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Do you believe that incest is justifiable?

I find it odd that anyone would be interested in incest; seems a bit sketchy to me
Exploring and discussing taboos allows us to take a hard look at them and determine if there is an actual basis to them or if they were just long standing mythical hoo-ha.

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I'm just curious to what your opinion is. To me (and probably 99.8% of people) incest is the worst crime, yes even worse than murder in many ways.
I assume by your wording that you are only speaking of consanguineous sexual relations. And yes for the record, there are several states where the laws include adopted and step relations as well as marriage even if sex doesn't take place.

There is also the context by which you mean justifiable. Individually, that can vary. Legally speaking, especially given our knowledge in this day and age, it is quite justifiable to allow it to be a legal activity.

Incest in and of itself is not something that causes harm, especially given how low the drive for it is. Yes a child can be harmed by having sex, but that harm occurs regardless of whether the attacker is related or not. This also holds true for rape between adults. There is also the concern for birth defects, but that is only a concern between fertile opposite sexed couples, thus making a specific subset of concern not the overall act of incest itself. And that is before we look at how low the actual chance for birth defects is for a one off. The main concern would be multi generation repeted inbreeding. The same pressure to keep things within a close family line does not exist today, and even then was more an issue among the nobility, which we effectively do not have anymore.



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I'm just curious to what your opinion is. To me (and probably 99.8% of people) incest is the worst crime, yes even worse than murder in many ways.

I think it's undesirable and unwise, but I'm not sure it should be a crime. Rules against it, however, are based (I think) on the high rate of birth defects that are produced when first-relatives mate.

But, if if no children are born to an incestuous couple, I don't care what they do. I only care when it affects an innocent human being.
 
Exploring and discussing taboos allows us to take a hard look at them and determine if there is an actual basis to them or if they were just long standing mythical hoo-ha.

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well, that is fine for others but for myself; I have absolutely ZERO interest in being sexually involved with anyone I am related to.

Everyone else? Knock yourselves out ...........
 
well, that is fine for others but for myself; I have absolutely ZERO interest in being sexually involved with anyone I am related to.

Everyone else? Knock yourselves out ...........
When discussing things like this, it is not necessarily about what you want. I personally might not want to be in an interracial or same sex marriage, but I can still discuss the merits for and against allowing it in society or by law.

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I'm just curious to what your opinion is. To me (and probably 99.8% of people) incest is the worst crime, yes even worse than murder in many ways.

Well id bet anything you are factually wrong when you claim 99.8% i bet its not even 20% that think its worse than murder LMAO

anyway maybe you arent being specific enough and arent educated on what incest actually is?
are you talking about incest? two people who are related having consensual sex? thats incest

or are you talking about child rape involving a relative, that is incest but the crime is child rape
or are you talking about adult rape involving a relative, that is incest but again the crime is rape
or are you taking about having kids that came from incest. that is NOT incest at all but is inbreeding

anyway, i have zero problems with incest legality wise, two consenting adults having sex is thier business. the rest i pointed out are already crimes. As for inbreeding well where there is scientific evidence against it for the interest of the child id support that being regulated (but how) if science said there is no real evidence for it unless its done over and over then again none of my business.
 
I think the taboo against incest is that any child born of an incestuous relationship might be deformed. However, this would only happen if both parties carried deleterious genes. If incest happens between two people that have super-good genes, then the resultant child could have awesome genes.

Have we not read the story of how Adonis was born? He was born from a daughter tricking her father into having sex with her. You see, her father was so fine that the daughter lusted after him. And since he was hot, the girl, being his child, must have been hot, too. And when you have two very hot people procreating, the result is Adonis. Therefore, incest can sometimes be good.

When you breed for one trait, you wind up breeding out other, possibly desirable traits. That's why breeders have ruined so many dog breeds. When you breed for beauty, you're likely to get beautiful and stupid.
 
When you breed for one trait, you wind up breeding out other, possibly desirable traits. That's why breeders have ruined so many dog breeds. When you breed for beauty, you're likely to get beautiful and stupid.

My point was not that we should breed for beauty. It was that it is possible to have desirable outcome for incestuous procreation. If the parties involved have few (or none) bad genes, then it's possible that the offspring will turn out healthy and normal.
 
You just made an unfounded assumption. You assumed that incest between parent and offspring would happen when the offspring is still a minor. Or at least by jumping from siblings to minors, you left that impression.

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Well forgive the oversight, it's still sick.
 
My point was not that we should breed for beauty. It was that it is possible to have desirable outcome for incestuous procreation. If the parties involved have few (or none) bad genes, then it's possible that the offspring will turn out healthy and normal.

Genes are sneaky bastards. The recessive ones hide out and pop up when you least expect them.
 
Genes are sneaky bastards. The recessive ones hide out and pop up when you least expect them.

True; however, it is possible that an incestuous couple do not have any recessive, bad genes. Their baby would most likely to be healthy.
 
True; however, it is possible that an incestuous couple do not have any recessive, bad genes. Their baby would most likely to be healthy.

First cousins are preferred mates in many tribal societies. By and large it seems to work well. Now that we've mapped the human genome it might be that we can clear people to go for consanguineous mating. I really have no problem with that as long as it's not genetically dangerous and the liaison is between truly consenting adults.
 
No disagreement.
 
I'm just curious to what your opinion is. To me (and probably 99.8% of people) incest is the worst crime, yes even worse than murder in many ways.

First off, kids produced by incest are as much at risk of genetic disorder as kids from women in their 40s. Also, if there are no children then there are no genetic consequences at all. However I do see incest involving non-consenting adults as very wrong especially when there is an adult involved and incest is often the product of something very wrong with the people and the family. What is interesting is that if two sibilings are separated at birth there are many cases where they will fall in love when they meet as adults.

Here is an interesting documentary about it:
 
I'm just curious to what your opinion is. To me (and probably 99.8% of people) incest is the worst crime, yes even worse than murder in many ways.
I'm presuming you're referring to sexual abuse of a child by a family member, as opposed to primitive practices such as marrying your first cousin?
 
First off, kids produced by incest are as much at risk of genetic disorder as kids from women in their 40s. Also, if there are no children then there are no genetic consequences at all. However I do see incest involving non-consenting adults as very wrong especially when there is an adult involved and incest is often the product of something very wrong with the people and the family. What is interesting is that if two sibilings are separated at birth there are many cases where they will fall in love when they meet as adults.

Here is an interesting documentary about it:
I'd first argue that the rather 'inbred' arguments above that aren't really worth addressing (since I doubt that many outside of a drug-ridden trailer park would spend their time and energy thinking much about incest to begin with, let alone pretend that such an evolutionarily ineffectual fancy or quaint notion of "rights" would ever be considered by civilized societies).

Second, I'd dispel the quaint notion of "love" having to do with it as being a childish sentiment, given that in the case of most matings, human or lesser - it's motivated merely by mere survival functions, and that "love" is out of reach for many so-called "married" couples to begin with, blood-related or not.

My understanding is that incestuous behaviors in less evolved species tend to be a "last resort" measure in the case of not being able to find a stable mate, and it being a desperation measure - so I'd assume those unfortunate factors would play a role in its occurrence in the human species as well, which is why it's often associated with "backwoods" aspects of society in which there simply aren't many mates to choose from to begin with, or other odd cases in which no more suitable mate can be found...

Either way, it seems to be an evolutionary step backward rather than forward.
 
First off, kids produced by incest are as much at risk of genetic disorder as kids from women in their 40s.

This is only partly true. This becomes completely true when you specify when the consanguineous mating is the first within 5 generations or more. repeated consanguineous matings producing children increase the odds of genetic disorders/birth defects almost exponentially

However I do see incest involving non-consenting adults as very wrong especially when there is an adult involved and incest is often the product of something very wrong with the people and the family.

Did you mean something else? Non consenting adults are a problem whether there is a blood relation or not.
 
I'm presuming you're referring to sexual abuse of a child by a family member, as opposed to primitive practices such as marrying your first cousin?

This is part of the problem. The automatic assumption that incest would be sexual abuse. It has been noted several times that siblings separated at birth have met and fallen in love not knowing of their blood relationship. No sexual abuse there.

When it comes down to it, child sexual abuse is wrong, whether or not there is a blood relationship. Incest simply doesn't enter into it.
 
Sexual intercourse between a teenage girl and her brother or father is often exploitative and coerced, even when it may appear to the brother or father that it is consensual. That sort of thing frequently leaves emotional scars.

I am unwilling to condemn incest between consenting adults when the woman takes the initiative, but it still feels wrong to me. That is because the incest taboo is instinctive.
 
I'm just curious to what your opinion is. To me (and probably 99.8% of people) incest is the worst crime, yes even worse than murder in many ways.

I didn't really understand this question upon first reading it because I couldn't figure out what you mean by justifiable.

I would go as far as saying no or at least very few sexual acts are justifiable.

That was my confusion, I don't enguage in a sec act because it's justified. I do it out of desire and with only willing participants.

I think you should have asked if it was acceptable. To wit of say no.
 
Incest leads to evolutionary dead ends, and therefor is not justifiable for us as a species.

The recent popularity of it showing up in mainstream shows, and more widely as fauxcest porn has more to do with humans being attracted to taboo things, than an inborn drive to mate with family members.

Humans have gone through a number of taboos over the centuries. Some making more sense than others. Some normalize, because they are not wrong or bad and are the products of ignorance. Like Inter racial relationships.

Others stay taboo and are forever relegated to the category of shameful, like Vore and Scat.

Incest has fallen somewhere in between, for most of human history. Even the bible speaks of a man's daughters worrying about him not having any heirs to carry on his name, knowing he wouldn't accept their advances, they plied him with wine into a stupor and impregnated themselves.

It's just one of those weird things about the human psyche. Soon as you say, don't do this, some people are going to say, well, now I really want to do that. Doesn't mean it's justified to do it. As I said in my opening line, incest leads to evolutionary dead ends. Nothing justifies messing up our own ongoing evolution. Nothing.
 
I'm just curious to what your opinion is. To me (and probably 99.8% of people) incest is the worst crime, yes even worse than murder in many ways.

Not justifiable unless everybody involved is above 18
 
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