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Scientists uncover 20 genes linked to being transgender – supporting claims the condition has a phys

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Scientists have uncovered 20 genes linked to being transgender – supporting claims that the condition has a physical basis.Researchers believe the gene variations may contribute to people identifying with the opposite sex.
Critics of transgender identity say the condition is ‘all in the mind’, and transgender people have a psychological problem rather than a medical one. But by highlighting genetic mutations that affect brain development, the latest findings point towards transgender identity having a physical basis.

US researchers tested 14 female-to-male and 16 male-to-female patients at gender reassignment clinics.
Presenting their research at the Society for Reproductive Investigation conference, the researchers said: ‘We identified genetic variants in 20 genes that may play a role in transgender identity.
‘The most promising of these include variants of genes involved in neurologic development and sex hormones.’


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Oh very interesting, science proving there is a basis, not a "Mental Illness" for one being Transgender. Well good.
 
Renae said:
Oh very interesting, science proving there is a basis, not a "Mental Illness" for one being Transgender. Well good.
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Lol... Mental illnesses certainly can be genetic.
 
Is Homophobia or self-important busibodiness a mental illness?
 
Renae said:
True, but Transgender is not a mental illness.
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I consider it a mental disorder(gender disphoria).... maybe those two words aren't the same thing.
 
tecoyah said:
Is Homophobia or self-important busibodiness a mental illness?
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A phobia is certainly a mental disorder.... but I think you are just talking about peoples views other than a legitimate phobia.
 
celticwar17 said:
A phobia is certainly a mental disorder.... but I think you are just talking about peoples views other than a legitimate phobia.
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Actually I was making a sarcastic point.
 
tecoyah said:
Actually I was making a sarcastic point.
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And I was taking the opertunity of making the distinction of what is and isn't a mental disorder.
 
celticwar17 said:
I consider it a mental disorder(gender disphoria).... maybe those two words aren't the same thing.
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What you consider is immaterial. If you want to the consider the sun rising to be an act of a benevolent sun spirit that would carry the same amount of intellectual weight.
 
Renae said:
What you consider is immaterial. If you want to the consider the sun rising to be an act of a benevolent sun spirit that would carry the same amount of intellectual weight.
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I don't just personally consider it silly lol... it's been defined in the field of psychology as gender dysphoria... and it is a mental disorder.

Why do you care whether it's a disorder or not? The only reason why I care, is because it is what it is.... It doesn't make Trans-gendered people any less than does any other mental disorder makes anyone less... it's something they have to learn to live with, and it doesn't make them bad people by any means...
 
celticwar17 said:
I don't just personally consider it silly lol... it's been defined in the field of psychology as gender dysphoria... and it is a mental disorder.

Why do you care whether it's a disorder or not? The only reason why I care, is because it is what it is.... It doesn't make Trans-gendered people any less than does any other mental disorder makes anyone less... it's something they have to learn to live with, and it doesn't make them bad people by any means...
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And?

Definitions change upon reevaluation in light of new evidence.
 
Mr Person said:
And?

Definitions change upon reevaluation in light of new evidence.
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What has changed? Just because there are gene's tied to transgender probability means nothing about it's status as a mental disorder. There are genes tied to alcholoism, to anorexia, depression, mania, schizophrenia... it means nothing about their status as mental disorders.

A mental disorder is not based on if it is genetic or not.
 
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Scientists uncover 20 genes linked to being transgender
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not too surprising. personally, i wonder if part of it might be epigenetics. what i don't wonder about is whether or not it's a choice. it isn't a choice any more than i made a choice to not be a transgender. i'll be interested to find out more about this as our scientific knowledge increases.
 
I wonder if they can be detected in a pre-natal scan
 
Helix said:
not too surprising. personally, i wonder if part of it might be epigenetics. what i don't wonder about is whether or not it's a choice. it isn't a choice any more than i made a choice to not be a transgender. i'll be interested to find out more about this as our scientific knowledge increases.
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It's a choice to act to correct it, but it's not a choice to be Trans. If that is clear.
 
Renae said:
It's a choice to act to correct it, but it's not a choice to be Trans. If that is clear.
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if by "correct" you mean living as your self identified gender, sure, i suppose that part could be considered a choice. what i meant was that i don't think for a second that people are just randomly choosing to be trans.
 
Helix said:
if by "correct" you mean living as your self identified gender, sure, i suppose that part could be considered a choice. what i meant was that i don't think for a second that people are just randomly choosing to be trans.
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That's what I meant. Yes, to correct the disconnect.
 
celticwar17 said:
I don't just personally consider it silly lol... it's been defined in the field of psychology as gender dysphoria... and it is a mental disorder.
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No, that is incorrect. Gender Dysphoric Disorder is a disorder that often affects transsexuals, however, transsexuality, in and of itself is not a mental illness.
 
celticwar17 said:
I don't just personally consider it silly lol... it's been defined in the field of psychology as gender dysphoria... and it is a mental disorder.

Why do you care whether it's a disorder or not? The only reason why I care, is because it is what it is.... It doesn't make Trans-gendered people any less than does any other mental disorder makes anyone less... it's something they have to learn to live with, and it doesn't make them bad people by any means...
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Based on changes to between DSM-IV and DSM-V Gender Identification Disorder (GID) was dropped and Gender Dysphoria was added. Gender Dysphoria is a set of psychological symptoms associated with the incongruence between the assigned gender at birth and what the individual knows to be true. See the following article (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/where-transgender-is-no-longer-a-diagnosis/) for additional information. Studies like this will pave the way for proper medical care for anyone that suffers from the condition. It could be as simple as psychotherapy to deal with the symptoms, no conversation therapy is not an option, maybe a small dosage of hormones will help relieve the symptoms, or may it require the individual to go through various surgeries to make their body concurrent or in-sync gender identity.

At some point in the future, Gender Dysphoria will be dropped from DSM and you will be left with anxiety, depression, among other diagnoses. The surgeries will become the standard treatment for the condition after confirmation that medical procedure is medically required. The current standards are defined by WHO.
 
Dana K said:
Based on changes to between DSM-IV and DSM-V Gender Identification Disorder (GID) was dropped and Gender Dysphoria was added. Gender Dysphoria is a set of psychological symptoms associated with the incongruence between the assigned gender at birth and what the individual knows to be true. See the following article (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/where-transgender-is-no-longer-a-diagnosis/) for additional information. Studies like this will pave the way for proper medical care for anyone that suffers from the condition. It could be as simple as psychotherapy to deal with the symptoms, no conversation therapy is not an option, maybe a small dosage of hormones will help relieve the symptoms, or may it require the individual to go through various surgeries to make their body concurrent or in-sync gender identity.

At some point in the future, Gender Dysphoria will be dropped from DSM and you will be left with anxiety, depression, among other diagnoses. The surgeries will become the standard treatment for the condition after confirmation that medical procedure is medically required. The current standards are defined by WHO.
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You know very well that that was changed because of activism and for not any other reason.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, that is incorrect. Gender Dysphoric Disorder is a disorder that often affects transsexuals, however, transsexuality, in and of itself is not a mental illness.
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I don't see why you wouldn't classify it as a mental disorder. Humans are sexually dimorphic species. If something occurs that disrupts that dimorphism, that is an anomaly.

Again, this doesn't make trans people any less or more...

I can't help but to think this argument about the semantics of whether transgenderism is a mental disorder or not, is based on whether it hurts peoples feelings...
 
Renae said:
Oh very interesting, science proving there is a basis, not a "Mental Illness" for one being Transgender. Well good.
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Yup. And utterly unsurprising, given what we already know about neurological differences in trans people (which we can physically point out, but did not previously know the genetic cause of).

But something that's always perplexed me when people say it's "all in your mind"... these people do know our "minds" are an organ, which can physically vary between people, right? So... how does something being "in your mind" make it less real? I've never gotten that.

At the end of the day, the difference between mental illness and neurological condition is pretty damn slim, and a number of things have crossed from being considered one to the other over the course of time.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Yup. And utterly unsurprising, given what we already know about neurological differences in trans people (which we can physically point out, but did not previously know the genetic cause of).

But something that's always perplexed me when people say it's "all in your mind"... these people do know our "minds" are an organ, which can physically vary between people, right? So... how does something being "in your mind" make it less real? I've never gotten that.

At the end of the day, the difference between mental illness and neurological condition is pretty damn slim, and a number of things have crossed from being considered one to the other over the course of time.
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If it applies to a preconceived notion, "Why would any man want to wear a dress and pretend he's a chick?" for example, its' easy to dismiss the evidence that says it's not that simple. For people unable to see beyond their own views, it's a hard concept to grasp. I hope this research can help certain folks realize it's a hard wired issue, and while yes, even I can see how one might consider it "mental illness", like many things in life there is morel, to the story.
 
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