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Scientists uncover 20 genes linked to being transgender – supporting claims the condition has a phys

CLAX1911 said:
is anyone arguing that that isn't a mental disorder? Was gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder or whatever you want to call it removed from the DSM?

, as I understand it this discussion is about transgenders
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Which is why... I mentioned the definition of Transgender. They are individuals that have gender dysphoria. If you are discontent with the sex you are born with and are wishing to be a gender you are biologically not... you have gender dysphoria.

Are you saying someone can be transgender, but do not have any discontent with the sex or identity they were born with? Aren't they mutually exclusive? lol
 
Renae said:
Oh very interesting, science proving there is a basis, not a "Mental Illness" for one being Transgender. Well good.
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I always like it when people accept science. It's amazingly uncommon among certain groups but it does pop up when it's science that confirms what they want to believe.

Of course, that doesnt mean science is static...but it's odd that some believe that should be the case too.
 
celticwar17 said:
Which is why... I mentioned the definition of Transgender. They are individuals that have gender dysphoria. If you are discontent with the sex you are born with and are wishing to be a gender you are biologically not... you have gender dysphoria.

Are you saying someone can be transgender, but do not have any discontent with the sex or identity they were born with? Aren't they mutually exclusive? lol
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None of this answered my question. So I will simply repeat it.

Is anyone arguing that gender dysphoria is not a mental disorder? Was it infact removed from the DSM under the name gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder or any name?

That's a yes or no thing.
 
CLAX1911 said:
None of this answered my question. So I will simply repeat it.

Is anyone arguing that gender dysphoria is not a mental disorder? Was it infact removed from the DSM under the name gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder or any name?

That's a yes or no thing.
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Yes and no, not that i know of
 
celticwar17 said:
Yes and no, not that i know of
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I would agree gender dysphoria is a mental illness. And it was not removed from the DSM by your own words.



celticwar17 said:
You know very well that that was changed because of activism and for not any other reason.
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so here you are talking about something that changed because of activism what changed because of activism the DSM the consideration of gender dysphoria as a mental illness?
 
CLAX1911 said:
I would agree gender dysphoria is a mental illness. And it was not removed from the DSM by your own words.



so here you are talking about something that changed because of activism what changed because of activism the DSM the consideration of gender dysphoria as a mental illness?
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/where-transgender-is-no-longer-a-diagnosis/ was referring to this, and I know of activist groups in the field of psychology attempting to change the description in US as well, though they haven't been successful
 
CLAX1911 said:
Transgenderism has never been classified as a mental illness in the US. gender dysphoria is.
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Lol... so... you wanted to ignore like my last three posts discussing this very thing xD interesting tactic... trying to have me answer you yes or no, as if I didn't also answer your inevitable statement that was going to follow.
 
celticwar17 said:
Lol... so... you wanted to ignore like my last three posts discussing this very thing xD interesting tactic... trying to have me answer you yes or no, as if I didn't also answer your inevitable statement that was going to follow.
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Well to answer yippy worth regard to what transgender means, it just means you identify as transgender. Yippy could just be doing it for attention, people that claim to be non binary claim also to be transgender. People may just be trying it out. Thru could just claim to be so they don't have to wait in line for the rest room. You could just be a transvestite.

I don't thunk such people truly have any condition.

We have no threshold of what transgender means. It just means you call yourself that, nothing more.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well to answer yippy worth regard to what transgender means, it just means you identify as transgender. Yippy could just be doing it for attention, people that claim to be non binary claim also to be transgender. People may just be trying it out. Thru could just claim to be so they don't have to wait in line for the rest room. You could just be a transvestite.

I don't thunk such people truly have any condition.

We have no threshold of what transgender means. It just means you call yourself that, nothing more.
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I'm comfortable with saying that in general it is a mental illness baring some exceptions. It's hard to say a trans-gendered person is satisfied with their birth sex... are there varying degrees of severity to their disatisfaction? Of course.... just like with any kind of mental illness. Could it just be someone just saying they are for attention? sure, but that could be indicative of a personality disorder as well. It only really is a concern when it starts to cause you some real internal strife, which unfortunately a lot of trans-gendered people have to deal with.... them being among the people with the highest suicide rates.
 
celticwar17 said:
I'm comfortable with saying that in general it is a mental illness
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again saying what is a mental illness?


baring some exceptions. It's hard to say a trans-gendered person is satisfied with their birth sex... are there varying degrees of severity to their disatisfaction?
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so you think of crossdresser is unsatisfied with their sex? What about a boy that plays with dolls all of these things have been used as an indicator or to justify someone saying that someone is transgender.

Could it just be someone just saying they are for attention? sure, but that could be indicative of a personality disorder as well.
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Or not.
It only really is a concern when it starts to cause you some real internal strife, which unfortunately a lot of trans-gendered people have to deal with.... them being among the people with the highest suicide rates.
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it's only a concern if it's a mental disorder I understand that.
 
Renae said:
If it applies to a preconceived notion, "Why would any man want to wear a dress and pretend he's a chick?" for example, its' easy to dismiss the evidence that says it's not that simple. For people unable to see beyond their own views, it's a hard concept to grasp. I hope this research can help certain folks realize it's a hard wired issue, and while yes, even I can see how one might consider it "mental illness", like many things in life there is morel, to the story.
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But isn't wearing a dress a preconceived notion of femininity?
 
Renae said:
Oh very interesting, science proving there is a basis, not a "Mental Illness" for one being Transgender. Well good.
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30's a pretty small sample size, but if true, it could mean the ultimate cure for transgenderism lies in gene therapy. That's a pretty cool discovery.
 
Renae said:
Oh very interesting, science proving there is a basis, not a "Mental Illness" for one being Transgender. Well good.
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It's not proven yet.

Researchers believe the gene variations may contribute to people identifying with the opposite sex.
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US scientists uncover 20 genes linked to being transgender | Daily Mail Online



Transgender men and women may carry genetic variants that influence their gender identity, a study suggests.
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/science-pinpoints-dna-behind-gender-identity-3vmrgrdnv
 
spud_meister said:
30's a pretty small sample size, but if true, it could mean the ultimate cure for transgenderism lies in gene therapy. That's a pretty cool discovery.
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It could be that it's in the womb that the gene therapy would have to be applied.'
 
spud_meister said:
30's a pretty small sample size, but if true, it could mean the ultimate cure for transgenderism lies in gene therapy. That's a pretty cool discovery.
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We're a well away from that sort of gene manipulation.
 
celticwar17 said:
You know very well that that was changed because of activism and for not any other reason.
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No, it was changed due to research. You need to learn a bit more about this issue and stop looking at it through your partisan lens.
 
celticwar17 said:
I don't see why you wouldn't classify it as a mental disorder. Humans are sexually dimorphic species. If something occurs that disrupts that dimorphism, that is an anomaly.

Again, this doesn't make trans people any less or more...

I can't help but to think this argument about the semantics of whether transgenderism is a mental disorder or not, is based on whether it hurts peoples feelings...
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No, it's about accurate definitions. Transsexuality is a medical differentiation. Any mental illness that is associated with it, happens because of one's reaction to being transsexual, not because of being transsexual. That's a pretty significant difference.
 
celticwar17 said:
I don't find that to be the case, most psychologist's I know consider it a mental illness(and I know a lot, my significant other works at a university, in the psych department, She is a lab coordinator for a study about psychosis... she has a masters degree in Psychology) ... like I pointed out on the website. It is 100% activism, you can easily hunt down the reasons when you look for why it has been changed in some manuals.
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As a mental health professional counselor, I know many, many psychologists, work, daily with many, many psychologists and therapists, and NONE consider it a mental illness. The change was 100% research based. Your activism argument has no basis in reality. The only "activism" piece is similar to when homosexuality was declassified. People wanted those who design the DSM to look at the research. That's as far as the activism goes.
 
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