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A wife attempts to publicly shame her successful husband into minimum wage tasks

Lursa said:
If he went into a marriage believing that holding up his end of ALL that a marriage entails...sure that's his fault. And why is it expected that the woman, who is also probably working, probably also doing most of the child-rearing, should be doing the 'menial labor?'

If he believed that a marriage entailed only providing some or all the income (does the wife work too?) then I'd hope both parties agreed on that beforehand.

But it's dishonest to believe that people marry based on that alone.
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If a couple together earning 300K per year can't afford to hire someone to do menial work, there's deeper issues afoot.
 
SDET said:
Then I guess that the dishes sit there and mold until someone washes them or hires someone to wash them. It's the unstoppable force vs immovable object kind of thing.
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It doesnt answer the question of why one should do them moreso than the other.

Why?
 
Lursa said:
It doesnt answer the question of why one should do them moreso than the other.

Why?
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Which one do you suppose has a lower tolerance for molding dirty dishes?
 
SDET said:
If a couple together earning 300K per year can't afford to hire someone to do menial work, there's deeper issues afoot.
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That's a ridiculous attempt to get out of this.

It doenst have to be that much $. In your scenario, the man could just be making 'more' than the wife and your claims would apply the same...but that does not mean that their combined salaries WOULD have discretionary income for paid help.

You're avoiding supporting the real point of your argument...but it's no surprise why. It's certainly no moral High Ground.
 
SDET said:
Which one do you suppose has a lower tolerance for molding dirty dishes?
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How does that have anything to do with your claim that men shouldnt have to do that 'menial labor' if they are making more $ than the wife?
 
Winchester said:
Dammit woman, don't you know your place. :2razz:
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It's kind of shocking. Based on this thread and the recent threads on men proposing ways to avoid paying child support there may be a substantial pool of men out there that think this way.

THey're trying to legitimize some victim status for men...and it looks pretty ignoble...embarrassing even. Like men have no ability to look ahead or make good decisions or accept accountability for those decisions. SDET did imply that it was related to being led by their cocks tho.

SDET said:
It's called being blinded by vagina!
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Jeebus....can you manage yourselves in your own best interests or not?
 
Lursa said:
How does that have anything to do with your claim that men shouldnt have to do that 'menial labor' if they are making more $ than the wife?
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There's another term for forced labor: slavery. My previous reply explains what happens if both the husband and wife dig in their heels and refuse to do dishes.
 
gdgyva said:
if you never lived together and discussed chores before marriage...it is a easy place for problems to start

4 key areas for marital issues

1. money
2. chores
3. kids
4. sex

and all can be made better with communication BEFORE you get married....my wife knew i wasnt going to be a HUGE help around the house, but was willing to foot the bill for the maid....i do my own laundry, and help with a few other odds and ends....it is enough for her

For another couple, maybe not good enough. It has to be discussed....and "most" guys arent going to volunteer for household chores. They will do when necessary, but we would much rather spend our time and resources doing other things.

There are exceptions to that rule....that why i said MOST. Household duties are a daily grind....

As far as parameters....yes, we set them for a lot of things BEFORE we got married....like NEVER going to bed MAD at each other, even if that means spending all night talking through an issue. You would be surprised at the number of things we agreed upon beforehand....and have kept to....maybe that makes us boring to some....so be it....it works for us
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Sounds great for you and your wife, but like I said before - this thread is not for people like you, who help. It's for people who refuse to do "woman's work," because they have to work outside the house all day.

And in a perfect world, all parameters would be set before marriage, but quite frankly, I don't know many people who plan out their sex lives for years in advance, or who is going to be doing the laundry the 3rd Saturday of August in 2022.

Marriage is (or should be) fluid. Things change. People change. A healthy marriage should be able to change, too. I am not the person my husband married 22 years ago, and neither is he. If we were, I'd still be eating cold Spaghettios out of a can, and he'd be washing towels with black clothes.
 
Lursa said:
It's kind of shocking. Based on this thread and the recent threads on men proposing ways to avoid paying child support there may be a substantial pool of men out there that think this way.

THey're trying to legitimize some victim status for men...and it looks pretty ignoble...embarrassing even. Like men have no ability to look ahead or make good decisions or accept accountability for those decisions. SDET did imply that it was related to being led by their cocks tho.



Jeebus....can you manage yourselves in your own best interests or not?
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Can you tell me with a straight face that women don't take full advantage of that?
 
Superfly said:
That's not what she asked you.

Stop answering a question with another question. Man up and answer her question.
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My answer to the question is this: It's wrong to badger men into doing menial work when they are contributing 100K+ to the household. It's a surefire way to get a man to prepay the kids educations so there's no money left to snag, then get kicked to the curb when the kids turn 18.
 
Winchester said:
There is always a balance between trying to keep each other happy and just letting things go that really don't matter. Pet peevish things like putting one's laundry in the laundry basket. :2razz:
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So you don't think it's rude to toss a towel two feet from the basket? If I do 4 loads of laundry every week, washing, drying, folding, and putting away - is it too much to ask to just make sure that wet towels don't land on carpet?

To me, that is not petty. It's extremely inconsiderate towards the person trying to keep the house clean.
 
SDET said:
It's called being blinded by vagina! Once a child is born, many men have no free will. Only a man who is aware of the risks and mitigates them at every turn gets to keep some free will.
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Those men often claim to be "Incels", but are better described as junk male.
 
SDET said:
Held accountable doesn't mean abject slavery. If a man puts in the effort and has the instincts to pull down 100K, 150K, 200K, he certainly shouldn't be badgered into menial labor.
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And what if she pulls down the same? Should she be badgered into menial labor?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Those men often claim to be "Incels", but are better described as junk male.
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A man blinded by vagina is the exact opposite of an incel. They kiss azz to get a piece of azz. That is unless a guy is senseless enough to get friendzoned where he makes all the sacrifices in hopes of a benefit that never materializes.
 
SDET said:
My answer to the question is this: It's wrong to badger men into doing menial work when they are contributing 100K+ to the household. It's a surefire way to get a man to prepay the kids educations so there's no money left to snag, then get kicked to the curb when the kids turn 18.
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:lol: Wow, you are bitter.

OK what if the man makes $30K and she makes $20K? Is she still responsible for doing "menial labor?"

You seem to be hung up on six-figure incomes. What about lower incomes?
 
Superfly said:
And what if she pulls down the same? Should she be badgered into menial labor?
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Then it becomes a contest over who has a lower tolerance of moldy dishes. However, if he uses the vacation money to hire a housekeeper, she will likely go postal on him.
 
Superfly said:
:lol: Wow, you are bitter.

OK what if the man makes $30K and she makes $20K? Is she still responsible for doing "menial labor?"

You seem to be hung up on six-figure incomes. What about lower incomes?
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Perhaps someone who makes a low income is fit for menial labor.
 
SDET said:
A man blinded by vagina is the exact opposite of an incel. They kiss azz to get a piece of azz. That is unless a guy is senseless enough to get friendzoned where he makes all the sacrifices in hopes of a benefit that never materializes.
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Then you don't need a serious relationship, because most women are going to lose patience with you in pretty short order.

You need a call girl.

I also have to say that while it's hard to take you seriously, this whole "blinded by vagina" business is ****ing hilarious.

You should hear yourself.
 
Superfly said:
Then you don't need a serious relationship, because most women are going to lose patience with you in pretty short order.

You need a call girl.
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A man doesn't need most women; he only needs one. There are plenty of ambitionless women who will stay home and be taken care of in exchange for a few chores. A high school dropout can clean and take care of kids.
 
Superfly said:
You didn't answer my question.

Stop dodging. If a man makes $30K and the woman makes $20K, is she still responsible for menial labor?
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That's a tough one. While it's tempting to answer "yes", a man that makes only $30K is probably already doing menial labor, so what difference does a bit more make?
 
SDET said:
That's a tough one. While it's tempting to answer "yes", a man that makes only $30K is probably already doing menial labor, so what difference does a bit more make?
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So you only think wealthy men shouldn't do menial labor, bu wealthy women should?

Why is that?
 
SDET said:
A man doesn't need most women; he only needs one. There are plenty of ambitionless women who will stay home and be taken care of in exchange for a few chores. A high school dropout can clean and take care of kids.
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So basically you want a slug who will do nothing but keep a clean house and be your "beck and call" girl.

As I said before, you don't need a wife. You need a call girl and a maid.
 
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