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Women are Angry, Temporarily Powerful—and Very, Very Dangerous

No, that's not the same as a *reaction* which is what that pendulum swinging is. And it's proportionate to where it originated.

Fine. The men who run media companies can help you get out the message about how bad men are. And the men who run the print shop can print some t shirts and protest signs for you.

And if men choose to lower themselves (still) instead of reacting like they recognize the pain and disrespect that women have suffered all this time, then the pendulum swings will not lose momentum and not normalize.



I have no idea about what 'pain and disrespect all this time' is supposed to mean. Sounds a bit melodramatic.
 
Fine. The men who run media companies can help you get out the message about how bad men are. And the men who run the print shop can print some t shirts and protest signs for you.

Dont put words in my mouth, I never even implied that all men were bad or that men were bad, period.


I have no idea about what 'pain and disrespect all this time' is supposed to mean. Sounds a bit melodramatic.

Well I spelled it out for you: sexual harassment and abuse for centuries if not longer. Sorry you dont take it seriously and think it's melodramatic. Apparently the women that suffered from it felt differently but you can just dismiss and disrespect it...that seems to be pretty obvious from your posts anyway.

And it seems, from your post, that you've run out of answers.
 
Dont put words in my mouth, I never even implied that all men were bad or that men were bad, period.

The good ones to you are probably the ones who go around talking about the centuries of pain and stuff, right?


Well I spelled it out for you: sexual harassment and abuse for centuries if not longer. Sorry you dont take it seriously and think it's melodramatic. Apparently the women that suffered from it felt differently but you can just dismiss and disrespect it...that seems to be pretty obvious from your posts anyway.

And it seems, from your post, that you've run out of answers.

I have no answer to someone who believes women are correct for wanting revenge for things that didn't even happen to them, such as whatever took place 100's of years ago.
 
The good ones to you are probably the ones who go around talking about the centuries of pain and stuff, right?




I have no answer to someone who believes women are correct for wanting revenge for things that didn't even happen to them, such as whatever took place 100's of years ago.

Well since you just intentionally misrepresented what I've written because you cannot answer my responses honestly...you show a moral cowardice on the subject that I hope most men going into the future will be able to avoid. Instead of examining and answering the tough questions, the tough truths...it's easier just to go on the offensive. No worries...everyone else can read what's here.
 
The good ones to you are probably the ones who go around talking about the centuries of pain and stuff, right?




I have no answer to someone who believes women are correct for wanting revenge for things that didn't even happen to them, such as whatever took place 100's of years ago.

You think sexual harassment and abuse only happened hundreds of years ago? Are you insane?
 
Well since you just intentionally misrepresented what I've written because you cannot answer my responses honestly...you show a moral cowardice on the subject that I hope most men going into the future will be able to avoid. Instead of examining and answering the tough questions, the tough truths...it's easier just to go on the offensive. No worries...everyone else can read what's here.

Maybe we're just not understanding each other.

As a side note, have you ever watched Portlandia?
 
You think sexual harassment and abuse only happened hundreds of years ago? Are you insane?

You're confusing the comment I made.

Women living today who cite abuse of women from centuries ago as justification for hating men, are 'wanting revenge for something that didn't even happen to them'.
 
You're confusing the comment I made.

Women living today who cite abuse of women from centuries ago as justification for hating men, are 'wanting revenge for something that didn't even happen to them'.

Who's doing that? Who wrote that?

Maybe you dont know what a pendulum is? Social ills, social reaction, social change are cumulative. They dont appear in an instant and they dont disappear in an instant and they have consequences, "reactions."

Yes, it's uncomfortable. The Civil Rights movement was 'uncomfortable' for alot of white people. Didnt make it wrong. Didnt make it go away overnight. That pendulum is still in motion as a matter of fact.

No one implied hating men. That is the go-to excuse for men. Kind of like just calling women that dont back down or that call them out "bitches." Or if a woman reacts in a way they dont like, asking if they've got their period. Just simplistic offensive acts instead of dealing with something.
 
Who's doing that? Who wrote that?

You're the only poster here whose first response was to turn this into a Men vs Women thing.

Maybe you dont know what a pendulum is? Social ills, social reaction, social change are cumulative. They dont appear in an instant and they dont disappear in an instant and they have consequences, "reactions."

I know what a pendulum is. I'll use it in a sentence;
If the #metoo movement doesn't weed out women who aren't real victims of harassment, the pendulum will swing, and #metoo won't be taken seriously anymore.

Yes, it's uncomfortable. The Civil Rights movement was 'uncomfortable' for alot of white people. Didnt make it wrong. Didnt make it go away overnight. That pendulum is still in motion as a matter of fact.

The civil rights movement was also relevant, since real injustice was being committed.

No one implied hating men. That is the go-to excuse for men. Kind of like just calling women that dont back down or that call them out "bitches." Or if a woman reacts in a way they dont like, asking if they've got their period. Just simplistic offensive acts instead of dealing with something.

Sure, it's similar to when women are losing an argument, so they throw the word 'cowardice' at a man, knowing it will strike a nerve. Same same.
 
You're confusing the comment I made.

Women living today who cite abuse of women from centuries ago as justification for hating men, are 'wanting revenge for something that didn't even happen to them'.

No one is hating men, stop being paranoid. And how do you know none of these women haven't been sexually harrassed or assaulted?
 
The civil rights movement was also relevant, since real injustice was being committed.

You think centuries of sexual assault, abuse, and discrimination isn't an injustice? The misogyny is strong in this one.
 
I've been worried that our current national climate of punishing men for sexual harassment would eventual spiral out of control, resulting in women abusing our willingness to listen... and it's happened.

Ansari is a married man, so infidelity is his only wrongdoing here, which I'm sure most of us would agree isn't something the world needs to know about.

We need to stand up and give women like this the collective boot when they try to compare this to sexual assault, which Grace is doing. Otherwise, we risk damaging men's lives who don't deserve it.

To be blunt, if you're a woman who throws herself at a man, then let's him eat you out at his apartment, then denies him any reciprocal exchange... that makes you a lousy date, not a sexual assault victim!

Her consent to receiving oral sex does not imply she wants to give you a blow job. Sheesh.
 
There's no 'war on men,' what a pathetic victim would have to be to claim that.

It's not a surprise or unusual. When the social pendulum swings, it swings back comparable with where it originated. It takes awhile to moderate.

Very sorry good men today might end up suffering the way women have for centuries. I hope that things self-correct soon.


What did todays men have to do with what happened for centuries? How are they responsible for what someone else did. That's really not a good or fair excuse. It's exactly crap like this that put women in the position of not being believed and brushed off in the first place. Gee, thanks "Grace"
 
One anonymous allegation of sexual assault, where the woman is not pressing charges, is things getting "out of control?" Seriously?



Oh, sort of like the way men have ignored and denigrated women who report abuse for pretty much all of human history? Yeah, that worked out well.



Wow. Just... Wow.

Here's her description of events:
https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

If her allegations are true (which is not necessarily the case), then he acted like a ****ing creep to her the second they got into the apartment. She told him to slow down, said no several times, kept dropping hints, and he kept shoving his fingers in her mouth, groping her, and pushing her to do things she didn't want to do. At one point she thought he got the hint, but: Nope, he kept at it. No one, male or female, is obligated to "reciprocate" like you describe, no one "owes" anything on a first date or because you enter their apartment. He was even being aggressive after she told him she wanted to leave.

Ansari hasn't denied the events. He's said he thought it was consensual, and he felt bad about it when she told him how she felt about it.

Is this assault? I'm not sure, and it is an anonymous account. If her description is generally correct, and it isn't assault: It's still very creepy, and right on the line -- especially given that Ansari is supporting Time's Up.

At any rate, the idea that this is some sort of final straw that indicates the end of #MeToo is little more than wishful thinking. Men have pulled this kind of crap (and much worse) for decades, and outing harassers and assaulters is going to go on for some time. You might want to get used to it.

Yeah, sounds like a war on men with comments like you just made.

She NEVER said No, nor did she ****ing leave the apartment. Was that so hard? To just walk out the door? FFS this victim culture is disgusting.
 
So, she's bitching because he was rude? Lol...I have a long list of those.

Lol, not even rude. He apologized, even though he didn't do anything wrong, and bought her an Uber. She's trying to hurt his rep now.
 
Lol, not even rude. He apologized, even though he didn't do anything wrong, and bought her an Uber. She's trying to hurt his rep now.

It comes with the territory. Dating, especially hooking up, comes with risks...to both sides.
 
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