encourage in society?

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Lust is the aspect of love that encourage a man and woman to have sex. So how can you especially consider lust 'bad?'

Do you think a man gets it up without 'lust?'

Otherwise, their marriage is just a loving friendship.
 
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Lursa said:
And so a 65 yr old woman that happens to get pregnant should be forced to have the baby if she's in fragile health or doenst want to have it?
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DON'T SAY SUCH THINGS! Now I'm afraid of jumping my wife's 55 year old bones. She's going to be really angry with you. Run! Run while you can! :rofl

Psst, she's really 56 and I'm not supposed to tell anyone. :doh
 
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phattonez said:
The unitive aspect of sex does not preempt the procreative. Without procreation there is no sex. There are other ways to unify.

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Thank you for telling me what the Catholic Church says but since they have a problem with Prosecuting child molesters and go through Great Lengths to protect them I'm not going to take them as a moral Authority.

It seems like they're devoid of morality if they defend one of the most heinous crimes.
 
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OldFatGuy said:
Utter nonsense.

Sexual congress does not end with age and natural infertility thereof. If anything, freedom from procreation means better and more satisfying sex. Sex is like breathing, it is an essential component of a healthy life.
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Keep in mind that better and more satisfying are subjective values, not objective ones. Freedom from procreation could mean less satisfying sex for some.

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Lursa said:
And so a 65 yr old woman that happens to get pregnant should be forced to have the baby if she's in fragile health or doenst want to have it?

(Yes, I know it's a rare occurrence. that's not the question.)
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Non sequitur. While I have no doubt that such is his stance, it was not mentiomed nor is it the topic of the debate.

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phattonez said:
That pleasurable feeling you have in your genitals isn't love. That's eros. Lust. It is in no way comparable to the love between a man and woman who through self-sacrifice give rise to children and raise them for many years. Calling the selfish mutual pleasure of homosexual sex (or non-procreative heterosexual sex) love is about the greatest insult you can give to one of humanity's highest aims.
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Just as in a heterosexual relationship, sex is a small part of a loving relationship. IOW, sex isn't love. Don't get that confused.
 
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maquiscat said:
Keep in mind that better and more satisfying are subjective values, not objective ones. Freedom from procreation could mean less satisfying sex for some.

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Having been on both sides of the equation, unequivocally NO.

When the added purpose is either procreation, or protection from procreation, introduction of unnecessary stress prevents increased pleasure.

I suggest your own inhibitions make for the possibility of recognizing and enjoying high quality sex impossible. Could you possibly do what I do, wear a gorilla costume, jump up and down on the bed with a handful of bananas shouting "Brace yourself, here I come," as part of the foreplay? Bananas are America's favorite fruit.
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
The OP was about love. You are trying to say that gays can only have a sexual relationship and cannot experience romantic love. That's a pile of arrogance and ignorance.:twocents:
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Right. It's so stupid. Like, I enjoy having sex with my girlfriend, but it's not everything. Nor do I want it to be.
 
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phattonez said:
The unitive aspect of sex does not preempt the procreative. Without procreation there is no sex. There are other ways to unify.

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LOL! What pathetic tripe.

There is plenty of sex w/out procreation.

Why are you frightened to death of sex amongst other people?
 
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OldFatGuy said:
Having been on both sides of the equation, unequivocally NO.

When the added purpose is either procreation, or protection from procreation, introduction of unnecessary stress prevents increased pleasure.

I suggest your own inhibitions make for the possibility of recognizing and enjoying high quality sex impossible. Could you possibly do what I do, wear a gorilla costume, jump up and down on the bed with a handful of bananas shouting "Brace yourself, here I come," as part of the foreplay? Bananas are America's favorite fruit.
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Dude, I am BDSM lifestyle, so I quite agree with your opinion. But that does stop me from recognizing that they are still opinions based upon subjective values.

Being that me and mine are not furries, the gorilla suit would do nothing for us. We'll happily stick with our electro-play and hot wax play. In our opinion that is what makes quality sex for us, while in your opinion, the gorilla suit and bananas make for quality sex for you and hopefully yours.

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What I have always liked about Ellen, other than being a native Texan, is the very real fact she is not an " in-your-face " gay person.
Who you have sex with does not give anyone any special right to be obnoxious. Nor should you make who you screw define who you are.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Right. It's so stupid. Like, I enjoy having sex with my girlfriend, but it's not everything. Nor do I want it to be.
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There are a lot like us out there. You and your girl, husband and I..., we don't plan our day around sex. If it happens, it happens, and it is good when the mood strikes. No one's business but ours.
 
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maquiscat said:
Non sequitur. While I have no doubt that such is his stance, it was not mentiomed nor is it the topic of the debate.

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It's completely on-topic.
 
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