• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

U.S. rolls back protections for transgender prison inmates

JacksinPA

JacksinPA

Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Dec 3, 2017
Messages
26,290
Reaction score
16,771
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-for-transgender-prison-inmates-idUSKCN1ID0O3

(Reuters) - The Trump administration has rolled back protections for transgender prison inmates introduced under former President Barack Obama after some prisoners challenged the policies in court.

An inmate’s biological sex will now be used to make the initial decision as to where transgender prisoners are housed, instead of the gender to which they identify, according to a change in guidelines announced on Friday by the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.
=============================
Trump continues to undo everything set in place by Obama regardless of the consequences.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-for-transgender-prison-inmates-idUSKCN1ID0O3

(Reuters) - The Trump administration has rolled back protections for transgender prison inmates introduced under former President Barack Obama after some prisoners challenged the policies in court.

An inmate’s biological sex will now be used to make the initial decision as to where transgender prisoners are housed, instead of the gender to which they identify, according to a change in guidelines announced on Friday by the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.
=============================
Trump continues to undo everything set in place by Obama regardless of the consequences.
Click to expand...



He did say he would.

As a massive social experiment I am fascinated. And wish I were an American lawyer...we KNOW this is going back to court.

BTW heard on the radio the other day that the Muslim ban is again being declared unconstitutional and more trials lay ahead.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-for-transgender-prison-inmates-idUSKCN1ID0O3

(Reuters) - The Trump administration has rolled back protections for transgender prison inmates introduced under former President Barack Obama after some prisoners challenged the policies in court.

An inmate’s biological sex will now be used to make the initial decision as to where transgender prisoners are housed, instead of the gender to which they identify, according to a change in guidelines announced on Friday by the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.
=============================
Trump continues to undo everything set in place by Obama regardless of the consequences.
Click to expand...

Trump believes rightly that Obama's judgment is so bad that all of his work was likely wrong.

I dont dispute this, but having each PResident and each Congress setting out to nullify what the last one did causes grave harm to the nation.

Obama is greatly to blame here, his unwillingness to do the heavy lifting to get things done through proper channels and with some consensus from the nation was always a known bad idea.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-for-transgender-prison-inmates-idUSKCN1ID0O3

(Reuters) - The Trump administration has rolled back protections for transgender prison inmates introduced under former President Barack Obama after some prisoners challenged the policies in court.

An inmate’s biological sex will now be used to make the initial decision as to where transgender prisoners are housed, instead of the gender to which they identify, according to a change in guidelines announced on Friday by the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.
=============================
Trump continues to undo everything set in place by Obama regardless of the consequences.
Click to expand...

Just one more land mine set by Obama and here is why. If Obama was so concerned about this WHY did it go into effect 2 days before Trumps inauguration? Four female inmates in Texas sued in Federal court saying that the Obama regulations would put them at risk if they had to share facilities with transgendered inmates.
So just one more jam Trump Thread..............


As president, Mr Obama introduced the changes to try to help prevent transgender prisoners from being harassed, assaulted and abused. They took effect just two days before Donald Trump's inauguration in January last year.

The move, criticised by transgender-rights campaigners, comes after four women held at a Texas detention centre filed a lawsuit arguing that the Obama-era guidelines would put them at greater risk of rape if they had to share facilities with transgender women.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-transgender-prisons-jails-rules-protections-reversed-obama-bathrooms-a8348916.html
 
Inmates who have a penis go to the prison/s for men. Makes sense to me.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-for-transgender-prison-inmates-idUSKCN1ID0O3

(Reuters) - The Trump administration has rolled back protections for transgender prison inmates introduced under former President Barack Obama after some prisoners challenged the policies in court.

An inmate’s biological sex will now be used to make the initial decision as to where transgender prisoners are housed, instead of the gender to which they identify, according to a change in guidelines announced on Friday by the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.
=============================
Trump continues to undo everything set in place by Obama regardless of the consequences.
Click to expand...

You shouldn't be able to be locked up with the women if you're a dude and your dude if you have a penis. If you want to be transgender you should have thought about that before you committed crime.
 
Men are men...

Women are women...

What they feel that they are is irrelevant.
 
Fearandloathing said:
He did say he would.

As a massive social experiment I am fascinated. And wish I were an American lawyer...we KNOW this is going back to court.

BTW heard on the radio the other day that the Muslim ban is again being declared unconstitutional and more trials lay ahead.
Click to expand...

except it is not a Muslim ban.
If you are a Muslim from India, Indonesia, the PI, or Egypt, and many other places, you are welcome.
 
Last edited:
The left promotes Evolution over Creationism within schools. Let us look at transgender in terms of evolutionary theory. If your body is a functional male but your mind thinks you are a female, you can never reproduce. Your mind will mix and match the wrong sexes, not allowing reproduction. This default scenario is not consistent with the path suggested by evolution theory. Even if a behavior has selective advantages, in this scenario, there is no way to perpetuate itself, biologically and genetically. It is designed by evolution, to be nipped in the bud; one hit wonder.

Transgender actually is more consistent with a variation of creationism, since its perpetuation through generations has little to do with biological transmission and evolution. It is transferred via the mind and the imagination.

We create our own reality, in terms of how we wish to view reality. The glass can be half full or the glass can be half empty. Transgender is an example of human creationism, via perception of its own reality.

If you look at the Creation story of Adam and Eve, Adam is created from the dust of the earth and Eve is created from one of Adam's ribs. Neither of these are based on known biological mechanisms. Although, Eve from Adam's rib may be an advanced cloning technique that uses the white blood cells within rib bones. That aside, both mechanisms are put together using a type of intellectual procedure; mind of God instead of biological. Transgender is consistent with an ego-centric creationism, that is not consistent with the natural biological paths of evolution.

A young child will often have play fantasies, such as being an animal, like a dog or cat. Biologically, the child does not have the DNA of a dog or cat. This play does not require the child have these genes. Even if the child does a good rendition of being a cat or dog, they can never breed with cats or dogs. This path is not connected to evolution.

However, the child has an imagination which allows them to generate/copy behavior. Their imagination helps them create this playtime reality that is detached from their DNA and from evolution. This type of creationism is human, and does not need to have the proper biological foundation to make it fun and effective. The same arguments can be made for transgender and homosexuality. It is a type of human creationism.

The way this happens is connected to the personality firmware. The brain has two centers of consciousness; ego and inner self. The ego is the center of the conscious mind and the inner self is the center of the unconscious mind. Between these two centers are many layers of personalty firmware. The personality firmware define human nature. The inner self is connected to the biology of the body; biggest picture, and uses the firmware as hats, for different tasks.

In human creationism, the inner self is sending natural signals toward the ego; conscious arousal and awareness. These signals are commandeered by aspects of the firmware, to create what appears to be a new unconscious center. This apparent center creates the conviction that it comes from the inner self, since the signal does originate from the inner self; heart felt. However, the data processing is using a subroutine, connected to the firmware but it is not exactly the operating system, behind the inner self.

In terms of a computer analogy, say you are running Windows. The operating system is working in the background playing videos. The operating system is using software and hardware resources. Next, I place a virus type subroutine in the mixture, so the signals from the operating system are intercepted, and modified by the subroutine. It still plays the video and uses the resources, but the virus screws with the color balance and the contrast. If you are not aware this is a virus, you may think the video output, uses these settings ,and that the operating system is working fine. There is no apparent reason to tweak the color or contrast. You watch the video and accept as is.

The inner self is connected to the biological unity of the cells of the body. It has is own agenda connected to evolution. The subroutine has a different agenda, connected to willower and choice. One can choose to accept the new reality of color and contrast, until it becomes the way you think. In that respect, transgender and homosexuality shows us what is possible, as a function of which firmware has the subroutine. This can impact perception of reality; contrast and color, and therefore how we react to reality. It does not have to be hardware to work.
 
The personality firmware are empty at birth. As such, the personality firmware begin, analogous to seeds, at birth. As an analogy, the tomato seed has the genetic potential to form an entire plant with all its characteristic leaves and fruit. After the child is born, the firmware seeds sprout and grow. Like planting a vegetable seed, the growth of the seed into an adult plant is not just dependent on the internal genetic potential of the seeds. It is also dependent on environmental potentials. Variables like water, sun, soil type, pH, nutrients, mold, bugs, time of year, rocks, etc., can impact the final plant. A person with a green thumb or black thumb can have different results from the same pack of seeds; nature and nurture.

The natural growth of the firmware seeds creates our natural learning potential. The unfolding of the firmware seed toward larger plants anticipates and absorbs from the environment. The roots spread out in advance in search of water, and when water is found, it assimilates into the plant; the firmware seeks and eat to progress. Young children have a very high learning potential, due to the rapid firmware seed growth. The firmware behind language can absorb words, with ease, since the firmware is designed to assimilate this food.

The imaginary play of the child has a connection to firmware development and the resultant learning potential. The imagination is an internal generation of data, that will be used by the firmware, as part of the substance for its development. The firmware is designed to customize, somewhat, to one's unique perception of reality.

The child's imaginary play is creating firmware food, internally, that helps to feed the firmware. An analogy for the imagination is the bioactivity within the soil. The bioactivity helps to break down bio-materials into compost. The plants cannot directly eat biomass but need the compost, for the plant to assimilate.

The imagination composts intellectual and emotional biomass to make nutrients available to the firmware seeds. As with growing plants, the needs of the plant will change as the plant changes from vegetive growth, to fruiting. At fruiting, it needs less nitrogen and more phosphorous. This is where the imagination needs to shift gears, to compost biomass materials richer in the new needs. This is often where things can go wrong; happy child but much less happy teenager.

It is complex process and there are many pitfalls along the way, some of which are not easy to escape; physical, social, cultural, emotional, intellectual and spiritual environments may or may not all be healthy. Our uniqueness as humans, in light of collective human propensities; firmware, shows the impact of the internal composing environments. This makes us unique in light of these environments. A problem can appear if we feed the cucumbers too much tomato food. The brain does to come with an owners manual. This is why we need to have compassion for each other. But we also need to stay in contact with reality since the firmware will absorb all types of things it does not need.
 
All things aside, it bugs me how the President is now more like a monarch du jour who can undo all the work of his predecessor with the stroke of a pen, with no respect for continuity, historical reasoning, or political discourse. It could be based on personal opinion and no other reason.

I guess the main way to fix that is to pass things through Congress, though we all know how well that works these days. Takes years if at all and you may have to suffer irrelevant corrupt laws being attached.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump believes rightly that Obama's judgment is so bad that all of his work was likely wrong.

I dont dispute this, but having each PResident and each Congress setting out to nullify what the last one did causes grave harm to the nation.

Obama is greatly to blame here, his unwillingness to do the heavy lifting to get things done through proper channels and with some consensus from the nation was always a known bad idea.
Click to expand...

BO is part of the political elite which always thinks they know better than the common man
 
PleasantValley said:
except it is not a Muslim ban.
If you are a Muslim from India, Indonesia, the PI, or Egypt, and many other places, you are welcome.
Click to expand...



OK. the logic is not sound as there is no ban on anyone else.

So your statement is entirely incorrect and more Trump ass kissing. "Muslim ban" is accurate, but not a full declaration, abreviated for convenience.

But the hair splitting is noted and added to the increasing **** heap of dishonesty in America steeped in the Trump administration.

I regret having interacted with you in the first place, such childish pettiness is insulting and a waste of my time.

good bye
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump believes rightly that Obama's judgment is so bad that all of his work was likely wrong.

I dont dispute this, but having each PResident and each Congress setting out to nullify what the last one did causes grave harm to the nation.

Obama is greatly to blame here, his unwillingness to do the heavy lifting to get things done through proper channels and with some consensus from the nation was always a known bad idea.
Click to expand...

Do you believe this specific policy was wrong?
 
wellwisher said:
The left promotes Evolution over Creationism within schools. Let us look at transgender in terms of evolutionary theory. If your body is a functional male but your mind thinks you are a female, you can never reproduce.
Click to expand...

There's a hole in your theory the size of Texas.

What is it about creationism that makes people so comically blind? To make such grand declarations without even the slightest thought to their veracity. The simplest question asked about your own idea would make it laughably obvious how wrong you are:

"Are there transgender people with children?"
 
Last edited:
Northern Light said:
All things aside, it bugs me how the President is now more like a monarch du jour who can undo all the work of his predecessor with the stroke of a pen, with no respect for continuity, historical reasoning, or political discourse. It could be based on personal opinion and no other reason.

I guess the main way to fix that is to pass things through Congress, though we all know how well that works these days. Takes years if at all and you may have to suffer irrelevant corrupt laws being attached.
Click to expand...

Sounds like the same pen Obama used to create the policy. Were you bothered by Obama's monarchical proclamations as well?
 
Moon said:
Sounds like the same pen Obama used to create the policy. Were you bothered by Obama's monarchical proclamations as well?
Click to expand...

I knew that someone from the right wing was going to ask me this.

To answer your question: yes, yes I was.
 
Deuce said:
Do you believe this specific policy was wrong?
Click to expand...

I have not studied it but I do know that prisons in America have long been poorly run **** holes because Americans now tend too often to be sadistic assholes, and I have zero confidence that this will make the situation improved.
 
Fearandloathing said:
OK. the logic is not sound as there is no ban on anyone else.

So your statement is entirely incorrect and more Trump ass kissing. "Muslim ban" is accurate, but not a full declaration, abreviated for convenience.

But the hair splitting is noted and added to the increasing **** heap of dishonesty in America steeped in the Trump administration.

I regret having interacted with you in the first place, such childish pettiness is insulting and a waste of my time.

good bye
Click to expand...

That was not my intent.
I had no idea you were so sensitive about the issue.
You are the one getting all huffy and puffy about the facts i stated.

I merely stated a fact. It is NOT a Muslim ban as it does not ban Muslims.
It bans residents of certain countries, no matter who they pray to or what they believe.

If it were an actual MUSLIM BAN, then no one from any country who is a Muslim would be allowed in.
That is not the case, and is a fact.
It is not "splitting hairs" when we welcome Muslims from India, Indonesia, Egypt, France, Morocco, Spain, The Philippines, Israel, the UK, and a whole bunch more countries than these.
There is no 'Muslin ban".
Just a ban on citizens from certain countries regardless of their religion.

No reason to be so sensitive. I had no intent to offend, but merely state facts.
Your "offensiveness" is all on you to be offended by these facts.

BTW...I do not care for Trump much at all, but that FACT does not fit your narrative either, does it?

If you choose to not interact with me any further, you will find that to be your loss.
I am a rather pleasant person to get to know.
 
Last edited:
PleasantValley said:
That was not my intent.
I had no idea you were so sensitive about the issue.
You are the one getting all huffy and puffy about the facts i stated.

I merely stated a fact. It is NOT a Muslim ban as it does not ban Muslims.
It bans residents of certain countries, no matter who they pray to or what they believe.

If it were an actual MUSLIM BAN, then no one from any country who is a Muslim would be allowed in.
That is not the case, and is a fact.
It is not "splitting hairs" when we welcome Muslims from India, Indonesia, Egypt, France, Morocco, Spain, The Philippines, Israel, the UK, and a whole bunch more countries than these.
There is no 'Muslin ban".
Just a ban on citizens from certain countries regardless of their religion.

No reason to be so sensitive. I had no intent to offend, but merely state facts.
Your "offensiveness" is all on you to be offended by these facts.

BTW...I do not care for Trump much at all, but that FACT does not fit your narrative either, does it?

If you choose to not interact with me any further, you will find that to be your loss.
I am a rather pleasant person to get to know.
Click to expand...



Please stop

A full page to deal wikth an extremely idiotic and petty post.
are Muslims banned?

Good bye, we will not have any futher exchanges
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I have not studied it but I do know that prisons in America have long been poorly run **** holes because Americans now tend too often to be sadistic assholes, and I have zero confidence that this will make the situation improved.
Click to expand...

Of course not. Wouldn't want to take a position of your own. Best to just let daddy Trump do your thinking for you.

Wait, isn't that part of what has put America down this path to begin with?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom