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Feminism.

CLAX1911 said:
That is not what I mean. I disagree with the idea that women by their nature should do certain things because naturally they can't do others I disagree with that whatever a woman wants to do with her life nobody should stand in her way. And also there's no thing that a person should do because of their nature.

As I understand it that theory is called post-modernism. Would you describe where women should be mother's and stay at home that's modernism. I'm not really a sociology major but that's my understanding of it.

I tend to lean more towards post-modernism where no matter how someone can classify you it doesn't have any bearing on what you can or should do.

Post-modernism equality feminism I'm with you there. The thing that bothers me is the belief that men are the enemy I understand the man in the proverbial sense meaning the people in charge could be considered the enemy but everybody with a penis no.

It seems right now people that fancy themselves feminists are creating that dichotomy. And it's actually negatively impacting both men and women.
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It seems to me that the ones that I always hear about 'feminists think men are the enemy' are always men who are complaining about feminists. And, I know a lot of people who identify as feminists.
 
RAMOSS said:
It seems to me that the ones that I always hear about 'feminists think men are the enemy' are always men who are complaining about feminists. And, I know a lot of people who identify as feminists.
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So your story is "feminists think men are the enemy" might be taken as a positive, that this would speak well of them according to some folks?

Who are these assholes?
 
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IcyOna said:
For or against ? The definition,

feminism
ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
synonyms: the women's movement, the feminist movement, women's liberation, female emancipation, women's rights; More

I don't see how anyone would be against equality of the sexes.
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Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Why would men say that?
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From the comments outside of talking about feminists in general, it is to a large part of men who seem to have trouble relating to women to begin with. One has definitely made comments about hitting women to keep them in their place. Most are conservatives, and a high percentage come from areas that have a very patriarch type attitudes. I saw a much higher percentage of men with that attitude when I was in the southern part of Texas, or example. There was also the social expectation among a lot of them that women should be more submissive, and quite a lot of them didn't even realize they had it.
 
RAMOSS said:
From the comments outside of talking about feminists in general, it is to a large part of men who seem to have trouble relating to women to begin with.
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how did you formulate this opinion? From where did you obtain your information and how did you compensate for your bias?

One has definitely made comments about hitting women to keep them in their place. Most are conservatives, and a high percentage come from areas that have a very patriarch type attitudes.
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what is a patriarchal type attitude? How are these attitudes delegated to areas? How do you extrapolate an attitude being correlated with a geographic location?

I saw a much higher percentage of men with that attitude when I was in the southern part of Texas, or example.
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assuming you can Define what a " patriarchal attitude" is how did you observe it? Did you interpret it? Did you take surveys? And do you link it's with conservatism. How did you come to that link?

There was also the social expectation among a lot of them that women should be more submissive, and quite a lot of them didn't even realize they had it.
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How did you know what people expected of others?
 
CLAX1911 said:
how did you formulate this opinion? From where did you obtain your information and how did you compensate for your bias?

what is a patriarchal type attitude? How are these attitudes delegated to areas? How do you extrapolate an attitude being correlated with a geographic location?

assuming you can Define what a " patriarchal attitude" is how did you observe it? Did you interpret it? Did you take surveys? And do you link it's with conservatism. How did you come to that link?


How did you know what people expected of others?
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Why, I found that out by talkign to people, and listening to them. I saw many more men with issues about women down in Texas than up here. When I see posters who have attitudes about women on forums, .. if I look at their political lean, there are almost entirely conservative. I noticed there was a commonality on this board with people who make comments that show having an issue with women in general. The vast majority of them have their lean as either conservative, or libertarian. A excessive percentage of them (higher than even the rest of conservatives and libertarians) come from Texas.

There are exceptions. But, that is the trend.
 
sangha said:
Umm, there is no draft
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Sort of, only registering for it. I agree that there will be no more draft mainly because you don't need lot's of ground troops if you are not intent upon holding territory. But when the most powerful military on the planet cannot advance beyond a stalemate against an enemy that has no air power, no navy and a rag tag, at best, army in over a decade then you might need a better battle plan.
 
RAMOSS said:
Why, I found that out by talkign to people, and listening to them.
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what precisely did they say? How do you know they are representative of the majority of people that think that way? How many people did you talk to? How did you listen to them. How did you compensate for your bias?

I saw many more men with issues about women down in Texas than up here.
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how many? What issues? And again how did you know they were a representative of an average?

When I see posters who have attitudes about women on forums, if I look at their political lean, there are almost entirely conservative. I noticed there was a commonality on this board with people who make comments that show having an issue with women in general. The vast majority of them have their lean as either conservative, or libertarian.
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I didn't ask how you pigeonhole people on the board. I asked about this survey you took of Texans.

You didn't explain what a patriarchal attitude is you didn't explain these issues that they had with women you didn't show me how you didn't show me how you extrapolated this information.

Why?

By the way libertarian is a liberal lean.

A excessive percentage of them (higher than even the rest of conservatives and libertarians) come from Texas.
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oh so you really didn't survey this attitude from Texas that you may or may not have actually witnessed you just assumed?

There are exceptions. But, that is the trend.
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That is the trend based on what data?
 
CLAX1911 said:
what precisely did they say? How do you know they are representative of the majority of people that think that way? How many people did you talk to? How did you listen to them. How did you compensate for your bias?

how many? What issues? And again how did you know they were a representative of an average?

I didn't ask how you pigeonhole people on the board. I asked about this survey you took of Texans.

You didn't explain what a patriarchal attitude is you didn't explain these issues that they had with women you didn't show me how you didn't show me how you extrapolated this information.

Why?

By the way libertarian is a liberal lean.

oh so you really didn't survey this attitude from Texas that you may or may not have actually witnessed you just assumed?


That is the trend based on what data?
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Oh, they said various things. One, for example, talked about hitting women if they didn't' fall into line. Others complained how women were getting too uppity. When i see the combination of 'texas' and 'conservative', I give a 50/50 change of them making comments that are either controlling or derogatory to women, and so far, that is pattern is being accurate.
 
RAMOSS said:
Oh, they said various things. One, for example, talked about hitting women if they didn't' fall into line.
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Who? How many?

Others
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other what? How many? Whom?

complained how women were getting too uppity.
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how did you measure the metric of "uppity?" What did that mean did you ask or did you ask or did you assume?


When i see the combination of 'texas' and 'conservative', I give a 50/50 change of them making comments that are either controlling or derogatory to women, and so far, that is pattern is being accurate.
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I'm glad you recognize your bigotry Prejudiced and bought us but how did you eliminate that in the extrapolation of information?

Is your opinion based on anything but social canards Geographic rivalry and political affiliation?
 
sangha said:
Let me know when you, or anybody else, are drafted
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Will should they draft people for the military where do you think they dropped them from?

What is selective services for? And if you truly believe in the equality of the sexes then you believe there should be a law for women to sign up for the selective services. Or that men shouldn't have to.

If by law I'm required to do something that people aren't if they are a different sex that is not equality of the sexes.
 
sangha said:
Umm, have you ever heard about our all-volunteer military forces?
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Have you heard about selective services? Did you know that all able-bodied men are required to sign up for it when they turn 18?

Do you know why do you know what it is?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Will should they draft people for the military where do you think they dropped them from?
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In English, please
What is selective services for? And if you truly believe in the equality of the sexes then you believe there should be a law for women to sign up for the selective services. Or that men shouldn't have to.

If by law I'm required to do something that people aren't if they are a different sex that is not equality of the sexes.
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I think no one should be required to register
 
CLAX1911 said:
Who? How many?

other what? How many? Whom?

how did you measure the metric of "uppity?" What did that mean did you ask or did you ask or did you assume?


I'm glad you recognize your bigotry Prejudiced and bought us but how did you eliminate that in the extrapolation of information?

Is your opinion based on anything but social canards Geographic rivalry and political affiliation?
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Funny... considering that your words fit that pattern perfectly. And, no, I didn't ask. I saw people's responses to various issues, and observed attitudes and comments when it comes to people here. And, fairly often, actually.

And, I noticed the attitudes and reactions of how men and women interacted when I was in Texas, and could compare it with the way men and women interacted from back home. People didn't noticed it down there, because, well, fish don't notice the water they swim in.
 
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