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University of Texas posters tell male students it’s OK to wear dresses, embrace ‘fluid’ masculinity

CLAX1911 said:
Agreed it can happen with the word embrace but it hasn't yet.



this is the most irrelevant thing I've ever read. For the sake of all that is good in the world I am not saying language can't evolve. I'm just saying it hasn't evolved to the point where embrace is synonymous with tolerate. To use the word that way is to use it incorrectly in current parlance.

This is a load of excrement.

Hey argument is based on what the word means. You were carrying on about how language evolved and it has nothing to do with this.
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You were the one back in post 103 who said that you thought it should have been accept instead of embrace, but that it was just semantics. My point I originally made is that what some see as semantics others see a a major difference. It actually seems like you went 180 on your stance here, unless I missed something along the way. Which is possible. This Tapatalk format is not as easy to follow and keep track as with my laptop.

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maquiscat said:
You were the one back in post 103 who said that you thought it should have been accept instead of embrace, but that it was just semantics.
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I said it may be semantics

My point I originally made is that what some see as semantics others see a a major difference. It actually seems like you went 180 on your stance here, unless I missed something along the way. Which is possible.
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No, I decided my position wasn't semantics.

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X Factor said:
Biological sex is one of those things that’s pretty hard objective fact and not subject to feelings.
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Its a free country.

How about we let people live the way they see fit?

It is their life and their body, after all.

Shouldn't have to prove anything about anything to do so.
 
What if...? said:
Its a free country.

How about we let people live the way they see fit?

It is their life and their body, after all.

Shouldn't have to prove anything about anything to do so.
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Here’s the issue I have with that. How often are righties accused of “denying” science. Science is objective truth, not given to subjective whim and doesn’t care about your damn feelings. Ok, so if someone is biologically male, isn’t that the scientific truth? Yet to say that about someone who is trans is practically treated as hate speech. I thought objective truth couldn’t be offensive.
 
X Factor said:
Here’s the issue I have with that. How often are righties accused of “denying” science. Science is objective truth, not given to subjective whim and doesn’t care about your damn feelings. Ok, so if someone is biologically male, isn’t that the scientific truth? Yet to say that about someone who is trans is practically treated as hate speech. I thought objective truth couldn’t be offensive.
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Is medicine not a science? What if medicine and related fields like psychology and genetics say there's more to the objective truth than just biological sex?
 
X Factor said:
Here’s the issue I have with that. How often are righties accused of “denying” science. Science is objective truth, not given to subjective whim and doesn’t care about your damn feelings. Ok, so if someone is biologically male, isn’t that the scientific truth? Yet to say that about someone who is trans is practically treated as hate speech. I thought objective truth couldn’t be offensive.
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But you are trying to use science when in fact this is a social situation, sociology. You do not check/verify the "scientific" aspects about a person when you meet them to identify them as being addressed as male/female, he/she, her/him, sir/madam, Mr/Mrs. You go off of looks, appearance, and your assumptions that are based on those opinions. You are not actually checking either DNA nor genitals when it comes to verifying someone's gender.
 
PleasantValley said:
Your very first post is to slam and hate on Texas in general and Texas small towns in general.
Not even a 'Hello, this is me, introduction" in the appropriate forum.

Bless your heart.

Funny how some believe each and every one of us who live in Texas act EXACTLY THE SAME, and all of us think the same way too, 100% of the time.
Yet they themselves say they despise stereotyping people.
Odd how they feel that attitude should only go in one direction.....theirs.
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Hi, this is me.

Now on to business. I've lived in TX and spent a lot of time there and my opinion stands. Given what I saw when I was there over the Xmas holiday and driving through east TX (Jasper & environs) it's not just an alt-reality .. it's practically an alt-Reich reality.
 
paprclip said:
Hi, this is me.

Now on to business. I've lived in TX and spent a lot of time there and my opinion stands. Given what I saw when I was there over the Xmas holiday and driving through east TX (Jasper & environs) it's not just an alt-reality .. it's practically an alt-Reich reality.
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You can really learn so much just by driving through an area. :roll:
 
nota bene said:
You can really learn so much just by driving through an area. :roll:
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I lived in an area south of Austin for 7 months.. and well, yes.. he's correct. I never saw a KKK bumper sticker till I was in Texas. I never felt I was treated better than other people because I was white until I saw how Hispanics in general were treated, particularly by town clerks, and quite often by restaurants down there. And, I see you are ignoring his point that he lived there. Isn't that special.
 
RAMOSS said:
I lived in an area south of Austin for 7 months.. and well, yes.. he's correct. I never saw a KKK bumper sticker till I was in Texas. I never felt I was treated better than other people because I was white until I saw how Hispanics in general were treated, particularly by town clerks, and quite often by restaurants down there. And, I see you are ignoring his point that he lived there. Isn't that special.
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Yes, it is. I'm glad your seven months were so educational, but I also think you may have seen what you wanted to see and that Texas-bashing is nothing new.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So the language they use in this article that I find contentious is " Embrace fluid masculinity." Is in accept or support enthusiastically to which I say hell no. First off wearing a dress and putting on makeup is not masculine that is feminine. Being feminine so I personally have no issue with it if you're a man is not fluid masculinity it is femininity.

But they're urging people to embrace something that is false. They're not saying you should accept men wearing dresses, but that you should support it enthusiastically is fluid masculinity not as an expression of femininity.

It makes me wonder have we butchered this language so much that it all really just means nothing
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Yes, words have meaning. It's not wrong to be a more feminine man, but let's not pretend it's the same as being masculine.
 
nota bene said:
Yes, it is. I'm glad your seven months were so educational, but I also think you may have seen what you wanted to see and that Texas-bashing is nothing new.
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Or, it could be, well, Texas is different, and quite often, not in a good way. Austin is cool though.
 
I think of Austin as the Berkeley of the South.
 
paprclip said:
Hi, this is me.

Now on to business. I've lived in TX and spent a lot of time there and my opinion stands. Given what I saw when I was there over the Xmas holiday and driving through east TX (Jasper & environs) it's not just an alt-reality .. it's practically an alt-Reich reality.
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Then stay away.
Texas will be richer for it, and you will be much happier.

The property I own is near Jasper.
All I ask of the Klan and the Nazis is they clean up their trash after their rallies.

I also learned, once the burning cross crumbles down to coals, you can slow cook a pretty good brisket over it.

(Invoking Godwin's Law on only your second post here....how sweet)
 
PleasantValley said:
Then stay away.
Texas will be richer for it, and you will be much happier.

The property I own is near Jasper.
All I ask of the Klan and the Nazis is they clean up their trash after their rallies.

I also learned, once the burning cross crumbles down to coals, you can slow cook a pretty good brisket over it.

(Invoking Godwin's Law on only your second post here....how sweet)
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I don't know.. some of those folk down in Jasper just lose their head over race issues. It's a real drag.
 
X Factor said:
Yes, words have meaning. It's not wrong to be a more feminine man, but let's not pretend it's the same as being masculine.
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Apparently December people the common definition of masculine is unimportant the individual definition is all that matters.

I find discussion with such people completely impossible.
 
RAMOSS said:
I don't know.. some of those folk down in Jasper just lose their head over race issues. It's a real drag.
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I saw individuals loose their head over race issues in Boston too.
Don't think racial hatred is limited to any one geographical location.

However, I want to keep everyone thinking Texas is one big Klan / Nazi rally, so they will stay away and leave us alone.
Our beaches are also full of sludge, dead fish, seaweed, and man-o-war too.
 
Mr Person said:
Is medicine not a science? What if medicine and related fields like psychology and genetics say there's more to the objective truth than just biological sex?
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I don't discount either, however, biological sex is objective truth.
 
roguenuke said:
But you are trying to use science when in fact this is a social situation, sociology. You do not check/verify the "scientific" aspects about a person when you meet them to identify them as being addressed as male/female, he/she, her/him, sir/madam, Mr/Mrs. You go off of looks, appearance, and your assumptions that are based on those opinions. You are not actually checking either DNA nor genitals when it comes to verifying someone's gender.
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Yes, in most everything in life, I rely on my sight and visual evidence. I am, most definitely, not going to demand proof of biological sex before I decide how to refer to them, so this means that I will address a transwoman in the way she'd (I think) want me to. It'll be nearly automatic. I actually support trans people using the bathrooms of the gender they're living as. I think that would cause fewer problems than someone whose visually a woman using the men's room and vice versa.

At that same time, if someone whose obviously a dude insists he isn't, I'm not go to worry too much about addressing him in any particular way.
 
X Factor said:
Yes, in most everything in life, I rely on my sight and visual evidence. I am, most definitely, not going to demand proof of biological sex before I decide how to refer to them, so this means that I will address a transwoman in the way she'd (I think) want me to. It'll be nearly automatic. I actually support trans people using the bathrooms of the gender they're living as. I think that would cause fewer problems than someone whose visually a woman using the men's room and vice versa.

At that same time, if someone whose obviously a dude insists he isn't, I'm not go to worry too much about addressing him in any particular way.
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The point is, you could be wrong. Just because you think you aren't, doesn't mean you aren't wrong. That is the problem with this, too many people think they "know", when they don't. I know someone who has been stopped several times for using the women's restroom, despite having been born a woman. She identifies as a woman too, but people think she is a guy.
 
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