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Feminism.

You’re going to have to explain that.

How many elementary school teachers are male? How many congress members are female? CEOs? It's not segregation in the sense of "male-only water fountain". It's a segregation that's more subtle and complex.
 
How many elementary school teachers are male? How many congress members are female? CEOs? It's not segregation in the sense of "male-only water fountain". It's a segregation that's more subtle and complex.

How many men WANT to teach young children? It’s not that there’s an equal number of male/female applicants for a first grade position but 99% of the time females are hired.
 
How many men WANT to teach young children? It’s not that there’s an equal number of male/female applicants for a first grade position but 99% of the time females are hired.

Due to social expectations, gender expectations, gender roles. These are the means by which females are segregated in today's society.
 
Due to social expectations, gender expectations, gender roles. These are the means by which females are segregated in today's society.

Except they aren’t.

Segregation implies that something is being forced upon a group of people. Nothing is stopping a man from being a first grade teacher if that’s what he chooses for his profession.
 
Except they aren’t.

Segregation implies that something is being forced upon a group of people. Nothing is stopping a man from being a first grade teacher if that’s what he chooses for his profession.

It's forced on society, not individuals. Women are taught to behave differently from childhood. Boys are told to go after what they want, fight for it and never give up. Girls are taught to be supportive, accepting, patient and quiet. This, to a large extent, drives the disparities. It's reinforced by gender roles for males and females as adults, where it's seen as a bit "limp wristed" for a man to teach children (thereby compounding gender roles).

You're looking at a social phenomenon from a personal perspective. Until one adopts a social perspective on the issue (in addition to, not in lieu of, a personal perspective), one cannot really see what I'm saying.

If one fails to see what I'm saying and substitutes "male-only water fountains" as the claim, one is getting farther from understanding.
 
Basically, classical feminism is good. Modern feminism, not so much.
 
Basically, classical feminism is good. Modern feminism, not so much.

Basically, as far as I can see, the biggest difference is that some people are more flamboyant about how they protest. The basics are the same. When it comes to some of the more 'modern' versions, there is an acknowledgement that women of minorities have been overlooked, and they also , or in some respects even more so need equality.
 
Basically, as far as I can see, the biggest difference is that some people are more flamboyant about how they protest. The basics are the same. When it comes to some of the more 'modern' versions, there is an acknowledgement that women of minorities have been overlooked, and they also , or in some respects even more so need equality.

Sums it up quite well.
 
For or against ? The definition,

feminism
ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
synonyms: the women's movement, the feminist movement, women's liberation, female emancipation, women's rights; More

I don't see how anyone would be against equality of the sexes.

Feminism is not about equality it's about pitting women against men. The tricking poor ladies in guys into believing that there is a societal effort to subdue women.
 
How many elementary school teachers are male? How many congress members are female? CEOs? It's not segregation in the sense of "male-only water fountain". It's a segregation that's more subtle and complex.

And you think this is bad or should be corrected? If you say yes why and how?
 
It's forced on society, not individuals. Women are taught to behave differently from childhood. Boys are told to go after what they want, fight for it and never give up. Girls are taught to be supportive, accepting, patient and quiet. This, to a large extent, drives the disparities. It's reinforced by gender roles for males and females as adults, where it's seen as a bit "limp wristed" for a man to teach children (thereby compounding gender roles).

You're looking at a social phenomenon from a personal perspective. Until one adopts a social perspective on the issue (in addition to, not in lieu of, a personal perspective), one cannot really see what I'm saying.

If one fails to see what I'm saying and substitutes "male-only water fountains" as the claim, one is getting farther from understanding.

I get what you're saying you're saying that Society is segregated because we don't see 50% distribution of the sexes in everything. We see male-dominated fields and female-dominated Fields.

This couldn't be because women are better at certain things than men are and men are better at certain things than women are generally speaking? And if that's the case why should we monkey with it?
 
Sexual assault is “segregation”? Who knew.

Wow! The point went completely over your head.

The point being that your saying it never happens to you is as irrelevent a statement as you can get.
 
I don't understand. What does sexual assault have to do with segregation?

Sigh!. Nothing. but saying segregation has not happened to you as a way of dismissing it is poor thinking. Like saying bcause you have never been raped then you can dismiss it as a problem for women.

And as for saying that you have never been segregated , i can think of several plausable reasons for that and only a few would be complementry. So i will refrain from making any such assumptions.
 
Due to social expectations, gender expectations, gender roles. These are the means by which females are segregated in today's society.

As an interesting side note that backs what you say. I have a thread about a being pregnant and a prime minister in which some are arguing segregation. Apperantly a woman can either be a mother or a worker but not both. Which is one of the bigger problems women face. having to make that choice between a career and parenting. Many consider they should be seperate but give n good reason other than tradition.
 
For or against ? The definition,

feminism
ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
synonyms: the women's movement, the feminist movement, women's liberation, female emancipation, women's rights; More

I don't see how anyone would be against equality of the sexes.

Equality as in equal rights? I'm onboard. Equality as in equal outcomes? **** that noise.

But "egalitarian" covers this, "Feminism" has baggage. I would rather not be affiliated with man hating 3rd wave feminists who think they can fight sexism by adopting it.
 
I guess this was a hit-and-run thread.
 
Feminism is not about equality it's about pitting women against men. The tricking poor ladies in guys into believing that there is a societal effort to subdue women.

Not in my experience. Then again, I am a female raised before "feminism" existed. I saw subtle hints of it even as a teenager, because all the girls I knew expected nothing more than to find a husband and pop out babies. It never occurred to them that they could be anything else. Every mom in my neighborhood was a housewife; every dad went to work. In my own family, I wanted to go to college, but was told by my father that he wasn't wasting money on his daughters, who would just waste their education by getting married. My brother, however, was a different matter.

Years later, after doing what was expected of me, I ended up divorced, raising two children with nothing but a high school diploma. I got crap jobs doing secretarial work and answering phones, dodging grab-handed engineers and spending so much on child care I couldn't pay the mortgage.

Fast forward, I was bright, a quick learner, and worked my way up to a mid-management position as finance director (because of recently enacted Affirmative Action quotas put in place by the newly formed "feminism" movement, to be honest) only to discover that females were dismissed, denigrated, ridiculed by not only the males who reported to her, but those on "equal" mid-management footing and her superiors as well.

So if you mean "pitting women against men" for equal opportunity, equal wages, equal respect was a bad thing, a "trick", then I vehemently disagree. I've been there. Things are much better now, but there is still work to do. Your post actually proves it.
 
Not in my experience. Then again, I am a female raised before "feminism" existed. I saw subtle hints of it even as a teenager, because all the girls I knew expected nothing more than to find a husband and pop out babies. It never occurred to them that they could be anything else. Every mom in my neighborhood was a housewife; every dad went to work. In my own family, I wanted to go to college, but was told by my father that he wasn't wasting money on his daughters, who would just waste their education by getting married. My brother, however, was a different matter.

Years later, after doing what was expected of me, I ended up divorced, raising two children with nothing but a high school diploma. I got crap jobs doing secretarial work and answering phones, dodging grab-handed engineers and spending so much on child care I couldn't pay the mortgage.

Fast forward, I was bright, a quick learner, and worked my way up to a mid-management position as finance director (because of recently enacted Affirmative Action quotas put in place by the newly formed "feminism" movement, to be honest) only to discover that females were dismissed, denigrated, ridiculed by not only the males who reported to her, but those on "equal" mid-management footing and her superiors as well.

So if you mean "pitting women against men" for equal opportunity, equal wages, equal respect was a bad thing, a "trick", then I vehemently disagree. I've been there. Things are much better now, but there is still work to do. Your post actually proves it.

That is not what I mean. I disagree with the idea that women by their nature should do certain things because naturally they can't do others I disagree with that whatever a woman wants to do with her life nobody should stand in her way. And also there's no thing that a person should do because of their nature.

As I understand it that theory is called post-modernism. Would you describe where women should be mother's and stay at home that's modernism. I'm not really a sociology major but that's my understanding of it.

I tend to lean more towards post-modernism where no matter how someone can classify you it doesn't have any bearing on what you can or should do.

Post-modernism equality feminism I'm with you there. The thing that bothers me is the belief that men are the enemy I understand the man in the proverbial sense meaning the people in charge could be considered the enemy but everybody with a penis no.

It seems right now people that fancy themselves feminists are creating that dichotomy. And it's actually negatively impacting both men and women.
 
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