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How can love be wrong? [W:713]

Re: How can love be wrong?

blarg said:
that may be so and cover non religious reasons but did they have good reasons for it?
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Good and bad as applied to reasons are subjective. The same reason that we see as a good one for allowing SSM might be seen a bad reason by others.

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maquiscat said:
Good and bad as applied to reasons are subjective. The same reason that we see as a good one for allowing SSM might be seen a bad reason by others.

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so yes and no then
 
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phattonez said:
That pleasurable feeling you have in your genitals isn't love. That's eros. Lust.
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So No sexual behavior is done out of love, only lust?

I feel sorry for your spouse.

It is in no way comparable to the love between a man and woman who through self-sacrifice give rise to children and raise them for many years.
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How would you know?

Calling the selfish mutual pleasure of homosexual sex (or non-procreative heterosexual sex) love is about the greatest insult you can give to one of humanity's highest aims.
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You clearly have no spouse.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
1: How would you know what they feel is fleeting? You don't.

2: Suicide has many reasons and causes. Tying it to homosexuality is showing a vast ignorance on the issue.
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Keep in mind you aren't talking to a person with ideas of his own. You are talking to an ideology. The person has been hollowed out and replaced with ideology. Told what to think and how to live.

I'm not saying religion or its ideology is a bad thing, it just should never be used as a replacement for ones self.
 
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Oceanborn said:
If self sacrifice is the only measure of love, most people have probably never experienced it. However, sexual orientation is only one aspect of a relationship. And focusing on the sexual act itself is a shallow world view of an extremely complicated topic.
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When you are asking the church (the Catholic church in this case) and you aren't asking a person. You are too sacrifice everything to the church. How do you think they managed to gain the power they did?
 
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phattonez said:
Who, exactly, are dying out?

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This modernist ideology that you're pushing is deadly. These are the results.
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We are dying out which is totally ridiculous.
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" Calling the selfish mutual pleasure of homosexual sex (or non-procreative heterosexual sex) love is about the greatest insult you can give to one of humanity's highest aims. "

Spot on !
Matter of fact your full response is right on the money. I don't want my nephews or my son on the way to really seeing all of this but sadly it's now here to stay. best thing for you and I to do is to explain and be careful.
 
Re: How can love be wrong?

phattonez said:
That pleasurable feeling you have in your genitals isn't love. That's eros. Lust. It is in no way comparable to the love between a man and woman who through self-sacrifice give rise to children and raise them for many years. Calling the selfish mutual pleasure of homosexual sex (or non-procreative heterosexual sex) love is about the greatest insult you can give to one of humanity's highest aims.
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Every animal on the planet has procreation as THE primary driver.

Love and compassion are human traits.

You would raise the procreation all animals partake in above the glory that is loving another person and being lived by them.
 
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phattonez said:
Creating and raising new life is one of the most selfless acts you can engage in. Talk to some parents and find out.

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The hindbrain is responsible, as it is in all mammals.

They are neurochmicallg rewarded for doing it. It is not selfless.
 
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phattonez said:
1. Homosexual sex is by nature not going to be procreative. Without pleasure, they're not going to engage in it. It's fleeting.

2. I'm not tying it to just homosexuality. I'm tying it to hedonism in general.

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Human being are one of two species where females are constantly sexually receptive.

Women don't come into "season".

Sexual intercourse is part of what binds the male to the female. If it didn't serve a purpose it wouldn't be that way.

Most unprotected sex doesn't result in children.
 
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phattonez said:
So their options are a very unnatural way to give birth, or infidelity and leaving a child an unstable home. These are good options?



Let's just give people a morphine drip to make them feel good until they die. Because hey, life is nothing but pleasure, so why not?
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In most families, love IS the "morphine" that gets people through this life.
 
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phattonez said:
Because there is no procreative aspect to it.



Sure there is. Do you think you can build a stable home for your children by chasing your own selfish desires? Do you not think it higher to seek after the good of your spouse and children? Do you think that you can successfully raise a child when you're interested in your own aspirations?
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So why were made different than the other animals?

Why can a woman have sex without being fertile at the time?

Is this another jahweh setup?

Why not make it like animals, thirty seconds six months after a birth?
 
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phattonez said:
What do you think homosexual couples do? Just gab all day?



Oh please. Yeah, and cohabitating couples are just living together. They're not having sex.
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You're jealous! Because you think gay people just **** all day!
 
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PTF said:
We are dying out which is totally ridiculous.
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" Calling the selfish mutual pleasure of homosexual sex (or non-procreative heterosexual sex) love is about the greatest insult you can give to one of humanity's highest aims. "

Spot on !
Matter of fact your full response is right on the money. I don't want my nephews or my son on the way to really seeing all of this but sadly it's now here to stay. best thing for you and I to do is to explain and be careful.
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You have a son on the way? What would you do if he were to be homosexual?
 
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PTF said:
We are dying out which is totally ridiculous.
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" Calling the selfish mutual pleasure of homosexual sex (or non-procreative heterosexual sex) love is about the greatest insult you can give to one of humanity's highest aims. "

Spot on !
Matter of fact your full response is right on the money. I don't want my nephews or my son on the way to really seeing all of this but sadly it's now here to stay. best thing for you and I to do is to explain and be careful.
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So given that you said "Spot on!" to non-procreative heterosexual sex, you are of the opinion that people who are sterile and women past the age of menopause should never ever have sex, correct?

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What if...? said:
You're jealous! Because you think gay people just **** all day!
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This isn't an intellectual response.

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What if...? said:
In most families, love IS the "morphine" that gets people through this life.
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And what's the difference between love and lust? Is one better than the other?

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maquiscat said:
So given that you said "Spot on!" to non-procreative heterosexual sex, you are of the opinion that people who are sterile and women past the age of menopause should never ever have sex, correct?

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There is always hope for the infertile to get pregnant. There is no such hope for homosexual sex.

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What if...? said:
Every animal on the planet has procreation as THE primary driver.

Love and compassion are human traits.

You would raise the procreation all animals partake in above the glory that is loving another person and being lived by them.
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The unitive aspect of sex does not preempt the procreative. Without procreation there is no sex. There are other ways to unify.

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OldFatGuy said:
Meh, love is blind. Everyone suffers from love. Give me good old lust any day. :)
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Do you find lust to be a virtue? Do you think it is something that we should encourage in society?

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PTF said:
We are dying out which is totally ridiculous.
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" Calling the selfish mutual pleasure of homosexual sex (or non-procreative heterosexual sex) love is about the greatest insult you can give to one of humanity's highest aims. "

Spot on !
Matter of fact your full response is right on the money. I don't want my nephews or my son on the way to really seeing all of this but sadly it's now here to stay. best thing for you and I to do is to explain and be careful.
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i guess the sex i have with my gf is not love in of itself true but it dosent seem to stop us from loving 1 another same with homosexual sex and you having sex with your spouse
 
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phattonez said:
There is always hope for the infertile to get pregnant. There is no such hope for homosexual sex.

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um not sure that's medically sound for a lot of people who can't or can no longer have kids

pretty sure your just trying to cover your own ass now that the doubles standard you have has been thoroughly explored no ones falling for it
 
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phattonez said:
The unitive aspect of sex does not preempt the procreative. Without procreation there is no sex. There are other ways to unify.

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great those both exist without conflict but you can have sex to bond with some one and it dosent need to lead to procreation or even have procreation be possible

what exactly is the problem with 2 people having sex out side of a hetero sexul marrage that thye hsould ignore what they want and do something else?
 
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phattonez said:
Do you find lust to be a virtue? Do you think it is something that we should encourage in society?

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its part of a lot of us no need to encourage it should be in control of it and that can be hard

but that doesn't mean it needs to be restricted they way you want it to be

and only a disgusting liar or a complete fool would accuse people of only having lust if they happen to be in same sex couple
 
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phattonez said:
There is always hope for the infertile to get pregnant. There is no such hope for homosexual sex.

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Exactly what hope is there for my sister who lost her uterus? Are you saying that she can't love since she can't have procreative sex?

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