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Locker Room Talk and Sexual Harassment

Lursa said:
Why, what did you say that was illegal? Are you implying that speaking to women is against the law? WHat 'stuff' are you referring to?

Again...I realize you are trying to show that women are 'making a big deal out of nothing,' but pretty sure you wont be successful.
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The irony is that, while arguing that women are incapable of distinguishing between true sexual harassment and assault, they demonstrate that it is they who do not understand what those mean
 
If I Poe'd Men's Rights, some would think "at least he's consistent".
 
Praxas said:
Again, if that was your first time and you didn't work with that person or were in a hiring situation with that person no, you would not be arrested. At best if she went screaming to the police, they would just give you a warning worse case scenario and tell you to leave her alone. Now if you touch her that is where the assault comes in.
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Lets say that I go up to her and say to her that I would like to grab her by a part of her body that's covered by the bathing suit. I would think I would get in trouble for that as I could be charged for being lewd.

As for regulations against sexual harassment in the workplace, I believe you're right about not wanting a hostile work environment. For workers to be productive they shouldn't be in environments where they feel uncomfortable which would include environments where theres any unwanted sexual advances which includes sexual advances which are just verbal where no touching is involved. As for picking up chicks on the job, I see nothing wrong with consensual flirting provided that it is indeed consensual and that its done not when you're working but when you're on break or whatever.
 
MrWonka said:
If he's making fun of you and claiming you're a loser for not having sex and he won't leave you alone then it might be appropriate to talk to the person in charge of the locker room area and let them know that this person is bothering you and won't leave you a lone.
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"Locker room talk," is an expression which refers to how guys talk and boast to each other about how they've "scored," where they boast about sexual stuff they've done with girls, how many girls they've done it with, how often they've done it, ect. Just because its referred to as locker room talk doesn't mean that it necessarily takes place in a locker room, it can take place just about anywhere where guys gather, school lounges, college dormitories, ect.
 
KevinKohler said:
A guy bragging about banging the cheerleader in a locker room with other guys is not sexual harrasment.
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Not if the other guys don't have a problem with it but if some guy came up to me and started boasting about all the stuff he's done with the cheerleader and then asks me what I've done with cheerleaders, how many cheerleaders I've done it with, ect, I might have a problem with that.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Not if the other guys don't have a problem with it but if some guy came up to me and started boasting about all the stuff he's done with the cheerleader and then asks me what I've done with cheerleaders, how many cheerleaders I've done it with, ect, I might have a problem with that.
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Indeed you might. But that doesn't make it sexual harassment.


Mind blowing fact : In life, some problems, you just have to sort out for yourself.
 
KevinKohler said:
And even then, its not sexual harassment...its another hot key trigger word...

Bullying.
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Right, and bullying can take on many forms and bullying can certainly take on sexual forms. Sexual harassment in and of itself is a form of bullying.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Right, and bullying can take on many forms and bullying can certainly take on sexual forms. Sexual harassment in and of itself is a form of bullying.
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Sexual harassment is bullying, yes, but bullying is not sexual harassment.

I keep saying this, apparently for no reason...intent matters.

Otherwise, anything and everything can construed as being whatever we want.
 
reinoe said:
The accusation is the charge and the conviction too.
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No it's not. Do you know what a 'charge' is in this context? It's a legal recognition of a criminal or civil act that then requires legal action, including formal investigation and due process. Now do I have to define 'conviction' for you too?
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often young men in high school and particularly college like to engage in "locker room talk" where they talk about and boast about sexual stuff they've done. They say stuff such as "I did this, she did that, ect." Anyway, I don't always want to engage in locker room talk and as a matter of fact most of the time I don't. So lets say a guy tries to have locker room talk with me, lets say he asks me something such as if I've ever been laid, can I press charges for sexual harassment? After all, he is making lewd conversation which I believe would be grounds for sexual harassment.
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God am I happy that I never hung out in locker rooms with other naked guys, I was getting more sex than I needed in high school and NEVER shared any of my intimate relations with other guys; i think it's only a manifestation of latent homosexuality.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often young men in high school and particularly college like to engage in "locker room talk" where they talk about and boast about sexual stuff they've done. They say stuff such as "I did this, she did that, ect." Anyway, I don't always want to engage in locker room talk and as a matter of fact most of the time I don't. So lets say a guy tries to have locker room talk with me, lets say he asks me something such as if I've ever been laid, can I press charges for sexual harassment? After all, he is making lewd conversation which I believe would be grounds for sexual harassment.
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Wouldn't it be more appropriate to just say "this makes me feel uncomfortable, I don't want to talk about it"? If he continues to go on after then you should and could. There's no need to be overreacting though like the vast majority of Americans do. You don't need to try and ruin someone's life because they were trying to make casual conversation inside of societal norms (even if they may be inappropriate societal norms).
 
SirGareth said:
God am I happy that I never hung out in locker rooms with other naked guys, I was getting more sex than I needed in high school and NEVER shared any of my intimate relations with other guys; i think it's only a manifestation of latent homosexuality.
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You're sharing it now, bragging about it in fact, which is why most of us probably don't believe you.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often young men in high school and particularly college like to engage in "locker room talk" where they talk about and boast about sexual stuff they've done. They say stuff such as "I did this, she did that, ect." Anyway, I don't always want to engage in locker room talk and as a matter of fact most of the time I don't. So lets say a guy tries to have locker room talk with me, lets say he asks me something such as if I've ever been laid, can I press charges for sexual harassment? After all, he is making lewd conversation which I believe would be grounds for sexual harassment.
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I don't think the law covers that.

First you have to express your desire not to talk about such things. If repeated, you may have actionable cause, but I'm not aware of any.

Just another action of others being offensive to you. If we start going down that rabbit hole, can you imaging how screwed up we would end up as a society? take action against any thing offensive?
 
SirGareth said:
God am I happy that I never hung out in locker rooms with other naked guys, I was getting more sex than I needed in high school and NEVER shared any of my intimate relations with other guys; i think it's only a manifestation of latent homosexuality.
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I haven't had to since my first couple years in the military, except training exercises. If I wasn't in the military, I don't think I has to since my Sophomore year.
 
sangha said:
The irony is that, while arguing that women are incapable of distinguishing between true sexual harassment and assault, they demonstrate that it is they who do not understand what those mean
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Women are something else. One guy they think is cute, hot, etc. says something, and they get all giddy and gossip with their friends about this guy they like and what he said. A guy they have no interest in does the same thing, and they scream sexual harassment, and they gossip with their friends about what he said.
 
Lursa said:
Hey, feel free to expose the character of the other guys...but sexual harassment (if you were going to go with legal charges) generally means someone with power or authority to effect your job or grades or other aspect of your life.

And I know this isnt a serious OP but hey, I'm happy to join in and highlight how and why.
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I am just assuming ignorance of what sexual harassment really is.
 
Praxas said:
A guy bragging about banging the cheerleader in a locker room is not sexual harassment, a guy asking another person if they have been laid CAN be construed as sexual harassment. Cool the tone.
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Harassment of a sexual topic, yes. Sexual harassment as defined by law, no.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Women are something else. One guy they think is cute, hot, etc. says something, and they get all giddy and gossip with their friends about this guy they like and what he said. A guy they have no interest in does the same thing, and they scream sexual harassment, and they gossip with their friends about what he said.
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Got the names of any women who have done this, or is this just another delusion for right wing snowflacks who are afraid of women?
 
Lord of Planar said:
I don't think the law covers that.

First you have to express your desire not to talk about such things. If repeated, you may have actionable cause, but I'm not aware of any.

Just another action of others being offensive to you. If we start going down that rabbit hole, can you imaging how screwed up we would end up as a society? take action against any thing offensive?
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Than I should've clarified. If somebody tries to engage with me in locker room talk which could include asking about my sex life and my sexual history, if I tell them its none of their business and they persist than I should be able to press charges for sexual harassment or at least file a complaint.
 
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